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Sadly yes, but it really really really should have ended after Anubis. And Atlantis should have never been made.

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Bah, I think SG-1 was/is still a hell of a lot better than most of the trash found on TV today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

As for Atlantis...I think I agree with you there, it's mediocre at best.

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BSG needs more battles, make some crazy Viper x Rider dogfights with one or two baseships thrown in and i´ll be happy...

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Atlantis lost me as a member of the audience once I saw the red/yellow/blue uniform color coding they use.

I also think SG1 hung around too long, btw. MGM only intended it for 5 seasons, but when scifi offered to pickup the bill and pay a hefty royalty, who was MGM to refuse?


hopping back a bit,
RDM has said in a few interviews that he's felt extremely strained writing more than 3 episodes in a row, and often points to the bad filler episodes as evidence of that. I think he said he wrote the first five episodes this season back to back and burned out on it. He gave kudos to JMS for his ability to write that whole season of b5 on his own.

Now tv guide had an interview with Eick, talking about the future of the show, the movie, and caprica. He said the movie is an almost certainty, and it's pickup will most likely green-light caprica as well. and as for bsg, he feels 13 episodes is best -- but scifi may give them 7 more to wrap up storylines.

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They should encounter a vortex that allows them to jump back in time to hours just before the cylon attack. To Pycon base or something. Where they manage to steel one or more supply ships, constructions ships, and even a couple light cruisers or somethings. Hell even a carrier would be great. They then use the vortex to jump to just after the attack and they save hundreds of civilian ships and even evacuate a few planets. Then they hit the cylons hard, they take out the cyclon home world thus leaving the cylons with only the few resurrection ships they have and whatever basestars they might have deployed. When they find Earth, have it complete baron of life say for one man. They find in sitting at a desk in a buried building attending to a computer that he must enter a clock reset code into every 11 hours. If he fails, the universe ends. His name is Dr. Loren Darma.

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Ok, that last bit was just weird, but seriously, a vortex? The biggest thing BSG has going for it is the lack of such Star Trek-style silliness.
For a proper ending, something along the lines of, they finally find Earth and Earth happens to have a big *** fleet which promptly wipes out the whole lot of them. Why? Because they're Cylons. That'd work for me.

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What does a vortex have to do with Star Trek? You lost me Zero. A better ending would be they arrive at earth only to find it overrun with cylons and they have just enough time to kiss their asses good bye before they are blown out of the stars once and for all.

Go Cylons!

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OBTW - When the semi blond Cylon, the one with the death wish that kept killing herself to meet God, finally met one of the final cyclon versions, she apologized and said that She had no idea. Wanna place bets on who that mysterious cylon was?

My money is on Adama. Right man in the right place at the right time. Accused of being a cylon by a cylon, and was specifically targeted by the cylon's after he had Boomer blow up that basestar orbiting Cobolt. Adama had left his wife, something a cylon impostor would do, distance yourself from those who know you best. He was in the area of cylon space running covert missions when a pilot of his was captured. Do you think he would have just left that man behind? He also knew that the first human cylon he encountered was a cylon whereas no one else did. How did he know that? Devinne intuition? No, he is a cylon. There are other examples but I am too tired to list them. Besides I must find my cat and put him out side less I end up with a repeat of last night. I am still picking up the mess.

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Suspiciously convieniet space-time phonomena as a plot device are a Star Trek staple. Also, BSG tries to stay vaguely scientifically plausable, and that doesn't include time travel. Sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

Someone we've never heard of before. If it's a known character, it's Baltar. Frankly, though, the device of having one of the cast members turn out to be a Cylon has already been used back in the miniseries, and it'd be strained for them to use it again. To hear some of the fan speculation back before the revalations about the Cylons this season, you'd think the Galactica must've been the most heavily inflitrated Battlestar in the fleet.

And anyway, Adama can't be a cylon has he is older than their entire race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

Because he was commader. The Cylon's don't know who the final five are, so they can't have been targeting him for that reason.

Kobol. :p

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It's Romo Lumpkin, baltar's lawyer. Other cylons that said their back story have always indicated their parents died at a young age and such. Romo did the same thing.

As for an ending, how about no ending. a big showdown with the cylons with an open ending as the fleet jumps away, blindly.

