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I had two problems against Marignon: first was that my undead armies were kinda.. useless against all those priests. Second thing was the fire 9 bless. With a stable front line, my poison slingers could have actually destroyed your front, spacht (and this actually happened once) but fiery weapons were bit too much to handle, and I got Fire Fend too late. Bottom line is, Marignon has a lot of weapons against C'tis and my playing was long way from perfect. Good war, anyways, I hope that I can take a rematch with you some time, spacht http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Apologies to all for staling. There are times now and again that I just lose track. My life doesn't 100% all the time resolve around Dom3 (wish it could!). I set it aside at T-12hrs and something comes up and I go to bed having forgotten. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Spacht and FF -- my scouts had front seat views of some of those battles. Quite the fireworks display!

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When did you stale FW? The turn has not hosted yet as far as I can tell...

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It was turn 28 (couple ago now already!). Utgard got a little breather that turn -- both his opponents staled at the same time.

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Amitatman the Terrible, Nagaraja and Prophet of Circe, has announced that the Nagas of Patala have accepted peace with the Utgardian giants, having secured the concession that they begin a more rigorous bathing & hygiene regimen.

It was noted by many observers that the Nagaraja spent most of his time in Utgard either falling into a hibernative sleep due to the cold weather or suffering indigestion from eating ... things that he shouldn't have.

However, the Prophet is now back in the Jewelled City and recovering from the ordeal in the royal hot spring, awaiting the advent of Circe, Goddess of Rivers, Rain, and Fashionable Lateness.

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Fashionable lateness... I like that. Sounds a bit like a debutante. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

-SSJ

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Situation is getting more interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Three aggressors got a bit stuck on my lands. Pangaea is starting to get some attention on other borders. Almost all Atlantian aggressors have been annihilated and their capitol should get under siege soon. Similar future awaits Agartha, whose armies are barely alive in my territory, infected with diseases and other ugly things. People of Arcoscephale are tough and they can fight even three enemies at once. And win!

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That somehow reminded me of the iraqi information minister in 2003 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I guess i will just have to focus my Stone spheres on arcoscephalan lands to discern truth from propaganda.

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Zeldor = Tariq Aziz?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Now there is a good pretender name!

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Argathan armies suffered losses while marching across the vast desert between their lands and Arco's.

New methods for extending Argathan reach to these lands have now been developed and are being implemented. The unholy, vile, disgusting nation of Arco better enjoy their feeble victories while they still can.

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I meant this one here:
Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

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TC is looking to trade some of our surplus death / fire gems for water / air / astral gems. PM Minister DC with offers.

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Cleveland:

What do you need that llamia queens for? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Oh, and it was really funny to watch that big Agarthan army getting slaughtered by brave Arcoscephalian patriots. Same with Atlantian army http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I guess it is time to do more sightseeing and visit 2 neighbouring capitols http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Arcoscephalian armies will bring their own zoo with elephants, so at least there will be something to watch durign sieges http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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For supply. Our glorious troops like a bit of variety in their diets.

Speaking of which, what are you feeding the horses up on that mountain these days? Boiled sticks? Rock soup? How many more months can they last up there? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/carrot.gif

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I tried feeding them with manikins but it didn't really work. Tasty but some ugly side-effects next month...

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Lol, what a bunch of cowards. sansanjuan decided that 1:3 is not enough and that 3 need help and broke a NAP without warning and just attacked me. You are really overestimating me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


P.S. Cleveland: You are one extremely lucky bastard to get a mage like that from the event http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Your 3 feebleminded Sibyls weren't for naught, though, as you were able to zap both a Priest AND a Black Servant.

You are one extremely unlucky bastard to have all those NAPs broken on you...that is, if those NAPs ever actually existed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Edit:
Zeldor- "So I assume that when you have taken 48, 286 is for me?

I will e focusig my research towards mind hunts and I will be able to help you with your enemies after that. Though now I have my small war with Pangaea.

Oh, and do not fear me. I will never attack you first, no matter what situation you will have on other fronts. "
ooc(SSJ)- This is not a NAP...
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There was no NAP. Post the exchange. You rebuffed my offering for peace many turns ago over a squabble over a single province.

Also, Arco signaled that by beating 3 players at once you were were the current "king of the hill" and certainly the one to beat. The giants can read between the lines even though our bathing skills are lacking.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif-Utgard

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Also Z...

I would agree to binding arbitration with llamabeast as the non-biased judge as to whether our thread of many weeks ago constituted a NAP (assuming he would agree).

-SSJ

PS In a week you may be posting another blurb gloating that you are now beating all four of us... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif if so I'll tip my hat to you with no venom (but perhaps with some light trash talk...) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Of course we had a NAP and it is very clear from your posts. I am just amazed that you cannot make any reasonable explanation. Nor you do not have guts to just break a NAP like normal player does.

And about that arbitration. What happens if you are found guilty? Surrender? Give back land back + reparation? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I would certainly give back the land immediately. That is the "binding" part http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif. If Llamabeast came back and said "sansanjuan.. per the text in this PM thread and according to my experience in D3, you had a NAP with Arco" case closed. That goes for any reparations too. Even "Utgard is now AI". I'm surprised you didn't make a similar arbitration request when you were given gems but did not provide an item...

Your other option is to post our *entire* exchange and let the community decide. That would not be "binding" since unlike Llamabeast the players may have biased opinions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Whatever happens... remember, unlike RL we are playing a *game*. Take setbacks like a man. I've given you two options. Present your case without rancor.

