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Master Belisarius December 25th, 2004 10:28 AM

Re: Only You Can Save The AI!
 
Space Vikings vs Verduran.
The Verduran won at the turn 240.
It was a somewhat easy game for them... and then, got the second place for the next round.

Alneyan December 25th, 2004 07:18 PM

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Hmm, I like your suggestion about these AIs. I need some training in handling pressure early on in the game. As you may recall, Gecko had me very worried in our 2vs2 game, but I fared much better afterwards. The same happened in our own KOTH game: you let me build up, and faced the wrath of the Economist in me. Of course, I still lost most battles in our game, but won the major ones (when defending my wormholes). That seems to be one of my annoying habits...

So, you should hope for Asmala to defeat Rex before time is up then, and you will become King once he leaves. Doesn't that sound nice? It is fairly unlikely though, so sharpen your sword, ready your spells, and crush Rex. He is a mighty player early on, or so I am told. Even Primitive had trouble with him, and Primitive... well, he isn't exactly the weakest of all of us. Cross your fingers, and hope Asmala will fare better!

The comment about AIs was merely propaganda to disarm any... caution humans might have towards us. They should believe we are weaklings, unable to think for ourselves. I can safely tell you my scheme, for I will hold power once you are crowned. Power! And do not even think of crossing me, who stands by your side, the schemer whispering in your ear. Erh... I should have switched my Machiavelli impersonation off I guess.

Master Belisarius December 26th, 2004 12:34 AM

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Alneyan said:
Hmm, I like your suggestion about these AIs. I need some training in handling pressure early on in the game.


Yep. It can be challenging, even for experienced players,(but of course that with these game settings, the AI has an incredible advantage!).

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Alneyan said:
The same happened in our own KOTH game: you let me build up, and faced the wrath of the Economist in me. Of course, I still lost most battles in our game, but won the major ones (when defending my wormholes). That seems to be one of my annoying habits...


It was a good game. And think you played better than me, and for this reason, you won.

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Alneyan said:
So, you should hope for Asmala to defeat Rex before time is up then, and you will become King once he leaves. Doesn't that sound nice? It is fairly unlikely though, so sharpen your sword, ready your spells, and crush Rex. He is a mighty player early on, or so I am told. Even Primitive had trouble with him, and Primitive... well, he isn't exactly the weakest of all of us. Cross your fingers, and hope Asmala will fare better!


Maybe you can't believe me, but would prefer to play (and probably lose) with Asmala. At the end, he's a true legend in SE4... Is the guy that everybody wants to defeat! hehehe Just like I was in the SE3 times!

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Alneyan said:
The comment about AIs was merely propaganda to disarm any... caution humans might have towards us. They should believe we are weaklings, unable to think for ourselves. I can safely tell you my scheme, for I will hold power once you are crowned. Power! And do not even think of crossing me, who stands by your side, the schemer whispering in your ear. Erh... I should have switched my Machiavelli impersonation off I guess.

Oh well... maybe it's a professional deformation... but I think the current AIs aren't smartest than a virus!
Of course I could be wrong!

Master Belisarius December 26th, 2004 12:37 AM

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Earth Alliance vs CueCappa.

The Earth Alliance won by points at the turn 500. They controled more systems, but specially, they had a better resource management.

Then, the EA finished second in the group, and got the other place to be in the next round.

Alneyan December 26th, 2004 10:37 AM

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Well, I beat you on economics in this game, and carefully lost most battles, but the intelligence weapon is powerful when combined with Stellar Manipulation for optimal targetting. I should be glad SEIV is a forgiving game for the poor general in me.

I would much rather defeat Primitive myself (or perhaps Roanon), and of course the usual suspects (anybody having defeated me in the past). I must say I am not so impressed with Asmala; of course, I only played two games with him on board, so. One of these is Pairs, wherein Primitive is taking on the whole galaxy on his own, and I merely wield his fan. The other was a modded game where I actually had the upper hand; I glassed *one* of his planets, losing fifty ships in the process, but he glassed none of mine. Doesn't that make me the winner? Ah, perhaps not.

Hmm, it seems like I have go on a wild tangent again. When do you plan to do the Human Deathmatch Belisarius? Throwing Asmala, Primitive, Rex, Stone Mill, the Lithuanian team and a few more players in the same arena should be fun. For us of course, who will be watching the bloodbath.

Master Belisarius December 27th, 2004 06:01 PM

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Pyrochette vs Khrel.

The Pyrochette won at the turn 450 and got the second place in the group.
It was another marathon game... more than 24 hours!