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I made the argument that he had been replaced. The crazy chick cylon specifically apologiesed to someone for all the harm they had caused, that she didn't know he was a cylon. The cylon who is in love with Kara stated that Adama was a cylon. One of his missions PUT him near cylon space. He was the one who came up with the lets Find Earth scenario. It was his battlestar, that survived. He chose not to continue to fight but to run. And it was the boomer cylon who tried to kill him after he ordered her to blow up a basestar full of Boomer's. And don't forget Baltars cylon detector and how he reacted to the testing of people.

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Vortexes (thus far) in BSG = 0
Vortexes in Star Wars = 0
Vortexes in Firefly = 0
Vortexes in Stargate = 0 (or 1 if you want to be picky)
Vortexes in Star Trek = .... Lots and lots and lots and lots. Also lots of time travel.

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Ok so we call it something else. I still don't see why your trying to compare it to star trek. Hell Star Trek has something like 400 episodes so ya, they pretty much covered the God damned spectrum of names for time distortions and such. And for the record, what BSG is doing isn't really all that new. And BSG's producer is an ex-star trek writer/producer.

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I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with which word you use to describe the phenomena.
Because these sorts of phenomena are everywhere in Star Trek.
That is what I have the problem with. The whole 'Gee whiz, things didn't work out for us this time, but golly, look there's a swirly thing out in space. Let's all go through it and try again.' And if they only did it once or twice, I wouldn't have really minded but they did it all the time, so much so that to me, such contrivances as little swirly spots that pop up out of nowhere and let you go back to the exact moment required to change an unfavourable outcome have become indelibly linked to Star Trek.
Never said it was.
Good to see someone learned something from Trek.

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I found a bunch of spoilers on one of the rumour sites I follow about the end of season, you know if perhaps people want to know. It may be true or it might be likely rubbish but it includes who 4 of the other cylon models are.

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Meh, we've never seen any evidence they've been doing that.

Why would she apologise to Adama, if he was a cylon working for them? And if he's not working for them, but working for the Final Five who have a seperate adgenda, why all the speculation about the decisions Adama's made that supposedly help the Cylons?

EDIT: also a nitpick; she didn't apologise for all the harm caused, she just apologised for something without saying what. Now, the most obvious answer, or the answer we're lead to, is "I'm sorry we murdered 20 billion people for some vague religious reasons" indicating that the one she saw the face of someone who was something to do with the colonials (one of the Lords of Kobol?), but it could have been for anything. I could have been "sorry I went through all this fuss and blundered in here".

<daniel jackson>You don't think it's possible for a Cylon to lie, do you?</daniel jackson>

He commissioned Baltar's Cylon Detector project in the first place. And it was either he or Roslin that suggested that they both go first.

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Renegade 13 said:
"Heh I think everyone has a grudge against the SciFi channel for one reason or another. (They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)"

Stargate SG-1 ended at season 7. Sci-fi Channel then drug its corpse through the mud for several years. It's not really a "minority opinion."

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*dragged

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*raises hands* It wasn't me who said it was a minority opinion! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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They didn't really drag it that far. I thought the new series was ok. Sure it had 3 of the old cast in it, but all in all, it wasn't that bad of a show. Fargate really did keep my interest. So I liked it.

Different topic.
The other day I put in the old TOS series DVD and watched Balance of Terror. It was just over 51 minutes long. I then watched the remastered version with the new special effects. WOW... loved it! However it was parred down to just over 40 minutes. I noticed that with a lot of shows lately, Enterprise, Fargate, Atlantis and so on, they are all right around the 40 minute mark. You can see the difference that 10 minutes makes in a show. That extra 10 minutes makes a hell of a lot of difference and I would hope that the trend to shorten shows in favor of adding more advertising reverses itself. Just think if BSG was 5 or even 10 minutes longer each episode.

The new remastered TOS episodes are quite good. I watched Dooms Day Machine and was very pleased with how they did the Special Effects. It just sucked that it was shortened by 10 minutes from the original version. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif They cut out a lot of stuff that shouldn't have been removed. And that seems to be the trend now a days. And the bad thing is they don't put it back in even for the DVD collections. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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If they were BSG episodes like the last few, I'd have to gouge my eyes out if they were longer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Actually, the trend is for direct product placement so that the entire show becomes a commercial. And yet they aren't dropping the interrupting kind of commercials. Granted, this is a bit hard to do with Scifi shows. Most brands wouldn't fit in the hypothetical "future" depicted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But for television in general, that's where it's going.

