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Yeah, that's something missing: There's no way for dead players to watch what's going on.

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Adios, although I am still interested in how it turns out.

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The combind forces of Abysia and r'yleh conquered all that was left of the once great Arcos nation.

The 'forces of good' are going to regret their unprovoked attack on my lands

:-P

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Somehow I have a hard time seeing attacking those who sacrifice virgins to summon demons to be unprovoked.

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how do you know that it was unprovoked sacrifice. Mabye those virgins called the mages names.

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And your "allies" using the dead for which they condemned the Ermorian empire for makes you better, how? Want proof? Here's the proof, the troop report on Caelum's capital:

http://sensori.soldats.net/CaelumCapital.png

See the parts in this report which state "Longdead" and "Tartarian Monstrum"?

So, your "alliance of good" turns out being just yet another regular alliance, except yours is filled with hypocrisy! You would attack others for things you would allow your allies do.

Shameful, indeed.

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And now not only does Caelum have its undead forces deep within its borders, it has some on its Marignonian border, completely removing any veil of non-usage of the dead they may have ever had! Obviously the claims of "goodness" by the alliance of the western nations were highly exaggerated.

Indeed, not only do they use the very same methods they were so quick to condemn and even attack others for, they claim to be acting in the name of "good". Evil in the name of good is the worst kind of evil.

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Please. Those undead merely defected from your evil tyranny. Even the dead are sick of your sick, twisted, alien brain control.

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1) I took no part in the war against Ermor.

2) Using the dead is a very different thing than using demons. It also doesn't require sacrificing virgins.

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very mean spirited and offensive virgins. They had it coming.

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And now they even resort to lies. Going down the path of lies is not so hard after you have already begun twisting your own "ideals", is it? Nothing defected from us, and you know it. You reanimated and created them yourself. Do not try to turn this into "THEY CAME FROM YOU" when it is indeed you who did it from the beginning.

We have never made any claims of goodness, while you have - and you would even lie to keep up appearances. Sad.

If using the dead is so different from using demons, then why did your allies in the so called "alliance of good" use them as an excuse to destroy Ermor, and now they are seen using them themselves?

Does this mean that you see that it is only the so called "alliance of good" which is allowed to use the dead in warfare? If you had defeated Abysia, would you have picked up blood sacrifice as well?

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Sensori's posts always make me laugh =)))

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Sure sure. There are no defections. There is no army of giant angels at your doorstep. You aren't mind controlling everyone. And you spew no propaganda.

There is an important difference between these undead and Ermor's. Ermor's were evil. Many of these undead are defections from your tartarian gate who rejected your evil ways. Some of them are former minions of Ermor who have gone through extensive rehabilitation. So you see, Ermor had evil undead. These are pure, kindhearted, good undead. They're really big sweeties actually. Which all right-thinking, freedom-loving people can see. Not so hard to understand. Although they are angry with their former brainwashers.

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Again you spew your lies. Never did we say that we do not control the minds of some. That is something you came up with on your own. Maybe your mind would need to be controlled by a mind which is much more organized than yours, one which is not quite as deep in insanity as yours? And yes, you are quite right, there IS no army of giant angels at our doorstep. Instead, there is a giant army of devils and assorted creatures on yours. And I would not call the Caelians "angelic". No, you are just men with wings.

Nothing changes the fact that you reanimate the dead while claiming them to be "defectants". Sure, of course. Too bad the Longdead are MINDLESS. DO you know what that means? Oh right, maybe not, since you are without a mind yourself. You claim your dead to be "good", while claiming other people's dead to be "evil". How in the name of all that is holy does that work? They are the same longdead we are using. The same gods from the very same Tartarus that we are using. There's no difference. Well, except the fact that you are... "Rehabilitating" your troops. If that does not mean brainwashing, then nothing does.

And obviously we are much nicer than you, since a number of Arcoscephalean troops defected to OUR side when they found out about your usage of evil in the name of good!

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Really? I haven't seen any Arco troops in your armies. I expect if we ever do, they will be accompanied by large head scars and drool.

Good vs. Evil isn't that complicated. Just take a look. Big feathery wings - good. Devils - evil. Horrible tentacle aliens - evil. This isn't rocket science.

And by the way, please continue insulting our poor, misunderstood undead friends. I'm sure calling them brainless will do a wonderful job of winning them over.

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It seems that sanity is truly something which has been lost in the lands of Caelum. They do not see the fact that their evil is just as evil as that of anyone else. Your wings do not make you "good". It is the actions of the creature which make it so. And yours... Your actions have been just as bad as ours.

Your "alliance of good" is a joke.

