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The sale of HIMARS is still in the proposal stage. The Dept. of State has approved the sale and has notified Congress which will have to approve it. From there it goes to the President. All will approve of the sale. It will take some time.
Before I continue that'll be 18 launcher systems (Truck mounted) and 468 HIMARS Launcher Loader Module kits (Weapons Pods.) plus more as ref below breaks down nicely.) As is mostly the case correct my "marine buddy" is seriously correct. One of my "*****es" out here but please contain your enthusiasm, take a deep breath and proceed to read your sources carefully and slowly to avoid confusion and possible unnecessary work. And I've been there myself and for those that have been here awhile, might remember my fun with MRAPS (For your entertainment as time allows, you'll find it all at the start of that Thread.) back when I thought I could be of some help out here!?! :rolleyes: ;) :D Indications are unlike the ones sent to the Ukraine, Poland's will be "new build" ones and not from USA inventory for which we've also have contracted Lockheed Martin to build new units to replace (Ones sent to the Ukraine.) and to further increase our inventory of HIMARS. If the decision in the end should change and be taken from USA inventory instead, I feel your date should be about right. But this article clearly states Lockheed Martin has been contracted to fulfill the Poland contract in which case you'll be looking at 1 - 1.5 years. If we continue sending more from our stocks to the Ukraine in the interim, you can guess who'll have priority in the new production units. It won't be Poland. The world is focused on the Ukraine but given recent events here in regard to China to include the cancellation of the Sec. of State visit that was scheduled for next week, things are a little more tense now. Some reputable "think tanks" see the possibility we might go to a limited war with China as early as 2025 given current events. This has been reported by the "mainstream" media here. This of course is hypothetical at this point but, if the trend continues, you'll see a policy shift more towards the Far East from us over time. My best guess is at least a year away or more for Poland. The para below from the ref would seem to support this. "The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Grand Prairie, TX. Implementation of this proposed sale will require U.S. Government or contractor representatives to travel to Poland for program management reviews to support the program. Travel is expected to occur approximately twice per year as needed to support equipment fielding and training. This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value is for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded." https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...0_billion.html On a side issue while "We are fighting our annual War on Terror" please PM me for "drop dead date" to send my final submission to include 5 new build tanks (Across 4 countries.) with some changes to an OOB (Done with one new build and an export almost finished. ). And no, I'm NOT saying for who or what. You stay with the Ukraine etc. as I've invested too much on this project not to finish it myself for this submission or next with all due respect. I need some sleep next week "the world is going to ****" and we're just ramping up to it. :p Regards, Pat :capt: |
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FWIW ( and it's always a moving target ) I would want all info / scenarios etc to me by late March for both games. That is not a release date. Late march gives us time to assemble check and recheck without a "Columbo" "just one more thing...." distraction..... there will ALWAYS be "just one more thing" but a line needs to be drawn
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And as I discussed in my last post comes this today.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e5fbeafb786884 Now to lunch and work. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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There is a lot of info regarding the US sending Ukraine RIM-7 ( or maybe it's the ESSM....maybe, maybe not ) for use with Ukraines 9K37/SA-11's
There seems to be a number of different potential configurations I have seen photos of twin set ups but that was with the ESSM I have seen photos of a Czech project that mounts the ESSM with 3 missiles each in an enclosed tube I have seen 4 missiles exposed Naval launchers have 4x2 missiles FOR NOW I have them in the OOB with 4 just as the existing SA-11 with the Buk This is NOT a request for anyone to start digging but if anyone sees something in a week or two or three... post it here. |
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I've got an old friend I've known for 50yrs+ on the road to here now.