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Advertisers are demanding more time for their crap and paying less and less to the networks. The shows are paying the price, as a result, the long-term multi-arc series that were once scoffed have returned in force.

If you look at all the top shows, they all followed a continuing plot arc. 24, Lost (not anymore), Heros, Prision Break, and so on. Even older shows, that was once always episodic, are shifting over to the style. BSG also followed this, where each episode would lead into the next. That's how show producers and writers are answering the reduction from a 51 minute hour, to the 42 minute hour, to the 38 minute hour. Supposedly that will be cut down even more to a 32 minute hour.

The miniseries lead to 33, which in turn lead to the eventual first fuel crisis of the fleet then to kobol. Water lead to the Tom Zarek arc. That's why I maintain Resurrection Ship was where the show dropped a bit in quality, as they began a shift to more episodic format after that point.

I would've loved to see Black Market as a prelude to a big power play by Zarek to take control of the fleet from underneath everyone while trying to take control of the government. for example.

And the food crisis in season 3 could've been played out more. oh well.

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Renegade 13 said:
"*raises hands* It wasn't me who said it was a minority opinion! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif "

It was not my intention to imply that you did.

Mr. Pedant said:
"*dragged"

I don't recall enabling the -pedantic flag on my post-making.

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And that will be when I stop watching conventional TV, and just download all episodes from the internet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Advertisers should pay for the privledge to waste my time, rather than me paying my satellite subscription for them to waste my time. <---A rather awkward way of saying it, but the point should be perceptible.

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The 38 minute hour is the current standard in TV, only older tv shows can get exemptions - but that's normally only to 41 minutes.

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Well, the only reason I have a cable subscription is because it was cheaper to get the package cable/phone/internet deal than it was to just get phone and internet separately. I never watched much TV in the first place, and the cable I get has ****ty selection. About the only thing worth turning on the tuner card for is Comedy Central for Daily Show and Colbert Report. I don't get Sci-fi for BSG. The other shows I "watch" all air in other countries, but not in the US.

But the plus side is, never need to watch commercials http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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This is why I don't bother watching TV anymore. If I download and watch say Heroes & BSG, I'm done 40 minutes before I would have finished watching them on TV. That gives me 40 minutes extra to study, do some cleaning, play some SE, do whatever, but it's 40 minutes of my life that I didn't have to spend watching the uninspired drivel that passes for commercials these days. I mean, the ads aren't even entertaining anymore!

As for product placement, it doesn't really bother me. Replace the Galactica with a giant Pepsi can, and the Colonial uniforms with Nike or Adidas gear, I don't really care, as long as the show is good, I'll watch it. On my computer. Without the extra commercials. Mwah.

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I stopped watching TV years ago. Don't even own a TV anymore. Babylon 5 was the last thing on TV that I had any interest in. Now, only when I visit someone else who still has a TV do I see any TV programming.

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Near the end of Season Two, He stood upon his pile of poo, and enacted the tale of "Writers!? We don't need no steenkeen writers!". The ego-intoxicated Jack of All Trades went on to rediscover that, yes Virginia, "Jam Sessions" may have soul, but so does a well executed orchestra.

That was the beginning of the end. Self-Importance made an appearance in the form of Political Statement. We're so big we talk about national stuff--nevermind the tale. Then Tyranny set in, with the threat of firings, and so the Cylons were demoted from the realm of immortals (with genuine sci-fi interest) to just another 'them' that are also afraid to die. Just keeping the troops in line, I'de wager.

Without real material, the bottom-up scene assembly continued as a bluff of sorts. Mysteries began that had no finish. The blonde's adventure beyond the door of death promised to reveal a secret, but no joy. The woman left the show. The Eye of Jupiter was another mystery that didn't have any impact. The imperial social structure of 'born a miner, die a miner' was never resolved.

Baltar's "Am I a Cylon?" preview exhibited poor work in the editing room, and it looked like someone was pushing to make Baltar turn out to be a Cylon after all. Screw the characters. Nevermind that he made a Cylon detecter early in the first season. The Cylon Baltar didn't sell, and so the episode was a wierd cobbled together mishmash of dream scenes and whatnot, with a weak proof of humanity by behavior. The bad edits continue to be displayed in "Special Clips from the Cutting Room Floor" tacked on at the end. Commercial enterprise hard at work.