Your undead "friends" are just as much evil as those that were used by Ermor. Or by us. Or by any other nation, such as the Ulmish horde which was eradicated after its war against us. Your "big feathery wings" mean nothing. You are not celestial beings. You are not angelic. You are simply men with bird-like wings, nothing more, nothing less. We have seen this. We know. And of "angels", you are closer to the Fallen ones whom are imprisoned in Inferno than the uncorrupted ones.

All you have shown us with your insane babbling is that you believe in your own "goodness" while being just as evil as anyone else. Your mind has been corrupted by your own twisted views on "good" and "evil". The fact that you defined all undead evil when you destroyed Ermor does not change with the fact that you have later, somehow, changed your mind and see SOME as "good"... AS LONG AS they follow YOUR commands. That only shows that your mind has been corrupted.

We grow tired of this retarded debate. You have fallen just as low as Ermor was, with the only difference that at least the Ermorians knew where they were. You are just continuing to run down this path to self-destruction.

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Keep it up. As you can see, the people are listening. And your people are turning on you and beginning to worship me.

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Do you not realise that I, WonderLlama, am the Guardian of the Dead? It is my sacred responsibility to protect these poor dead souls from abuse by those such as you and the vanquished god of Ermor. It is only natural and right that they would fight for this cause, for I am their father, just as I am the father of all good gods.

But I would not expect you to understand the difference between good and evil. For you are the Hunger Without Thought. You are incapable of seeing that your actions lead to your own destruction, as you mindlessly devour all that stands in your way. Especially brains. They represent the knowledge of good and evil, and you hate them, since they represent something you are incapable of. You have spawned the evil gods, but in mindlessness, without purpose. I have forseen that one of your children will be your undoing.

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No, what you have foreseen your own destruction, and for that you have turned from your position as the "Guardian" of the Dead into just what everyone else is - an abuser of the dead. A true Guardian would not use the dead for his own dark ends, while claiming to have "good" intentions. No, a true Guardian would let the dead rest. That is quite exactly the opposite you have done. You are not protecting those "poor souls". You are bringing them to this world to fight in wars which do not concern them.

Just like everyone else. You are no better than us, no better than the Abysians. Indeed, you are worse. We never claimed to be good nor evil. Nor did the Abysians. You are the warmongerer. You brought war to the East, and now it is coming to the West. Remember that it was you who started all this, and it is you who is paying the consequences of his very own rash actions. Not us. We are simply reacting. Responding to the gravest form of hostility.

Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.

Note that our God is also called the God of Invincible Power... How could anything be the undoing of a being which is invincible? And our God surely does not hate brains. That is, again, your own strange form of prejudice. Brains, and the usage of such, represent the destruction of retarded creatures such as yourself, whom start wars for the sake of ideals which they are prepared to throw out of the window at the first time they start seeming to slow down one's progress. All you have shown us is that once your lands have been conquered, your people's genepool must be cleansed of this kind of... Insanity. And, as you might know, becoming hungry rarely requires a lot of thought! That is a survival mechanism of us biological organisms. Or have you not noticed this yet?

But what should one expect of such a young pretender? Of such a young people? You seem to have not yet realized that there is more to the world than just "good" and "evil". There is no such thing as "true evil" nor "true good". There are only shades of grey. Only different views of the world. Brains represent the knowledge of simple issues like this one. Lack of higher brain functions, however, represents your dualist view.

Claiming that the usage of undead by one nation is "evil" and by yourself is "good" is hypocritical, especially if you claim to be the "guardian" of the dead.

As for your claims of our people worshipping you, you must be losing your mind. The fact that people in only a few provinces of our seas worship a god which is not ours is no cause for alarm. In fact it is to be expected in provinces which are surrounded by many hostile dominions, and if you'd pay any attention, the levels of your faith in said provinces has been diminishing for the most part. Surely you should be aware of this? Now that Arcoscephale is gone, our religion will spread from other locations to that place as well. That is how things work in this world.

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I have also forseen my own destruction. We went over that. I have more recently forseen yours. I am not surprised you don't see how the God of Invincible Power could destroy himself. Let me explain it very simply for you. Your power is invincible. Not you. Your own power to create other evil gods is what will destroy you. And as it is invicible, you can not stop it. It is already done.

Yes, my faith in your lands did once diminish. Back when I was overcome with grief for what you did to poor Slither. Not lately. Lately it has done nothing but grow. Ever since I exposed your lies, and they were so evident that the people could not help but believe.

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As of late, your faith has been diminishing in our seas, not growing. The fluctuation of faith in three seas which were, for quite a long time, under your faith just shows that the people who were once brainwashed to believe in your insane form of "goodness" are now wondering whether they should, indeed, join the greater faith of R'lyeh.

As for our lands... The only land province that has your faith, or has ever had your faith, is the island of Typhia, and obviously that is simply a remnant of an age long past. Indeed, when we arrived in the western sea, much of it was under your faith - very strongly we might add. Now the province with the strongest faith in you has less faithful than the province which is under our faith in the same sea. What does this tell about those who "worship" you, hmmmm?