-SSJ

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Contact llamabeast then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Sounds like the best solution.

And gems? Well, I just forgot about them then. I would send him additional ones for that delay, but I got his war declaration http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Awaiting his reply... if he accepts I will PM him my password and he can read the post exchanges directly.
-SSJ

Edit: we are still at war in the meantime...

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Hmm, how bizarre. Well, if you do want me to arbitrate, seems to me the best thing is for Zeldor to send me his password, and point me to the PM where SSJ agreed to the NAP. After all, looking at SSJ's posts won't help - any number of PMs without an agreement don't disprove the existence of one after all.

I'm not sure if you can change passwords on this forum, but you probably can - Zeldor, you should probably change your password before you give it me, and change it back afterwards. Not that you can't trust me, but it's good policy.

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Just when you thought you saw it all...

Might be nice new feature for Dom4. "Why settle everything by the spells and swords? Dom 4 now boasts Collective Bargaining and Binding Arbitration!"

-SSJ

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I think this is brilliant. Confusion in the diplomacy corps! Borders drawn incorrectly! Accidental war breaks out! sounds like something from the 16-18th centuries and the New World.

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llamabeast:

Heh, maybe try reading more messages, it took me like 10 hours to get into that thread. REfreshing PMs takes half an hour - dom forums work very very very bad last 2 days. It will take me ages to check PMs from sansanjuan and to change password.

sansanjuan:

There was dispute in one stage of talks and that province was controlled all the time by Agartha, not me nor you.

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Enough babbling! Trial by battle!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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LOL, exactly DC. If Zeldor accuses one more person in this game of "backstabbing" him, I will declare war on him. But first, I'll sign a NAP with him and then sneak an army over to his area and attack. Sheesh.

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DonCorazon:

I wish I could send something against him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Okay, I took a look at Zeldor's PMs. Not something I really want to make a habit of doing, but anyway...

So, it seems to me to be a classic case of crossed wires. They seem to have got close to finalising an NAP, having discussed borders and so on, but SSJ never actually finally confirmed the NAP. So I can completely understand why Zeldor thought they had an NAP - many players would think the same - but I think SSJ is correct in stating that the NAP was never signed.

Also, I think the issue was made into a bigger one than was really necessary. If someone breaks an NAP with you (or appears to do so) - well, that's pretty annoying obviously. You might think to yourself that you probably wouldn't trust that player again. But being as such conflicts are almost invariably based on misunderstandings I don't think it's necessary (or pleasant) to do much more than that. Obviously in-character propaganda against the supposed NAP-breaker is fine, but out of character attacks are not so good, I'd say.

Hope everyone thinks my comments here are reasonable.

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Well, if that is llamabeast opinion only thing I can do is respect it.

So SSJ is not backstabber, just normal coward then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Though I give him chance to be a man - back off and fight me when I deal with other invaders [or rather deal with invaders after they manage to kill me].

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That was 10 hours ago. Came here to find out why...no explanation.

This is the worst game in Dominions history.

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Forums are almost dea for me for last couple days so I couldn't write it here.

There was some fuss last time when 2 people staled, here just before hosting 3 people would stale [Atlantis, Agartha and 3rd one, not me] so I decided to postpone the hosting.

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Really?

Why then did you just submit your turn 1hr ago?

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At this rate, I may need to coach my future descendants to take over Alexandria for me.

Another game I am in, Figment, started a month later and is at ~ the same turn.

The turns here always seem to go the full time limit and now beyond it. I'd say stick to the deadline and if the delays are the result of a lack of desire, then encourage people to go AI. Here I didn't see anyone ask for an extension which from my POV would seem to indicate indifference to staling or not.

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Yes, even in my own case, I do not expect the game to be held up if I don't manage to warn of being late. Seems like a line needs to be drawn in that respect.

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Yes it is. But mostly b/c I played Bogarus for the sole reason I wanted to get one of their nifty heroes. So I took luck 3 and have waited and waited and waited and I am still waiting. At this rate, Babi Yaga is still just a myth.

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cleveland:

Like I would have any bussiness in getting my enemies turns in. I would be very happy if you decided to stale next 10 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

DonCorazon:

I think that another game on the same map, Alexander, started even before we did and is on the same turn.
And Urapara is at turn 87 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Damn, Cleveland. Lay off. Yes, the forums were hell to access the last couple of days. Be less of a prick, please.

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Nah, that is just my internet connection in last days. With some sites working very bad. Now at night all works great, I don't know why and I hope it gets better.

I can also cede my admin rights for that game. It coul be a good idea anyway as I will be eliminated very soon. Any volunteers?

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It wasn't just you, unfortunately. I couldn't access anything on shrapnel's servers for a while. Luckily, all I missed was a bunch of whining. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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can we get an extension of just a couple of hours?

its been a long day (conference presentation today, party afterwards), and I just want to go to bed. I will probably be up in time to do my turn and get it in, but just want to make sure. An extension of like 3 hours would give me some breathing room.

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I will extend by 5.

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Zeldor, if you are serious about giving up the admin for this game, I would be willing to take it over.

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Yeah, I am. Some people have some strange issues about that + I will be dead soon, so it would be better that someone still alive would admin the game as I won't pay as much attention.

Anyone is against Firewalker becoming new admin? If not he will be new game admin from tomorrow.

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Fine with me.