Ellen Tigh also left the show. And now it seems Kara Thrace has left as well. Rats, fleeing the sinking ship.

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The whole show really took a nose dive with that whole new caprica bit. We lost something like a year of the show as the producers and writers tried to "re-invent" the series. They also needed to come up with a way to make Baltar a traitor and such. It really was a bad move even if they managed to give us a few cool episodes out of it. Overall though, it tanked the series. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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You just made that up.

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very good read and accurate.

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I didn't think he made a real Cylon detector. He just made something up and then claimed to have developed one to get the suspicion off himself. In the mini-series he just got lucky when he framed a bloke he didn't like much and that guy ended up being a Cylon.

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Long long ago, I decided that everyone from the 12 colonies were Cylons... they are descended from the original Cylons from Kobol who destroyed the real humanity. Hopefully, the old and new Cylons will eventually team up and destroy Earth to make way for a hyperspace bypass.

Adama is the Imperius Leader! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I miss Iblis and the ancients from the original series... now that had plotz plot potential.

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Could someone please explain to me what in the hell just happened in the last episode (19)? I cannot figure out what it was I just watched. Tye (sp) thinks the Galatica is a cylon now? Baltar is a religious icon? Lee Adama is a traitor, The president has cancer again and along with that she having visions, Caprica 6 is now a mind reader, and Adama wants Lee thrown in the brig! WTH! The episode made no sense what so ever! It was like watching an alcoholically induced bad dream. Hell I had a hang over after watching it.

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Sounds like all kinds of madness! My usual torrent site didn't have episode 19 up for some reason, so I'm a little late in getting it, but I'm sure I'll have something insightful to say after I've watched it.

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I think I should have been stoned or drunk before watching it. I think it would have made more sense then. Hell for Adama to go from "I love you son" to "I won't have an officer who has no integrity serving under me" is a huge leap.

The only thing I can figure out is that perhaps the sounds Tye is hearing might be somehow affecting the crew putting them on edge and pitting them against each other.

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From what I understand, Tigh thinks he can hear through the walls of this ship that the cylons have infiltrated this ship, and are hiding behind bulkheads and the like. Remember the noise the cylon ground troops make, kind of a whirring noise? I think that's what he's hearing. As for the president, yep, cancer. Lee's going on his little "I'm resentful of daddy, so I'm gonna stick it to him by defending Baltar", in essence, having himself a little temper tantrum. As for Six, not quite sure how you got the whole mind reading part. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Well yes, sort of. It is my impression of the video blogs, and extra interviews from Sci-Fi Channel's Battlestar Galactica website taken together with what is happening in/to the series.

Thanks, I had time to edit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Maybe; it wasn't entirely clear that he succeeded. He did spot Boomer as well, and the scene where Six tells him to request a nuke, he has an epiphany of understanding how it could work. So it seems possible that he succeeded. But then they undermined it with talking him out of testing the whole crew just cause it's easier. Also there was some talk of if he was a Cylon then his results could be a program of deception, so the detecter was basically neutered to keep the scare alive.

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No, Tigh keeps hearing little snatches of music, which very few others around him seem to hear (it appears only Anders and Tori can hear it in this episode). It's driving him crazy, trying to find out where it's coming from. It's affecting Tori to a somewhat lesser extent, and Anders is occasionally distracted by it.

Baltar's leaked book and his distinction of living among the Cylons without being killed may have something to do with the religious reverence. While he's hated by many in the fleet, just by speaking out against the power duo of Adama and Roslin, while being in the position of a martyr would gain him favor with a minority.

Lee is trying to escape his father's shadow by becoming his grandfather. He can't move higher in the military now than CAG, as long as his father lives. If he is to achieve anything more in his life, Lee needed to find a way to do it outside of the military. Since he's an idealist (see the episode introducing Tom Zarek), being part of Baltar's defense seems the perfect way for him to affect change and be something other than his father's son.

As for the President, I don't think it's so far-fetched that the cancer has returned. Survivors of cancer are at higher risk to later develop cancer again in the future. The visions would seem to be a side effect of her taking the hallucinatory drugs again.

