Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

Out of curiosity, what are the typical counters to Infernal Prison/Claws of Cocytus/Leech? The first thing that comes to mind for me is Rain of Stones to kill the blood slaves, but you just know you're going to miss some. The next thing that comes to mind is staying further away than 30 squares, but that has obvious limitations.

-Max

Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

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Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

The most useful counter to them is using lots of cheaper units...or I guess lots of expensive units if you're real rich. Skelispam works well against leech spam (keep your mages out of range). Using high hp decoys (elephants, non-GOR'ed tartarians, abominations, tarasques, etc.) works well against life for a life and go to hell. Killing blood slaves works to

Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

Mind Hunt isn't powerful. Your just having flash-backs to LA Ryleh doing it's insane thing. Giving a nation a recruitable everywhere mage who is S3 and has a good chance of being S4 is overpowered. And then make them ocean and give them easy access to clams. Yeah, that'll do it. It just happens that one of the forms ridicilious clam income takes with nations that have ridicilious astral is excessive mind hunt. That's more a result of player laziness than actual effectiveness.

I had forge.
I had 200 clam astral income per turn.
I 'only' had S2 mages, so the number of 'all powerful' mind hunts I did on what should be the last turn of the game was four. Four.

That's because it takes a cap, and a coin, and at least a spell focus to get that S2 mage up so he can spit out a Hunt. So yeah, it's 'only' two astral pearls. If your LA R'yleh. And Tartanians are 'only' 10 D. And the Demi-Lich, Skull Staff, Skull Face, and the Ring/Robe.

Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

I think that MA Arco, Pythium, Bandar and MA R'lyeh can spam Mind Hunt quite well too. Huge astral income is definitely not required for it.
Yes, it is a good spell but hardly overpowered.

Re: Manifestation is overpowerd.
 

Leech is perhaps king of the 1X spells. Ghost grip and frozen heart are also excellent, but leech stands out because it's surrounded by mostly crappy or hard to use blood battle magic.

Speaking of tests
 

How do you guys test things easily / conveniently.

I usually (always) beat SP before it gets out of early game.... so I really don't know about manifestation etc.

Easy way to set research levels etc?

Re Argitoth
 

Rant On:

Frankly, I am rather disgusted with the attitude of most of the vets here.

When you go from attacking a players position, to attacking a player, I think *you're* out of line.

Its a game people.

And frankly, its posts like Args.. that challenge conventional wisdom that lets new things be discovered.

When players say things like .. 'thank god he's leaving' first I don't think it has any place in a thread; second moderators shouldn't tolerate that crap; third - how would you feel if that talk were about you.

And I'll close with the words of Donne or Locke or bacon or whoever. "Every man's death diminishes me, because I am involved with mankind, therefore, never seek to know for whom the bell tolls... it tolls for thee."

Dominions is not so big that it can afford small mindedness, nor so popular that it should drive away the unpopular.

Everyone of you, everyone of us.. has personality quirks just as onerous as Argitoths. And a little more tolerance really is the order of the day.

Rant Off.

Re: Speaking of tests
 

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Re: Speaking of tests
 

chrispedersen, I do not particularly want to see Argitoth gone, but I do think he
is annoying. He is by no means one of the players with the greatest experience,
but he keeps posting about "overpowered" tactics... and the ones that he
advances as such are no more powerful than a dozen of others that he has simply
not encountered yet. Add to this the fact that he cannot be convinced that he
is wrong, and it is not surprising people get upset. Oh, and he keeps saying
that he is leaving. I'm sorry, but everyone who is too good for us and our game
is not making any friends.

On the other hand, his abrasive posts do create useful discussions. I have
learned a few things myself as a result of his proclamations. I would rather
have him around than not, but I cannot blame others for flaming him.

What I think Argitoth needs is to play a lot more, and learn that there are
hundreds of 'overpowered' tactics, and they all sort of balance each other.
Well, all but MoD which is really overpowered... Now excuse me while I go
whine and ***** somewhere where no one hears me.