Master Belisarius December 27th, 2004 06:04 PM

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Here the standings after the round 3:

Group C1
United Flora 4
Narn Regime 2
Toron 0

Group C2
Tessellate 4
Verduran 3
Space Vikings 1

Group C3
Fazrah 4
Earth Alliance 2
CueCappa 0

Group C4
Aquilaeian 4
Pyrochette 2
Khrel 0

The first 2 Ai's of each group, are in the next round.
Then, here the Groups for the fourth round:

GROUP D1
United Flora
Verduran
Fazrah
Pyrochette

GROUP D2
Tessellate
Narn Regime
Aquilaeian
Earth Alliance

I'll play 6 games for each AI, and the first 3 AI's of each group, will be in the next round.

Master Belisarius December 28th, 2004 11:12 PM

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United Flora vs Verduran
The United Flora won by points, at the turn 500.
It was a somewhat balanced game, and the Verudran offered a good challenge and the UF was unable to kill them.

By the way, the Verduran use many of the UF scripts, and basically are an United Flora Version, but without Deeply Religious.

Master Belisarius December 28th, 2004 11:12 PM

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Tessellate vs Narn Regime.
The Tessellate won without problems, at the turn 230.

Timstone December 29th, 2004 08:34 AM

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The battle between the Narns and the EA will be an interesting one. I'm looking forward to it.

Master Belisarius December 29th, 2004 06:49 PM

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Timstone said:
The battle between the Narns and the EA will be an interesting one. I'm looking forward to it.

They already fought...it was during the Second Round, group B5.
In both games the AIs signed a Military Alliance and kept it until the turn 500... and the Narn won both games by points.

Must say it was... boring!

Master Belisarius December 29th, 2004 06:51 PM

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Fazrah vs Pyrochette.
The Pyrochette defeated the Fazrah at the turn 400.

Captain Kwok December 29th, 2004 11:37 PM

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One suggestion I'd offer for a future AI deathmatch is that you prevent the AIs from forming treaties.

Timstone December 30th, 2004 05:28 AM

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About the Narns EA game:
Damn! Already forgot about it, because the high boredom factor...

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 09:56 PM

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Captain Kwok said:
One suggestion I'd offer for a future AI deathmatch is that you prevent the AIs from forming treaties.

Sound like a good suggestion. But will be forced to modiffy the Politics.txt and change the "Highest Allowed Treaty".

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 09:57 PM

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Timstone said:
About the Narns EA game:
Damn! Already forgot about it, because the high boredom factor...

hehehe, no problem! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And.... think it will be boring again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 09:58 PM

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Aquilaeian vs Earth Alliance.

The Aquilaeian defeated the Earth Alliance at the turn 390.

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 09:59 PM

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United Flora vs Fazrah.
The United Flora defeated the Fazrah at the turn 400.

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 10:16 PM

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1 Attachment(s)
For those people that want to know the results in the others AI Deathmatches, I'm posing here the Excel's files.
Here the results in the first AI Deathmatch.

Master Belisarius December 30th, 2004 10:20 PM

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1 Attachment(s)
Here the results for the second AI Deathmatch.

Kamog December 30th, 2004 11:00 PM

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Thank you, Master Belisarius, for doing all this work on testing the A.I.'s.
Now I know which A.I.'s to include in my next game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Master Belisarius January 1st, 2005 01:49 AM

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Kamog said:
Thank you, Master Belisarius, for doing all this work on testing the A.I.'s.
Now I know which A.I.'s to include in my next game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm glad do you think it's useful!
By the way, HAPPY NEW YEAR to everybody!

Master Belisarius January 1st, 2005 01:51 AM

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Tessellate vs Aquilaeian.
As expected, the Tessellate had not big problems to defeat the Aquilaeian. They won at the turn 320.

Verduran vs Pyrochette.
The Verduran defeated the Pyrochette fairly fast, at the turn 240.

Master Belisarius January 1st, 2005 09:04 AM

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Narn Regime vs Earth Alliance.
Like the other games, both races signed a Military Alliance and the Narn won by points at the turn 500 (although this time, the EA was somewhat close in the numbers).

Master Belisarius January 1st, 2005 03:27 PM

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Pyrochette vs United Flora.
The United Flora won at the turn 280.

To me, is pretty obvious that the United Flora will be in the Finals... and the Tessellate probably will be the other.

Master Belisarius January 2nd, 2005 04:23 PM

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Earth Alliance vs Tessellate.
The Tessellate won at the turn 210.

Master Belisarius January 2nd, 2005 04:24 PM

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Verduran vs Fazrah.
The Verduran won at the turn 340.

Master Belisarius January 2nd, 2005 04:26 PM

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Narn Regime vs Aquilaeian.
The Aquilaeian won at the turn 290.

Master Belisarius January 2nd, 2005 04:28 PM

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Already have played the half of the games of this round.
Here the standings:

GROUP D1
United Flora 3
Verduran 2
Fazrah 0
Pyrochette 1

GROUP D2
Tessellate 3
Narn Regime 1
Aquilaeian 2
Earth Alliance 0

Master Belisarius January 2nd, 2005 11:36 PM

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Verduran vs United Flora.
The United Flora defeated the Verdurans at the turn 320.