So, I can have the night free to spend with us, I came across these two articles concerning the GEPARD apparently, they're performing better than maybe was anticipated. I posted on the planned "minor" tweaks made to improve the systems but, more importantly the "newer" round it's also using that I previously posted on and provided a video showing its use in combat by the Ukraine. "They fire the potent 35×228 mm standard NATO round in a range of types, such as HEI (High-Explosive Incendiary), FAPDS (Frangible Armor-Piercing Discarding-Sabot) and SAPHEI (Semi Armor-Piercing High-Explosive Incendiary). Usually Gepards are loaded with around 320 anti-aircraft rounds and 20 armor piercing rounds per gun." This the first time they've been used in combat from what I can find. So bottom-line it works very well. So, you can consider this post a SITREP. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war...drones-1756993 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...44c01f1323b93f Anyway, company is here! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I'll try to keep this "short and sweet" the Sea Sparrow (RIM-7) is a USN system that's been around for decades but has had several modifications over the years which has been continued to this day.
Take NOTE of the picture in ref 1, my Son-in-Law is in charge of those and associated systems on his Carrier. Those SAM systems are highly accurate" and can attack "sea skimmers" down to 6 or 8 meters and anything above that. If it fly's it's a target. That being said the primary purpose is to take out cruise missiles. Ukraine is not receiving the USA version at this time. We were smart enough in its development to introduce a variant that was/is capable to operate with the 9K37 Buk missile system which is what the Ukraine currently operates. I believe this will be a more capable missile than the currently used 9М38M1 missile. https://www.technology.org/2023/01/0...-is-important/ https://weaponsystems.net/system/139...0Sea%20Sparrow https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...blem-5354.html https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-...missile-rim-7/ With a 90lb. warhead moving at Mach 3/3.5 that's a BAD DAY for a HIND or anything else within its range. Just "BUK'em out!!" :D If you have any questions let me know-I'm out, seeing the Doc later in the morning. Oh, before I forget the timing on them receiving those missiles should coincide with the delivery of BRADLEY as they were in the same weapons package. EDIT: TAIWAN uses them for land purposes as the SKYGUARD SHORAD system as well as in Naval capacity. Other operators as listed in ref. 2 I believe are used only for Naval applications. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I love the icon though please keep it in the files!
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Also Viktor will be produced in bigger number in Czech. On first glance this vehicle look like simple technical Toyota with AA ZPU-2 but is more complicated. They must be some simple computer onboard because is possible to rotate turret and elevation by automatics so looks like something in between technicals and fully professional vehicle.
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Russia appears to have a "new toy" in service.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...ed_mortar.html What is very useful is its listing of current and stored artillery systems. Had a wonderful day/evening in the "oldest city" in the U.S. just a fast hour down the road-well worth a day off from work!! ;) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I will get that in and in the process of checking "discovered" Russian unit 581 is NOT a SP mortar the GAZ-66 is just the transport. The mortar is not fired from the truck..... at least that's what it appears at 3:30 in the morning. Will dig deeper tomorrow but 581 may end up being replaced with the 2S34 Hosta....... at least I think it might be. We'll see when I have a better look at things tomorrow and it turns out it's only used in one scenario it seems
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GAZ-66 you are correct it is only a mortar transport.
https://military-today.com/trucks/gaz_66.htm "The GAZ-66 is used to carry a Vasilyek 82 mm automatic mortar. This vehicle/weapon combination known as the 2B9." https://weaponsystems.net/system/114...%202B11%20Sani "When introduced in 1981 the 2F510 4x4 light truck was used, which is a modified GAZ-66. In the 2000's the 2S12A was developed, which is based around the larger and more capable Ural-43206 4x4 truck." Hopefully this will cover the issue for you. ;) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Article about Hosta service on frontline and aparently one of them is trophy of Ukrainian Army
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Guys....I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have added even MORE variants.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/st...79968237649922 Some more Russian MT-LBs now equipped with 14.5mm 2M-7 and 12.7mm DShK naval gun mounts. One MT-LB fitted with a 2M-7 naval gun mount has already been captured by Ukraine. https://twitter.com/clashreport/stat...37542466920448 New Russian innovation: MT-LB APC with 25mm naval gun 2M-3. |
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I'm only speaking for myself here but, I think we need to be careful with some of these type units especially for ones like Russia where slots are and, in some cases, have been an issue for many years now.