Of course you may "foresee" whatever you wish, our mentally challenged "friend". Your delusions were amusing for a while, but now you are simply testing our patience. The Starspawns of R'lyeh have greater things to attend to than your insane banter. We have seen the future, and there is nothing which would make us die there.

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Some poor Marignon soldier tried to oppose my devil horde, let it be known that they fought (and died) to the last man.

Abysia mourn the passing of such brave soldiers that would have been a great addition to our nation if only Marignon surrendered realizing they can't win this war!

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4...gnonyh9.th.jpg

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No longer will the Lords of Leaf and...um...Bark stand back as events pass them by. The Panni Council has reached a verdict and would now announce it. Pangea will join their brothers, Abysia and R'leyh, in war on the Alliance of Good. We, the Alliance of Questionable Allignment, shall crush those that stand before us. All those that border our woodland nation are warned, in three months time, We March!

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Actually, no. That ocean was mostly under my faith when you entered it.

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Not the northern ones, which are also the ones that are under Caelum's faith (very weakly, I might add, it keeps fluctuating constantly).

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I was wondering if we can postpone the hosting this weekend. I am out of town, with little chance of internet connection from Thursday afternoon until Sunday. I will be getting subs for my other games, but they are all early games, this one is in such a critical stage that I don't want to suddenly bring a new variable into the game. What do you guys think.

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Sounds fine to me.

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No problem man !
Still i hope to have 2-3 more turns done till thursday evening ^^
As you said we're in such a critical stage that i'm eager to see how it turns out...

Btw Wonderllama did i mentioned i really hate your flying troops drop behind my lines? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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No, actually you didn't. Well, I hated the first one too. I hope this one goes a little better.

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Thanks for the Tartarian Spirit, WonderLlama. Hadn't gotten one yet!

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Ouch! You charmed him? How many tries did it take? That guy had at least 24 MR I think.

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Cool fight wonderllama , i have no idea if the routing of your units was a scripted thing or not but really screwed me big time O_o

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Ok, this is just not right. I can't see any of these fights for about another 3 hours. Stop telling me really interesting things happened! The curiosity is driving me crazy!

Errr, maybe I should just stop checking the thread until then. Oh who am I kidding; I can't do that.

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No, not charmed, I enslaved him. Nice equip, though. You chose the wrong target for a one guy leeeeroyyy attack. ;p Not that your other guy did any better.

I don't think I've ever seen two SC-types dying without causing ANY casualties. How many gems did you use to equip those bastages?-D

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Sensori: By charm, I mean the general effect. Not the specific spell. The Monstrum with the Horror Helmet was dumb on my part. I should have known your PD was mindless. The other one was bad luck. MR 25 got charmed in 7 tries. Not saying I should have won, but ouch. The helm I just had lying around. The spirit, I don't know how much that cost. A lot. Who is Leroy?

fabio80mi: No, not scripted. That was in something like round 10, so can't script it. You should be very glad they did rout. Although I have no idea why. My big Iceclad squad still had over 3/4 its guys left. At the point I routed, almost all your guys were unconscious. I would have easily killed the rest if those cowards hadn't run.

I think I'm cursed. And I don't mean my character in the game. Mongoose hates me.

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Still wonder very good tactics, though it didn't turned out as intended for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

You're DEFINETLY a challenge to play against

btw your routing guys did they all die since they had nowhere to retreat to ?

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Yeah, they died. Even flying guys need somewhere adjacent to retreat to. I got a whole page of "(Name) died while retreating into enemy territory" messages.

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Have re-postponed the game for hosting on Sunday, since I got an e-mail from BigandScary to that effect. Hope that was right.

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Well, it looks like his 2h is in so the game might need a new postponement if/when Caelum sends in his turn.

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I was actually waiting since I thought BigandScary wouldn't have a turn in anyway. Would it be useful for me to get a turn in now?

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It would wonder :-)
We asked Llamabeast to resend brigand turn and he did, if you play turn 64 we can start planning the moves and wait for brigandscary in turn 65

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Yeah WonderLlama, you could send your turn in, then I'll postpone again, but at least you'll all be able to take your next turns.

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Now that WonderLlama sent his turn in, you'll have to postpone it again to Sunday, Llamabeast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

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Postponed to late on Sunday. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Thank u llamabeast for your great hosting!

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wow, that was unpleasant. I mean, 5 or 10 I can see coming, but 30? Jeez.

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30 what?

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seraphs, although it seems like there was something more like 40.

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Impressive!

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It's Caelian/High Seraphs, not the real badass ones that Marignon can get. It's not quite as impressive as it would be if they were the actual Seraphs.