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Aloofi, I find that experience surprising. In my experience, the kind of people who take enough interest in foreign affairs to have an opinion on the israeli/ palestinian issue other than "damned if I know" or "leave 'em all to it" are generally intelligent and informed enough to realise that the average israeli has little to do with any palestinian persecution and is probably even opposed to it. They would certainly be aware of the hypocrisy of automatically labelling all Israelis as discriminatory.

Of course you tend to word your opinions rather more strongly than most...

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Originally posted by Loser:
This is terribly off topic, and even off the off-topic topic, but the words just seemed to line up in my mind, ready for the keyboard. It seems I am inspired. Inspired to make a fool of myself.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh no, you are absolutely right.
Every time we see in a movie 2 characters talking, we are not seing 2 people talking, but the script writter talking with himself.

We learn by imitation, and in movies the characters with whom we identify are put in situations in which their reactions are teaching us how to react when a similar situation happens in our lives.

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
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Of course you tend to word your opinions rather more strongly than most...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because I don't see a peace movement on the other side of the green line, nor the will to create a peacefull co-operation.
I see the Palestinian media poisoning the mind of their youths with anti-israeli/anti-semite propaganda, thus making sure the new generations will not want to live in peace.
I see the Palestinians saying one thing in english, and the exact opposite in Arabic, and I see the western media turning a blind eye to this.
I also see how the western powers are trying to create a Palestinian State without an enforced peace treaty.

I don't even feel like discussing the Middle East peace no more.
Its doomed from the very begining. I have no hope at all. The mistakes from Oslo are being repeated all over again.

I'll tell you what's gonna happen:
1-The western powers are going to force Israel to accept the creation of an hostile Palestinian State 9 km from Tel Aviv and 25 from Haifa.
2- The Palestinians will not see the new state as a diplomatic agreement they are bound to, but as a military victory over Israel.
3- The Palestinians will partially cease their attacks on Israel for 6 years, in which they will arm themselves for the 3rd and final Intifada. I say partially because Hamas will continue their attacks, and Israel will not be able to respond.
4- The Palestinian will start their final intifada around 2009.
5- Israel will respond.
6- The Arabs countries will intervine.
7- Israel will defeat them, or Israel will be destroyed, and the Jewish population will be exterminated, as promised by the Palestinian political and religious leaders.

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mistake

[ May 08, 2003, 18:29: Message edited by: oleg ]

[Edit: courtesy]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:42: Message edited by: Loser ]

Aloofi:
You need to get out and meet more people. Most people do not think of Israelis as you have painted them.

[ May 08, 2003, 18:54: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Edit: double]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:44: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Edit: Pointless. I need sleep.]

[ May 08, 2003, 18:45: Message edited by: Loser ]

yah, so Isreali and (the putative) Palestinian states aside...

... I felt like I was pretty even tempered, respectful and moderate in the Iraqi thread(s), but even I took a beating in the "Ratings". Oh well, I guess all that really matters is that I had agreed with certain individuals opinions, and how I presented myself evidently was secondary.

It's interesting to note that nearly everyone who participated in that thread lost considerable "votes". I guess if someone's to have an opinion they either take the hit, or turn off their rating.

Wow, 4 deleted Posts. Did I miss much ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aloofi:
The gun is still in there somewhere but I'm not gonna bother with checking out 80+ pages to find it. It was not the gun itself, but our little conversation afterwards and the fact you ignored my request to remove it that p.. me off. BTW; The whole little incident was before you flagged your Israeli orgins (still Saroman, living "anywhere but Europe" IIRC), so you can't blame it on me beeing anti Israeli.

Anyway; Its ancient history now and I have had my little rant, so you won't hear more of this from me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Jimbob:
I remember Your Posts in the Iraqi-thread as very thoughtfull and nicely presented, even though I dissagreed with many. Why someone would give a low rating based on those Posts are beyond me.