Though now unlikely at this point, we still might see some of these long-projected projects possibly being able "see the light of day" from domestic production. With Russia we (I already am.) we need to keep our eye on the ball as Iran is offering other weapons and I'm not quite sure what China is going to do with arms being sent to Russia. On the Diplomatic side things aren't currently looking to good at the moment for the West. However, since Xi already ordered his military to be ready to execute a possible invasion of Taiwan by 2027, it makes sense to me if I was him to see how well my equipment will hold up not only in the battlefield but, in the battlefield against Western equipment and tactics. That's how Taiwan was equipped and trained. And China is in a much better position to supply them (As compared to the West.) very easily 300 - 400 tanks within a year or less if they wanted to via the secure rail network that both countries operate. Domestically not much we can do about sanctions as both our countries are so intertwined economically. A demonstration to validate my immediate above comment, we look to Germany. Even before the war I posted somethings out there concerning the overall tank shortages in the West and Germany was one of them. I believe I had pinned them done with around 250 tanks this is to include the LEOPARD 2A5 (20/22) that currently use for advanced tank operational training before the crews are assigned to their units. In short Germany is trying to buy back some of the LEOPARDS they sold to neutral Switzerland. These are not for the Ukraine but to replenish to BUNDESWEHR. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...er/ar-AA18dFN6 https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...450070804.html https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...450070804.html Regards, Pat :capt: |
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There are already three MT-LBM variants in the Russian OOB that have been renationalized by me because their status was "iffy" so technically there are three slots that could be used but that does not mean they will or won't
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Now info about self-propelled mortars in Ukrainian army
They snatched on the beginning of war 2x Hosta from Russians with tractors https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...2s34-2443.html but haven't analogous vehicle so the went this way and created 2S17-2 Nona-SV which is BMP-1+2S9 Nona self-propelled 120-mm mortar tower https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...ideo-6004.html But that is short term solution for now improvisation during wartime for longer term they consider use of Polish RAK tower on Gvozdika chassis wich they have themself https://en.defence-ua.com/industries..._are-5865.html Sivalka MLRS is based on Grad-P and different chassis like HMMWV and pickups https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...pecs-5968.html Here about new usage upgrade of old DShK https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illu...c38a8cec56.jpg Quote:
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Along with what will be the CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT the AS-90 has not been delivered yet. However, the 2nd Group of AS-90 crews has just completed training in the UK from Ukraine.
What is other noteworthy here is the article gives us the accelerated training timeframe for those crews at 2 months. The ref is sourced from UK Defence Ministry on Twitter. "A group of Ukrainian military personnel arrived in the United Kingdom for training with AS-90 self-propelled howitzers in early February." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...70d67da&ei=363 A fair amount of the AS-90 are going to the Ukraine, because of this they'll need to replace these quickly to maintain their defense posture but, with what? One of the BEST in the world. https://des.mod.uk/des-secures-arche...-british-army/ (These appear to be new build systems with FOC April 2024.) On the "face of it" I would've dismissed this system BELOW out of hand, however, after reading it's CEP and Blast Radius data, I'm going to post it and see what happens. From the ref. FOC/START MAR 2023. "The Grim-2 operational-tactical missile system is being developed to target individual and group stationary targets at distances ranging from 50 to 280 km. The single-stage ballistic missiles warhead is designed with a mass of 480 kg. The payload can be configured as a unitary or cluster. The unitary configuration uses a fragmentation-high-explosive or penetrating fragmentation-high-explosive payload. The cluster payload is equipped with fragmentation-high-explosive sub-munitions. The missile's estimated impact area with a fragmentation-high-explosive payload is over 10,000 m², while a cluster charge covers 2-3 hectares. The missile, together with its 7.2-meter launch container, weighs 3.5 tons. The missile's onboard control system is inertial and comes with various navigation and guidance systems, such as radar-based and optoelectronic systems (Mine-In other words it's a precision guided weapon.) . Multiple sources suggest that the 280 km range is a formal limitation for the export version of the missile. However, for its own army's requirements, the system's firing range could be increased to 450-500 km." Someday soon say maybe they'll say "Goodbye" to that bridge at that extended range (Or without.). https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...an_troops.html http://www.military-today.com/missil...ic_missile.htm (REPORTS, IT CARRIES 2 MISSILES.) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Also this month the Ukraine has reactivated their KS 19 100mm AA systems. They are being used as Field Artillery and in the AT mode as well. They originally entered service in 1947.