Master Belisarius January 3rd, 2005 07:56 PM

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Narn Regime vs Tessellate.
The Tessellate won without problems, at the turn 220.

Timstone January 4th, 2005 04:53 AM

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We're comming near the end now. Only a few more rounds and the ultimate AI will be known.
Which races won the first two deathmatches?

Fyron January 4th, 2005 05:23 AM

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MB has the results of the first 2 death matches in his signature.

Timstone January 4th, 2005 05:33 AM

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Woops, must be the lack of tea... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Master Belisarius January 4th, 2005 06:21 PM

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Woops, must be the lack of tea... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Scotch on the rocks it's like the Iced Tea? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Master Belisarius January 4th, 2005 06:23 PM

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Pyrochette vs Fazrah.
The Pyrochette won by points at the turn 500.
It was another marathon game...

Master Belisarius January 4th, 2005 06:25 PM

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Earth Alliance vs Aquilaeian.
The Aquilaeian won without big problems, at the turn 370.

Blade W January 4th, 2005 07:59 PM

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It seems this will be the fall of the Fazrah Empire. BTW this is better result than the previous.

Master Belisarius January 4th, 2005 09:24 PM

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Blade W said:
It seems this will be the fall of the Fazrah Empire.


Yes... right now they only could win 1 game (I'm running the game against the UF and they're going to lose...).

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Blade W said:
BTW this is better result than the previous.


Agree! In the previous edition they reached the place 9, and this time they will be in the place 7th. But also, this time they won their group in the rounds 2 and 3.

Master Belisarius January 5th, 2005 06:20 PM

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Fazrah vs United Flora.
The UF won at the turn 220.

Aquilaeian vs Tessellate.
The Tessellate won at the turn 260.

Fyron January 5th, 2005 06:28 PM

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Master Belisarius said:
Aquilaeian vs Tessellate.
The Tessellate won at the turn 260.

Sad to see your namesake fall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Perhaps you need to strengthen them a bit?

Master Belisarius January 5th, 2005 08:51 PM

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Aquilaeian vs Tessellate.
The Tessellate won at the turn 260.

Sad to see your namesake fall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Perhaps you need to strengthen them a bit?

hehehe, don't think would be possible because the UF and the Tessellate are so far the best AIs... and specially the Tessellate has more advantage against the Aquilaeian thanks the Skip Armor weapons + the Talisman.

Anyway, think the Aquilaeian would need a touch because they're very weak in the Intelligence field.

Master Belisarius January 6th, 2005 08:37 AM

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Pyrochette vs Verdurans.
The Verdurans killed the Pyrochette at the turn 500.

I think the Verdurans will get the 3rd place, thanks his many and massive fleets with cheap (and weak) Organic ships.

Although this approach works very well fighting other AIs, I have doubts if it works with humans....
Somebody has played against the Verdurans?

Master Belisarius January 6th, 2005 06:42 PM

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United Flora vs Pyrochette.
The United Flora won without problems, at the turn 270.

Master Belisarius January 7th, 2005 06:23 PM

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Tessellate vs Earth Alliance.
The Tessellate defeated the EA, at the turn 270, and like the UF won their group without problems.

Fazrah vs Verduran.
The Verduran won by points at the turn 500.
This time, the Fazrah offered a very interesting challenge, using many Intel Projects. But at the end they controled less systems than the Verdurans and lost the game.

Master Belisarius January 8th, 2005 11:36 AM

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Aquilaeian vs Narn Regime.
The Aquilaeian won by points, at the turn 500 (the Narn only controled one system).

Master Belisarius January 8th, 2005 11:40 AM

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The Fourth Round has been finished... Here the standings:

Group D1
United Flora 6
Verduran 4
Pyrochette 2
Fazrah 0

Group D2
Tessellate 6
Aquilaeian 4
Narn Regime 2
Earth Alliance 0

Here the Groups for the Fifth Round:

Group E1
United Flora
Aquilaeian
Pyrochette

Group E2
Tessellate
Verduran
Narn Regime

Each AI will play 4 games and the first two of each group, will reach the Semi-Final.

I'm pretty sure the Pyrochette and Narn Regime will be unable to reach the next round... but of course that first I need to run the games! hehehehe

Master Belisarius January 9th, 2005 02:32 PM

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United Flora vs Aquilaeian.
The United Flora won at the turn 450. The Aquilaeian offered a decent challenge, but the more numerous UF fleets did the difference.

Master Belisarius January 9th, 2005 09:01 PM

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Tessellate vs Verduran
The Tessellate won without big problems, at the turn 260.
They had some problems in the early game (due the Colony bug), but when the DN and BA comes, the game was decided very fast to their side.

Master Belisarius January 10th, 2005 10:17 PM

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United Flora vs Pyrochette.
The United Flora won at the turn 360.

Tessellate vs Narn Regime.
The Tessellate won at the turn 290.


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