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I think the world will survive with the collaplse of the the us economy...

The 'pie' is changing... USA's slice is decreasing while other countries slice is increasing.

The world is not in a recession. USA is in a recession.

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I'm speaking as an american minority whose has been poor and went days without eating, no electricity and running water?

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
Jesus said that His church was not a building, but the people. The church is comprised of the people who believe in Jesus as the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, the Mosaic law, and the earlier Messianic promises, and follow his commands and teachings. However, there is a practical need for a meeting place. In the early church days, people met in the homes of fellow believers. Roman persecution drove the church underground (often literally). After the legalization of Christianity, churches once again met in the open. When Constantine married the church and the Roman state, Christianity became somewhat of a fad among the Roman elite, who had previously been steeped in pagan tradition. They saw ornate buildings as a vital part of worship. The tradition of large, ornate church buildings can be traced back to this time. Modern churches generally fall into one of two camps: 1) Size and opulence are the way to go; or 2) Spend enough to get the building you need, and do it well, but not to excess. [edit] I guess there is a third group, the "whatever we can come up with is good enough for God." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

A Christian cannot be defined as one who goes to church or one who prays (although a Christian will do these things). A Christian is one who 1) accepts that Jesus died for the sins of the world, fulfilling the law, and for his own sins, individually. They should 2) accept the authority of the Bible over man's word and tradition, and they should 3) try to conform their life to the principles found in the Bible. Many who believe 1) don't accept 2) and live in direct contradiction to 3); according to the Bible, they are still technically Christians, but they don't live out their faith.

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What is a little known fact is that the early Christians did their own share of persecuting. Only, it was against their own kind.

When Constantine "married" the Christian church and the state in the early 4th century, he wanted a unified religion under which he could govern his empire.

So, he convened the Council of Nicea and the debate started on whether Jesus was:
1) totally divine
2) totally humane
3) part divine, part human.

Basically, there were 2 major camps, totally divine and totally humane. With some in between.

Eventually, they decided he was totally humane and totally divine. IMHO, this was a political decision. Everybody got what they supposedly wanted.

But one sect of Christianity, the Nestorians who lived in Asia, didn't accept the Nicene Creed. They believed Jesus was human and not divine.

This sect was persecuted and eventually went underground. With varying degrees of persecution, they lived this way down through the centuries.

Then Mohammed came onto the scene. I suspect many Nestorians joined Mohammed along with the tribes of the area who had a wide range of tribal gods.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and not divine.

Main stream Muslims have a high regard for Christ, Mary and other Biblical figures. More to the point, they claim they were derived from Abraham as do the Jews and Christians.

There are some interesting stats which gives one pause to think. For example, the Koran mentions Jesus's mother, "Mary", more often than the Bible does.

But, of course, the question of Christ's divinity divides our religions.

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If the U.S. economy was to collapse that would hurt almost if not all countries on the globe. The only countries that would not be effected would be countries that had no dependence on U.S. imports/exports, no stock in U.S. companies, no U.S. stockholders(people/corporations), receives no type of U.S. aid and no financial/political relations with any country that did. Which country is that?

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Originally posted by metro637:
If the U.S. economy was to collapse that would hurt almost if not all countries on the globe. The only countries that would not be effected would be countries that had no dependence on U.S. imports/exports, no stock in U.S. companies, no U.S. stockholders(people/corporations), receives no type of U.S. aid and no financial/political relations with any country that did. Which country is that?

IMHO, all countries would be affected eventually. The ones that didn't trade with the U.S. do trade with countries that do.

So, while they may not be immediately affected, they will eventually be affected by the downturn in the economies of the nations they traded with.

EDIT: The countries will buy less from the "secluded" country which will cause a balance of payment problem resulting in the "secluded" country from buying less and resulting in a downturn of their economy.

Of course, this ignores the psychological implications which may have a role in speeding up the downturn of the country that doesn't trade with the U.S.

If I had to guess on the country, I would have to say "The vatican" which is an independant state within Italy.

However, it too may be affected as the donations it eventually receives from the individuals who live in the other countries can be expected to decrease.

[ February 13, 2003, 21:05: Message edited by: tbontob ]

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Originally posted by Andr&eacutes Lescano:
[QB]But it was made to sound so sweet back then.
Privatizations would give us more efficient services. Relatively small and weak local companies fusioned themselves with large multi-national ones.
Little did we know that all infrastructure and resources of those companies bought below their real price was just being emptied and sent back to the new owners home.

To be fair I must say that this was not only done by American companies but also by many european ones.
The great companies that control the world has grown beyond nationalities and here the �great power from the north� is most times associated with the USA.

Exchange rates were against us, our goods were too expensive and imported goods looked cheap. We were suffering a severe de-industrialization, exporting flour and importing cookies.
But we were too busy with all cheap imported goods we didn't have before that we didn't see it.
�welcome to the 1rst world� they said, and we were stupid enough to believe.
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Well the same sort of thing happened here in California with out of state power companies. We deregulated the power industry and all of sudden their were power shortages in the state when all that was really happening was speculation. The power industry was manufacturing shortages to drive up prices.

A lot of people here believe that govt just gets in the way and so are against regulations. Ironically - at least in this forum - some middle class and lower class (at least that's what they've professed) are against govt regulations when they are the very ones one who these regulations protect (rich people don't need protection they can afford to pay for their own services). Argentina and (power in California)is a perfect example of what can happen when "govt gets out of the way so business people can do business".

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Many westerners fall into the trap of confusing "Christian" with "religious" because Christianity is so dominant amongst western cultures.[/QB]

I think all westerners are christians, wether they actualy practice Christianism or not. What I mean is that Western culture is a by product of Christianism, so their mindset is Christian, and so their values, understanding of the world, and even their business practices.
I don't belive there is such a thing as Human Culture, and the people that belive that do so because they think that everybody in the rest of the world think like they do.
I have found very diferents ways of thinking around the world, as well as diferents concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, justice and injustice.

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Originally posted by rextorres:
Argentina and (power in California)is a perfect example of what can happen when "govt gets out of the way so business people can do business".[/QB]

Hey, all that its nothing more than Corpcrimes.
We should declare war on all corporations.
They only destroy small business and pay low salaries. And when the Corp's stocks are in free fall the big stockholders bail out thanks to inside information and the little ones lost even their lunch money.

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Originally posted by rextorres:
Argentina and (power in California)is a perfect example of what can happen when "govt gets out of the way so business people can do business".

I don't know anything about Argentina, but California I do. Rex I'll say this for you. You are consistant. Wrong, but consistant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The problem with the California power companies wasn't a lack of regulation, it was half regulation. They relaxed some of the rules aboout production and distribution, but kept the artificial price limits for residential power customers. That's a good way in the short term to get votes, but it's not exactly a good way to do business.

Geoschmo

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crud. Rex, I accidentally hit edit instead of quote on your post. And since I am a moderator it let me do it. Can you edit it again and put what you said again. Sorry.

Geo

[ February 13, 2003, 23:35: Message edited by: geoschmo ]