"It has a maximum firing range of approximately 15 km and can reach targets flying at up to 10 km. The gun can fire up to 15 rounds per minute with a variety of ammunition types: high explosive, armor-piercing, and fragmentation rounds. “Effective against light armor and other ground targets,” is how the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency described the KS-19 in 1969." It is unsure fully whether they'll be used in Combat or Training of Artillery personal. https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...00mm_guns.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...res_video.html Regards, Pat :capt: |
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in the game for about a week or so now and it has a greater range than 15km. Three sources, one armyrecognition gives 15,000 m vertical and 21,000 m horizontalwhich is 211 in the game
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Now because is not enaugh MT-LB such 2M-3 naval guns are mounted on ATG-59 Arty tractors
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My mistake is called ATS-59
ATS-59 https://weaponsystems.net/system/1005-ATS-59 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tey-haosef.jpg ATS-59G https://weaponsystems.net/system/1006-ATS-59G https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...9G_tractor.jpg AT-S https://weaponsystems.net/system/1004-AT-S was build earlier https://photo.weaponsystems.net/imag...e_at-s_p05.jpg Poland have also their own vehicle called D-350 Mazur was build in year 1960 to 1961 then Art tractors where unified amongs Warsaw Pact members and ATS-59G was build in Poland until 1989 but Mazur's which where alredy build where used by LWP until around 1985. Many around 218 in 1960 were sold to Czechoslovakia and know there as "Gomulkova pomsta" [Gomulka revenge]. Small number were given to North Vietnam army during Vietnam war and also used there during fights Czechoslovak army photo http://opisybroni.pl/wp-content/uplo...36-300x255.jpg LWP https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tyleryjski.jpg LWP https://www.reddit.com/r/tanks/comme..._it_shared_75/ http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_D-350_Mazur.pdf |
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But front cabin look's more like ATS-59 without G ;) anyway is great
More info if you are intrested or meaby not ;) ATS-59 https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/8/4...o-08-57-08.png https://mortarinvestments.eu/userfil...s/00032231.jpg ATS-59G there was even a dozer variant :rolleyes: https://mortarinvestments.eu/userfil...9g_blade05.jpg https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/2/2...o-11-00-59.png |
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Right good point meaby that is a hybrid between both versions ;)
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will be not too much If I ask also about Mazur D-350 [correct name] :)
Dimensions will be the same as ATS-59 both vehicles are based on the same T-54/55 chasis only arangament of cabin is slighty different (may be used in Vietnam scenerios :D) Plans https://www.hubertcance.com/large-mu...zur-d-350.html Detailed scale model http://www.kartonowki.pl/modele-gale...90,mazur-d-350 data and Chechoslovak version pictures https://www.armedconflicts.com/POL-D-350-Mazur-t19582 |
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Those look really good!
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2M3 Naval Guns became famous after all this installations on MT-LB & ATS-59G
Here meme from twitter https://twitter.com/Me_of_EE Tolkien fans https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqjNsbyW...jpg&name=small Look also on two of their maps How would it be if Mordor was russia? Map made in Mordor: https://twitter.com/Me_of_EE/status/...CoueuG2LIsAAAA Middle-earth of Eastern Europe: https://twitter.com/Me_of_EE/status/...689600/photo/1 |
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The following is HUGE in its ramifications and breaks the "myth" of "Hypersonic" missiles and its "invincibility".