And Caprica Six, I don't believe has any kind of mind reading abilities. She got a cue from her inner Baltar, and the more she went down that road, the more the reactions of Tigh gave her to say. I think she was talking as much about herself as she was of Tigh, since she believes that Baltar really is good as dead, and she'll soon have a gruesome death to deal with as well (before waking up again).

And I think the threat of throwing Lee and Baltar's lawyer in the brig was more because they were basically forcing his lady-friend to admit something deeply personal in public, again (similar to the first time she admitted she had cancer and was dying, only without the physical bars around her).


Also, if you listen closely to the teaser at the end, you hear Tori say "This isn't happening," and the Chief say "It's true... we're Cylons" as the music that Tigh, Anders, and Tori were hearing plays. Combine that with RDM saying that season 3 would see at least some of the Final Five revealed... well, there's only one episode left...

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Well I will keep watching. I just cannot turn my eyes away from this.

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Reguarding the headBaltar/Tigh thing, it was probably a combination of a fairly professional bit of cold reading and bits and pieces Caprica Six picked up from the occupation grapevine.

It's definately a good thing that Roslin's cancer returned. The magic-cylon blood miracle cure in season 2 stretched credibility a little too far.

And in character, too... remember how Adama reacted with the tribunal in season 1 started going somewhere he didn't want it to?

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the music seemed to contain the cylon hum, and I hope they don't reveal any of them as cylons - but please, no more cylons!

but if you like spoilers, http://www.thetvremote.com/battlesta...nale-spoilers/


and fear for the worst.

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<font color="red">SPOILER </font>

And we will have to wait a nearly six months to see how this one gets explained away. Didn't someone say something about Star Trek? "He's dead Jim!" ooops wait spoke too soon. "Spock?"

And if you really want to get sick, well read this next bit.

So Tigh and Tyrol are cylon's this whole time. Ok ya I buy that. Yup, its completely plausible. Totally didn't see this coming. And here the whole time they have been on board the Galatica, getting drunk, leading the resistance, having Tigh's eye gouged out by other cylons and they never knew he was one of them. Boomer was sleeping with Tyrol, and never ever figured out he was a machine. Oh ya, makes perfect sense to now make him and Tigh out to be cylons. Thats like saying FDR was really a Nazi or something. Hell why not... While we are at it, lets makes Winston Churchill out be one too. This is a writers gage, a bad joke, or worse yet, a ratings ploy in yet another "lets mix it up" plot twisting season ender.

They will do anything for ratings. I don't know whether I should laugh at this or just simply cry at its utter and complete absurdity. I just want to cry.

But after watching the last episode of Stargate SG1, I find myself unable to do so. I think the series ender was a little low tech, too short, and best described as anti-climatic. A lot of work for no pay out. A long wait for a train than never came. Six hours of hard core sex with no climax. A really sexually nasty dream that you wake up from right when its beginning to get good to the sound of a screaming alarm and kids bouncing on your bed demanding breakfast. The kind of dream that all you want to do is kill yourself after waking up from just to find yourself stuck in hell where death is your only escape.

Well at least SG1's series ender was epic compared to that of Enterprise. And at least we have two DVD movies to look forward too unless the plug is pulled on them as well.

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On the upside, by my count episode 19 was 44min11sec, which is a little under two minutes more than the average 42min20sec. Sure, it's not much, but it's a step in the right direction.

Also, it's more or less established that the majority of Cylons don't seem to know who the final five are, and if they are Galactica crewmembers, that would explain Six's "Oh God, we're so sorry," reaction upon seeing the face(s) of the five.

But I'm of the thinking that the Colonials are all really Cylons, decended from those who wiped out humanity to begin with, so anybody in the fleet discovering that they're a Cylon fits in perfectly with my theory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Personally, I've never understood why all cylons wouldn't know who all the other cylons were. They're machines, it's not like their society was fragmented before the human-form cylons were created. So it follows that they'd know who everyone else was.

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http://www.galciv2.com/

This G4: X-Play video review of Galactic Cicilizations II; Dark Avatar has a humorous Battlestar Galactica continuing skit.

The game has gotten near perfect reviews from many major and minor review sites.

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Ya just think if Aaron had their resources and talent at his disposal, image what he could have done with the SE franchise.

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*Gags* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif