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I can't remember any events this turn..

How are the other pplz in the world with thugs..

I've only outfitted one vanjarl semi-decently for the rest I'm relying on galderman/volva and my good troops einheres and skinshifters.

I'm planning to do some summoning the next turns but I've not got much experience with SC or thugging

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I lost every battle except one...I didn't even HIT a single super combatant...I have been reduced to 1/3 of my original territory...and I neglected to stock up on priests for anti-demon work...*whimper*

On the posotive side, you cannot possibly afford to keep all of your SC's attacking me for more than a few turns, and I should be able to defeat your main army with a well placed horde of archers. I hope.

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Aezeal: Vanjarls make kick *** thugs with a right bless(EN), little equipment and some buffs. If you haven't taken a bless with jarls in mind, little more equipment is needed.

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Ghill, you took 2 provinces and are sieging one of my castles... not so bad considering I begun with a quite better possition. What is true is that probably this wasn't the kind war you expected, but in 3 to 1 I cannot afford to clash armies against armies.

You had some quite nice chasis for thugs with the troll kings, you could have tried to outfit them.that would have been a nasty surprise.

By the wa, who is the voyeur? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif My last battels have been under some astral windows and I would like to know if they liked them or not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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Hmm personally I'd throw soulslays on every SC that comes my way.. lol no idea how to deal with them otherwise.

It wasn't me I'd have no idea where to look, but I didn't even know you would know if a astral window was cast either.

have fun you all... let me know what tricks are used, since we should all be nubs but it seems I'm not so updated on tricks as some of us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Aezeal, not sure if Khan'Gar qualifies as a supercombatant, but your soulslay strategy worked pretty well against him... Next game I'll figure out how to defend my pretender better. Or maybe I'll try being a fountain or one of those standing stones...

This game has been fantastic in terms of teaching me - I really didn't know much about bless, improving mages, etc, plus a gazillion other things...

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Karlem, I bought the best seat tickets to several Mictlan vs. Patala matches. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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This turn Ulm managed to capture 5 provinces from Mictlan, which is not bad but certainly isn't good enough either because Mictlan took more than 5 provinces from Patala. In addition to that, Patala's situation is already dire because the proud warriors of monkey people can't match the dukes of hell in personal combat and therefore vast majority of Patala's armies are decimated after two turns of war. It remains to be seen if Patala's powerful mages can make the difference. It's possible that damage has already been done though.

I also failed to kill Ethanim with my pretender, which I thought would be a cakewalk because the archdevil and my pretender had almost exactly same stats but I had significantly more HP and soul vortex on my combatant. All in all, I'd say Mictlan won the first round pretty clearly.

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Is Ixil coming for next round? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Good first round of combats, just a question, what had happened if I had found any of your Ranger squads patrolling last turns? You would have violated the NAP because that could have been easily considered and attack...

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Ah, and Zenzei, this is third round, first round was Arcos, second Patala and now third..... you took just 3 provinces from me, 2 were previously attacked by Patala. You also killed about 70 Patalan units http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif by error I assume http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

Let's see fourth round, but expect the unexpected http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

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You should've taken a window on my battle with arco

Arco had only PD.. but major PD.. about 70 troops maybe

my lines.. whole back line filled with volva and galdermen
in front of them 3 large groups of melee troops (einheres and skinshifters)

my thuggish vanjarl bravely stands alone in front of my army farting in arco's general direction.

first turn: all lightning flashing above my armyfrom summon storm power. My troops appreciate th fireworks and are not scared by arco so they relax and enjoy it a bit.

his troop move forward, my army yawns

second turn: About 7 thunderstrikes decimate his army, the first soulslays seem uneffective
my troops see blood and move ahead.

my thug has buffed by now and is ready to move

his troops move further forward, my troops are laughing in disbelieve that they can be so stupid

Next turns: more thunder strikes, my thug kills every unit he meets the soulslays start to be effective too. When the largest (remaining) concentration of his troops meets my thug hy skinshifters are there also and his troops turn around and flee. My skinshifters are way faster though and so are soulslays and most troops die before they have fled.

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I did thought about this too and I came to conclusion it was worth a bit of a risk(ranger attack didn't work out as well as I had planned though). And because you didn't find them out during the expiration period and I didn't attack with them until NAP had officially ended, you really can't say I broke the NAP, can you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Personally I would find this kind of move a bit grey zone but definitely not a NAP breach because the notification had already been made. If you think this issue needs more conversation, I'm happy to talk it out.

Yep, there was an unfortunate error.

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stats seem to indicate ulm took patala provinces.. and patala lost a great many troops in this exchange http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

mictlan skyrockets in gem income though

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Technically I would have consider them breaking the NAP had I encounter them. We are "good ennemies" and I will not bother about it but just wanted to say it to you for future game. I usually consider anything other than a scout breaking a NAP.

Well, I consider you killing Patala troops a "fortunate error", do you mind? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

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I just think it's funny, neither un- ot fortunate.

Does anyone mind..

If Arco has more nice high PD's then a few astral windows on our borders are adviced http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Just Patala missing. Ghill, come on, just do it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Ufff Zenzei.... did it hurt? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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Borale. To one side mighty Ulm: 13 commanders, 150 units and 15 undead... The commanders are 4 mighty vampire counts, 4 black priests, 1 bane lord fully suited, the Ghoul Baron Ulrich and some more...

To the other side Bifrons.

- No one can harm the mighty devils, no one can damage the forces from frozen hell! You will all die! - said Bifrons
- He can bleed, he can die! - said Ulrich

The rangers of Ulm fired their crossbows, the mindless thralls advanced. Some Vampire counts send some minor imps and even Gravetongue, the bane lord arrivd to combat.

However Bifrons was ready. The Bane lord was quickly incapacitated and he was fast and his shield covered him nearly completely so the stings from the crosbows damaged more the thralls than him. His weapon answered his call and everytime someone died he captured his essence and instead of being damaged every minute it passed he was stronger!

The evil forces of Ulm send imaginary soldier, undead hordes and mighty warrior but he was unharmed. They were brave he killed ¡¡¡142!!! of them before they retreted but then ulmish forces noticed:

Sir!!! There is nowhere to retreat!!

And then they died

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So I think I won round 2. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Karlem how did you avoid getting killed there? Your opponent could tell us anyway so just tell us how Bofrons was outfitted and which spells he used.

Zenzei, same question for you about your banelord.

PS what stats should I be thinking of for both thugs?

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Well...this looks like the end for Patala.

Things I learned this game
-An SC is worth a significantly more expensive army if applied correctly.
-Demon Sc's are very popular (and powerful)
-All the good anti-demon spells are at research 6 or higher! (cleansing water being the one that would have helped me most.)
-Body guards are mandatory for all important non SC generals

I have only two regrets this game. That I didn't get to write a battle report (All of my combats were slaughters one way or another.) and that I got 'NAP trapped' (should have delcared war on mictlan when I ran out of room, he was so close to my capital anyway.).

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Well, Ghill, now that you are nearly out I wanted to tell you some things just for you to learn something additional.

1.- Elephants. At least I didn't see you using them at all during turns 1 to 20. They rock! 4-6 elephants are the indy killer army. Check it, it works incredibly well.
2.- Bless. Nearly any nation can use a bless but take a close look at your national mages: they are powerfull (for late age) they just need more armour, reinvigoration (go earth 9!!) and probably a frost brand to be thugs if you add:
3.- Alteration. Ironskin means prot 20, body ethereal and luck means they will only be damaged by 12,5% of the attacks and add regeneraton or awe and then they just skyrocket. For the cost of 1 shield (5 astral for lucky coin or 10 nature for eye shield) and 1 weaponf (5 water gems for frost brand) thy can kill most PD.
4.- PD is useless for late game. do i need to explain this? You had PD>25 in many sites. PD is only usefull to kill remote spells and to help you in key battles (for example against arcos I raised my PD, but onyl because I knew for sure that he was going to attack and that I needed more troops). Do not put PD just to use money.
5.- Spam temples isn't good. Do not put a temple in each province, becasue I will get for those 400g some troops and you will loose against my bigger army. Temples should be placed only to recuit priest for blesses or inside castle to recruit units if you aren't a dominion bases country (ermor, ryleh...)
6.- Extra forts are for extra mages. You build extra forts to build more mages to research more. Speacially if you have low cost sacred mages like the yogis or Gurus. You need magic 1 to have them skyrocket but please think about it.

Basicaly this is all, I stil have to chase you around but it will be quite hard for you to do big harm. It has been quite inteesting and you have fought well, but next time try to get evocation 4/5 (bladewinds/falling frost) and communions to cast them continuously.

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Aezeal, he just used body ethereal, luck and astral shield. Plus prto 20 (something) and an athame for partial drain life. That is what made him win the battle.

Oh, and of course, an eye shield so that bane lords are now renamed blind lords http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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any nation with elephants should rush with them I think

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Now he tells me!

Anyone going to play in the mega sixty player game starting may 1? Sounds like a lot of fun!

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No, 60 players... that will probably be a mess, many people ealy leaving, so many rushers towards them and as a side effect different possibilities just based on turn 0 luck (position). I prefer more 'controlled' settings where the important thing is what I made.

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Lol I certainly got beaten in Borale alright. However, I'm more inclined to say it's due to my and/or AI major screw up than Bifron's superiority. Here's my side of the story:

Ulm
- 100+ useless chaff units, mostly thralls, who had no purpose except to die at Bifron's feet and therefore buy some time.
- Bane Lord, who was equipped with fire brand/charcoal shield/fly boots/luck pendant, so he was hardly fully decked out as Karlem said. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
His function was to kill the PD Mictlan might have had in the province. Script was supposed to be hold x4->attack rear but I forgot to actually put those orders on him, which I think proved to be rather disasterous in the end.
- 4 black priest who were there to throw iron darts & iron blizzard in the case of PD.
- 1 vampire lord and 3 vampire counts, all scripted to cast leech, which is quite irresistable death sentence to lonely SCs. I also scripted a few hellbind hearts so I might get lucky and capture Mictlan's SC for myself. I didn't bring all those blood slaves to the battlefield for nothing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
All in all, I thought I had crafted a quite elaborate death trap for Bifrons from which there was to be no escape.

Then the battle started and soon everything would come crashing down, for me at least. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
The battle went the way Karlem described but there are few details I wanted to add. My bane lord attacked Bifrons(there was no PD to fight with) immediately, instead of attacking on battle turn five, because of the wrong script I had on him. At this point I immediately knew my bane lord would die as he certainly wasn't same caliber as the ice devil. But this wasn't a big casualty for me because one can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. My mages went next and along with them my plan was ruined as none of them casted the spells, except for Aim, I had scripted on them. So instead of leeches and hellbind hearts my mages throw totally useless stuff( against SCs that is) like raise dead, imps and rush of strenght! The battle goes on with Bifrons stuck in the corner killing my bane lord and soon to be there chaff and needless to say my mages continue act out of script casting Fail Spells(TM). At least they could have chosen to cast Life for a Life instead of raise dead, no? The battle continues like this until my forces finally rout and die because of my second epic failure of the turn: I forgot to send troops to keep the Jomon castle sieged so I would have had a province to retreat into in the case of rout. This rout part of the events isn't so critical though because Mictlan had Magoth attack the Jomon province also and my supposed keep-the-siege-on force wouldn't have stood a chance against him. I have watched the battle several times and the only reason for my mages total failure I could come up with is that the bane lord's too early attack kept Bifrons out of range for my scripted spells and therefore AI ignored my orders and proceeded to cast lame stuff instead of good stuff.

As it stands I'm ready concede to Mictlan and declare Karlem as the winner of VampireBat. How do you guys feel about this? If someone thinks he can still beat Mictlan we should continue the game but otherwise I think we should wrap it up and move on to other games and battles.

Me giving up against Karlem now may seem like surprise(or not) but I've good reason for it and I'll tell it(along som e other stuff) if we decide this game is over. If Karlem for some reason refuses my surrender, I'll do the motions required to postpone the inevitable by a couple of turns.

PS: I find it almost hilarious that such a simple thing as bane lord's orders have this kind of consequences for my play. Even more amusing though is the fact that for the second time in this game all my careful planning goes down the drain on the Fields of Borale. Province #60, I will officially hate you until the end of time and will pillage you in every game I will ever play from now on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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As my capital lies in smoldering ruins, and Khan'Gar oft-dead having just died for a third time, I'm happy to declare Mictlan the winner.

With my new-found knowledge I'm keen to get started on a new game!

Highlights of the game so far (from my perspective):

1. Aezeal. I play various games from tabletop wargames to computer games to xbox live, and I don't think I've enjoyed playing against someone quite as much as I've enjoyed playing against Aezeal. The self-aggrandising humour in his posts, the (early) back and forth of our combats, his bold galderman, his invention of manticore steak - there have been many Aezeal highlights, and I look forward to locking manticore horns with him again soon.

2. Everyone's posts. Particularly the battle reports, but just the general chit-chat - i've learnt a ton. Next game I'll focus on developing my mages and on constructing items rather than just my haphazard 'huh, i have enough gems for hurricane...sweeeeet' strategy.

3. The sort of glorious tragedy of defeat. Khan'Gar now has three "Aezeal roolz" brand marks on his butt. My prophet managed to not die all game but that was mostly because she got freaked out by the hundreds of dying province defense in front of her. I don't think she really accomplished anything all game. Nor did Khan'Gar, aside from looking cool, and guaranteeing that my priestesses and sibyls were diverted from unimportant tasks like research and instead focused on calling out his name. But seriously, there's a certain pleasure to watching your once promising empire crumbling, scrambling your forces even though you know the odds are against you. I imagine this is something that gets old quick, but in my first game there's been a certain pleasure to it.

4. The gallipoli-like charge against Mictlan. The build-up was wonderful, declaring war and all that. A day at work looking forward to some slow-arse to take their turn so I could find out the result. And then the utter thrashing I received! Really thought that battle would be close, and it had to be because the huge army i'd been planning to weild against Aezeal got diverted. Luckily Khan'Gar had only just been recalled and wasn't close enough to get an "I love Karlem" brand...

5. Khan'Gar's heavy investment in a triton army, unaware of what the little shark icon on the tritons meant...

6. Khan'Gar's heavy investment in PD. Actually I hate to think how much I spent. Early on I did it because the manual suggested keeping a bit and I wasn't sure where my borders were. But I must've spent 10000 at least during the game (gulp).

There must be dozens more. Anyway, it's been fun. I'll play out a few more turns if folks like (I get the feeling that some would like to play this further), but I really think that blood rivers of Mictlan have it...

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I've been thinking about joining the new mega game, it indeed sounds like fun. I certainly don't expect to survive till the end in it but I'm sure game like that will be an educational experience anyway. Now that I think more about it, getting totally owned in middle game by some brilliant play would be kind of cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In order to make sure I don't die too soon, I'll probably pick some good EA bless nation or make a tough SC pretender.

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Zenzei, it was a problem of range. If you expect to fight a SC the only solution I have found is to script things like this:

Aim, atackx2, Spell, Spell

This way the mage is nearer and maybe casts them, but of course you need to send some chaff to get arrows and such in case there are any with attack closest.

Regardign the surrender and declaring me winner I personally think that everybody must declare a winner, if just one other thinks that winning is possible then we should continue. I admit that I am in a very good position but Midgard can still do lots of harm and Marignon is there, preparing his movements!. Ulm is not won unless my unrest cap plan has worked better than expected, and you still have those SCs and Pretender.

