Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

Well ... as has been shown again and again ... there's no such thing as an invulnerable system. And not being invulnerable hardly means useless. A PzKpfz II (the WW II light tank with a 20mm) would be an absolute terror on a battlefield that lacks any sort anti-armor weapons.

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

As one of the end game screen messages says........
......and if go by youtube videos there seems to be a plethora of AT weapons in Syria ATM......and cameras recording their use

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

According to this site: http://e-amyna.com/%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%B...B%CE%B5%CE%B9/

...the confirmed casualties from the Turkish army's sources are (given in the following format):

Date
Event
Personnel casualties with approximate US rank(*notes conscripts)


1)Aug-28-16
M60A3TTS hit in Al-Amarneh, Jarablus
Sergeant (Armor) Ercan Chelik + 3 wounded

2)Aug-30-16
M60A3TTS hit in Killyah, Western Jarablus
4 wounded

3) Sep-6-16
2 M-60Ts hit in Wuquf, Al-Rai
Sergeant (Armor) Muhammed Koshan, Sergeant (Armor) Ziya Oezkozanoolu, Sergeant (Armor) Osman Karakush, Sergeant (Armor) Akif Gules + 4 wounded

4) Sep-9-16
M60T hit in Al-Rai
Sergeant(Armor) Burak Turkoolu, Corporal (Armor) Burak Karakoch, Sergant (Armor) Halil Gedik +1 wounded

5) Sep-18-16
Mine clearing vehicle hit
no casualties

6) Sep-20-16
Premature detonation of mine
Staff Sergeant (Engineers) Bayram Kara, Sergeant(Engineers) Burak Uchar

7) Sep-27-16
UAV attack in Wuquf, Al-Rai
3 wounded

8) Oct-5-16
Firefight in Ziraya
Corporal (Infantry) Ali Goelge + 3 wounded

9) Oct-6-16
Mortar fire, 2 M60Ts hit in Akhtarin
Captain (SF) Alper Kocaman + 3 wounded

10) Nov-13-16
Unidentified tank hit in Hazwan

11) Nov-16-16
Unidentified tank hit in Kadiran

12) Nov-19-16
Accident with causes unknown
Private(artillery) Oouz Demir*

13) Nov-23-16
Unidentified tank hit NW of Al-Bab

14)Nov-24-16
Air Strike
1st Lieutenant(SF) Zafer Er, Staff Sergeant (SF) Halit Topuz, , Staff Sergeant (SF) Erdal Bolat, Sergeant Melih Oezcan +10 wounded

15) Nov-25-16
Firefight in Al-Bab
Sergeant (Infantry) Kader Acar +3 wounded

16)Nov-28-16
M60T Sabra hit

17)Dec-7-16
VBIED vs. M60T and ACV-300 near Al-Bab
Sergeant(Commando) Ahmed Shahin+6 wounded

18)Dec-11-16
Leo-2A4 hit W of Al-Bab, VBIED in Zurzur
Unspecified number of wounded

19)Dec-12-16
2 Leo-2A4s hit W of Al-Bab
Unspecified number of wounded, loss of vision for Corporal Abdulkadir Dirmilli

20)Dec-16-16
M60T and Cobra hit in Aqeel hill, Al-Bab
1st Sergeant(SF) Volkan Kulekchi + 1 wounded

21)Dec-19-16
VBIED in Al-Bab
Corporal (Infantry) Fatih Olcay + 5 wounded

22)Dec-21/22-16
Leo-2A4s hit, AIFV-AFV, Kirpi APC, firefight and 3 VBIED attacks. Loss of flag and materiel for the 1st Commando Brigade W of Al-Bab
Major(SF) Bulent Albayrak, Staff Sergeant(artillery) Oender Pinar, Sergeant(Infantry) Akien Acar, Sergeant(Infantry) Oktay Durak, Sergeant(SF) Ferhat Demir, Staff Sergeant(commando) Goektan Oezupek, 1st Sergeant(infantry) Oemercan Yekebaacie, Sergeant(infantry) Mehmet Koekkaya, Sergeant(SF) Osman Chelik, Sergeant(commando) Burak Boz, Sergeant Hasan Kavuz, Corporal Ali Yielmaz, Sergeant Ali Sezai Yalchien, Sergeant(Armor) Oekkes Karaca, Staff Sergeant (SF air force) Furkan Yavash, Sergeant (SF air force) Okan Altieparmak, Corporal Mehmet Unal, Sergeant Ramazan Karaza, Corporal(commando) Muhammad Borzaslan +33 wounded

In addition to these, 2 POWs (Fethi Shahin, serving in intelligence services of Jandarma and Sefter Tash, conscript soldier of Kurdish background) were executed by ISIS.

In the original source there are videos and photos in every event.

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

Well, looking at the number of crewmen killed vs wounded one would assume the vast majority of those tank kills aren't catastrophic, simply because if they were there would be more dead. A mobility (or other such "out of action") kill is usually repairable so it's hardly a destroyed tank.

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

I assume the UAV and Air Strike hits are friendly fire?

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

I'm not sure about the UAV strike, but the air strike was conducted by the Russian air force. Accidentally or "accidentally"...

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

It seems to me that the arms trade & covert supply of arms seems to be booming, and there not just getting the oudated stuff anymore.
Hezbollah for example seem to have drones now to direct missile attacks. I would not be surprised to find some terrorist groups have more ATGMs than some of the smaller European countries armies do.

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

Judging what you can find on youtube, you may be correct

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

There are plenty of videos showing untrained "users" scoring hits with ATGMs but none showing the misses. I wonder how many are fired and miss / are countered?

OR is it really that easy to kill a MBT?

Re: Leo2A4 destroyed
 

Killing an MBT, with a modern anti tank missile probably is relatively easy, if the crew are poorly trained or not alert and the tank either lacks supporting troops, or those troops are poorly trained or not alert.

Also who knocked out the Turkish tanks. My understanding is that the Turks are much more interested in fighting the Kurds than the so called 'Islamic State' types? From what I have seen and read of the Kurdish Peshmerga fighters they seem to be pretty switched on.