Your teaser the rest is on you the "reader"! "CNN notes that while the Patriot system has been successful in countering ballistic missiles, its ability to stop air-launched hypersonic missiles was purely theoretical before last week." And that has been the thinking for quite some time now even beyond our Patriot Systems. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...08728a59&ei=12 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...es/ar-AA1aTAXj https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...ne/ar-AA1aPGkQ (NOTE: THE BOTTOM UKRAINIAN PICTURE THAT IS A TRUCK MOUNTED SYSTEM WHICH MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE USING. THAT SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE A GERMAN ONE AS IT'S MOUNTED CLEARLY ON A MAN 8x8 TRUCK. WE ALSO HAVE THEM MOUNTED ON THE OSH KOSH TRUCKS AS USED WITH HIMARS.) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Hats off to the crew of that Ukrainian Patriot battery!
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New invention on Russian side T-54&57mm AA gun hybrid
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It's official; directed energy weapons are here to stay.
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/st...329216/photo/1 Ukraine has received the Blighter AUDS Anti-UAV Defence System (being incorrectly reported as a Laser weapon system -- probably because it doesn't look like anything seen before) https://www.blighter.com/products/au...efence-system/ Which basically zaps UAVs with microwave jamming. EDIT: The reason people got confused is that apparently AUDS is currently used with the PHEL Laser prototype under test -- AUDS in that application provides support to the PHEL laser unit by locating, tracking and (if necessary) jamming hostile UAVs -- presumably to keep PHEL from being targeted by enemy UAVs in swarm attacks? |
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I suspect we'll see SEAD suicide drones come out in the next couple weeks/months.
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Well, I'm putting this here so I can track it easier as it seems the Thread it's in seems to have been "hijacked" to a degree.
Increment 1 testing was completed just a short time ago and the first unit equipped was chosen to complete that and the OP-EVAL which was successful. We will see these soon. The ref. is seriously "downplaying" M-SHORAD Increment 2 and we won't see it even if approved as FY 2024 which starts in 2 weeks for funding just still only for R&D. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12397 (Updated on 1 June 2023.) We already have a decades long technology of being able to both jam radars and communications signals simply called "jamming". We use them on in the air, sea and land. With a little research you will find that Russia has already started to equip their tanks with such systems they won't require a lot of power and they'll be compact. It'll only need to create a "bubble" around the tank similar to what APS does. With oscillators' that can scan the frequency band in a matter of milliseconds it'll do the nicely. Generally, the process is referred to as heterodyning. Anyway, I need some sleep as work calls later today. My relief on Saturdays has informed me we "knock out" 7.5+ miles of walking in just over 6 hrs. (We just use our units to get from point A to B unlike the majority of others.) in our secure area. No wonder I feel so "chipper". :D Regards, Pat :capt: |
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There are "issues" am hoping to resolve MLRS in the game now pretty much behaves like WW2 rocket arty. It's an area weapon but it has evolved and the game is stuck in the past. I'm not saying it's way out of line for a lot of unguided MLRS systems but it is for something like HIMARs I have read various articles about Himars accuracy and the game cannot come close with it as O/M rocket artillery unit class as the accuracy of the GPS rounds is commonly stated to be in the 1-3 meter range from the intended POI and that is the LR Himars and the long-range Missile has a 300 KM range. In game terms, it should be able to hit a target that is stationary in a single hex........one missile, one target, one hit. It should NOT be doing what it does in the game now which is spread the POI over half a Km or more But also Himars is not a weapon designed to be used on front-line targets although in a pinch it could. These are deep-strike weapons intended for targets far behind the lines. The ones Ukraine has "only" have an 80km range and what makes them effective is it is hard to hit back at a Himars once it has fired because it can move almost immediately https://www.bbc.com/news/world-62512681 Quote:
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