Zenzei I think that unless you say everything that you have found (perhaps you were rushing to some magic level and found somebody was already there?) it will be hard to convice them.

I will continue playing until there is someone else that sends their turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

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Bane lords do not need head and chest armour (they come with them and quite good) so with just those 4 things I consider them fully decked, perhaps add an antimagic amulet? But that's the only modification I would do to your thug.

Well, There is another modification, I like etherealness, against PD it's wonderfull, so just puting an S1 mage near him scripted body ethereal makes wonders.

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Aye, I said this too in case you didn't notice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I hope other nations will say, Arco already did, if they still want to fight Mictlan so we know whether there's reason to keep playing or not. Personally, I don't think Midgård or Marignon can beat Mictlan by themselves but I wouldn't mind getting proved wrong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I have two SCs, Buriel and Igarak, plus my pretender against your at least six SCs. I would say you have quite an advantege there. Combine that with the fact I just permanently lost all my vampires and I can't recruit anything due to unrest, I'd say my chances are pretty non-existent. I've some troops left but they are totally irrelevant against super combatants. My remaining mages might be able kill some of Karlem's SCs but catching a flying SC with slow moving mage force is extremely difficult. Simply put I lose more every turn than I'm able to take and that leads to defeat without exception.

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Hehee, although I'm beaten for all intents and purposes, I'm itching to see the next turn for there will be a couple of battles I definitely want to see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Where are you teleporting your Pretender? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif Will I guess?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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I'm declaring war on Karlem. I killed Kahn gar for the 3th time now. And I didn't expect you to kill them other 3that fast.
So prepare to die (:D) We will war in a 5 turns guess http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif


Battle report

Outside the walls of arco's capitol his pretender (didn't he have 4A4E once upon a time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif and not 2A3E?) and the restof his army decide to meet my whole army on the field of battle.

Arc conviently didn't recruit elephants which might have been annoyin but decide to fiel 50000 PD, a dozen level 1 indie priests and a dozen healers (all of which had no real reason to be on this battlefield except to die --> my tip for next game.. don't take these units to a large battle) and (on a more serious note) some cerulean warrior and some of the lousiest summons around snake things, a scorpion thing and 5 fall bears.

Conviently his pretender couldn't fly due to a sudden storm (awwww where did that come from)

Thunderstrikes kept blasting his army (and probably killed mst of th 30 troops I lost) and paralyzes nd soulslays kept hittng the manticore (which didn't succub to these soulslays must be noted.) his mages kept cassting awesome spells like fireflies, vine arrows and magmaballs and soon some of my troops had to scratch themselves when the felt some itches of it.

Afte thunderstrikes had killed half of his troops and his charging summons had died in the first clash of weapons the manticore pretender, unable to fly decided to meet the sknshifters, which after 2 times dining on manticore steak got the hint andkilled him in 1 round of combat and gave his nice helmet to my commanders (after the 3th round of manticore steak). Most resistance was given by the 30 cerulean warrior.. but even they died when greeting the skinshifters

Nice try arco... but.. this defense wasn't all that.. lots of PD which died easily to thunderstrikes, lots of healrs and priests which don't belong in battle and your better mages only cast crap spells (only 1 blade wind???)
the ceruleans where a nice thought but you had to few and IMHO elephants might have caused some mayhem.. but then again soulslay miht have removed them fast too.
The gems spend onthose summons where a waste too IMHO.
--> just advice for next game.

KARLEM.... once you have taken out my armies you can claim victory. and I expect the rest to keep kicking him untill that has happened (which I'm pretty sure will happen)
--> I really thought Ulm and mictlan would bring eachother quite a bit down.. so I had some more timebefore I was forced to intervene. Now I'm probably too late... but then again with my NAP5 it was already to late when this started considering how overwhelming mictlans victories have been so far.

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4 to 1? This will be hard to win.

I haven't taken any new fort yet and now another one joins the war...

Well Aezeal, Our war will be quite bloody, we have a very big border. It will be fun..... well, probably not, but I'll try it.

At least I have 5 turns to get ready.

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lol you have way more army than me and I don't have any SC only 2 weak thugs

PS James could have had his pretender still if he'd answered my messages.. I wanted to peace with him so he could send those 200 pplz to mictlan.. but he refused to answer... so next 5 turns will be spend by taking his lands finding a new border for my troops to invade mictlan

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Yes, I have more army than you, but this army is in Patala and Ulm, not in the other side of the river.... And I need it against them yet.

But well, I'll try to recruit some guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Aezeal sorry, I check this forum on my blackberry. And I agree with your comments on my useless mages - something I've learnt this game.

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James, just next time try to make a reverse comunion with 2-4 slaves with earth 1 and 1 master with earth too. Research Conjuration 3, Taumatugy 1 Evocation 4, and do the following:

Master: comunion master, summon earthpower, power of the spheres, hold hold cast spells
Slave: comunion slave hold hold bladewin baldewind stay behind

With 4 slaves that is 8 bladewinds and then 1 each turn... and as they begin in turn 4 they will be in rannge.

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Add in one of those healers(equipped with crystal matrix) Arco has.
Script: Eagle eyes, spells.
This way your blade winds have vastly better accuracy.

If you're against troops with shields or have prot 15+, blade wind is useless. In this case go with falling fires or somesuch instead.

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Aezeal had skishifters so... well, bladewind makes wonders against them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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hmm I had einheres in front mostly though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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It most certainly does. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I just said that thing about shields/good prot because I didn't know against whom this communion was supposed to be used.

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Karlem, you ain't going to capture any of my forts that easily. The party would have been better if you hadn't moved Magoth away though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Marignon can you help with our battle against mictlan?
(has anyone send ingame messages to marignon already he doesn't post that much, maybe not reads as much too?)

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PS if you really want me to try and kill those demons I need some weapons.. I can pay in death gems for example.. can someone forge me some weapons and send them? (we can talk about it if needed)

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Zenzei, It was your clear movement, you needed to get that fort back but I didn't know your plan so keeping Magoth there was a too high risk. It turned well... for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif . Fantastic battle btw, incredible use of stellar cascades and communions.

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ok this gotta stop " Fantastic battle btw, incredible use of stellar cascades and communions. "

that will not do.. MORE explanation.. this is a newb game and I need to learn here

who fought what and how where communions and cascafes used?

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Make a SP game, take 10 S1 guys, put them on a reverse comunion, spam stellar cascades, see effect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

First time I see them, incredible effect.

Add a B1 guy to remove fatigue on turn 5.

Combo!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ask Zenzei for more details http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I suppose sharing the details about the communion I used harms nobody, so here it goes(a slightly improved version):

Slaves x14 (all S1 mages): Communion Slave, Twist Fate, Stellar Cascades x3, Spells
Master #1 (S1E1): Communion Master, Summon Earthpower, Personal Luck, Gifts From the Heavens x2, Spells
Master #2 (S1): Communion Master, Light of the North Star, Enslave Mind x3, Spells
Master #3 (S2B1): Communion Master, Power of the Spheres, Reinvigoration, Life for a Life(if expecting to fight SC), Reinvigoration, Spells
Sit back and enjoy the show.

Remember to add in a bit of chaff to slow down the enemy for a turn or two so you get the communion online. I had my pretender there to play the slow down part because I was really short on troops.

There you have it in its full glory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
The really nice thing in this particular communion was that I got some real firepower out of those otherwise useless S1 mages who normally just sit in the lab doing research.

Re: VampireBat - LA game for new players
 

stellar cascades isn't that good is it? fatigue damage?

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Fatigue is really deadly. I forget the exact points where you lose xyz ability but essentially you lose your ability to defend against attacks. 50 or so fatigue and you are likely dead.

Many times I have used swarms of chaff to wear down high defense/protection units. Those reinvigoration items are very handy as I have recently learned.