Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

This game has a lot of bugs. For that matter, the RNG itself may be considered a bug, and yet we live with it. So apparently, being hit by a bug that prohibits you from recruiting an underwater commander is OK (which I obviously don't need, but some other nation would have greatly benefited from), but recruiting a thug chassis is *not* OK? Who makes this call? You personally?

I know this is the internet, and I guess it's too much to ask every person not be a frothing imbecile who freely resorts to name-calling and being an obnoxious ******* (yes, I'm looking at *you* and your douchy icon), but I'm hoping the rest of the players will be able to respond to my inquiry much more civilly.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

For what it's worth, no, I don't think recruiting free thugs is a good thing to do.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

This game didn't specify so what is done is done at this point. Howver if consensus is that they shouldn't be recruitable I would say recruiting should stop. The one game I started I did specify that recruiting 0G Ettin was verboten. So my vote would be no more of em.
Cheers

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

This really needs a vote?

Come on!

Forbidden.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

OOC: Absolutely, totally forbidden.

I mean the site is an Atlantian city of Shamblers. I don't believe it giving access to recruitable Ettins is WAI (working as intended). Indeed, it was probably intended to give you access to Consort Queens or that priest Atlantian that you get on that mercenary group. Exploiting the 0g commander/thug chassis is gamey.

For now, can the Ettins and leave them in your capital, I'd say. Or kill them off creatively. An alteration site giving a discount to wish still has very high barriers to use (the paths, the initial gems, etc.).

FYI, other "gamey" actions which are not allowed include flooding a nation who has just put up Forge of the Ancients with 40 magic trinkets, etc. Use your own judgement, and if you believe it might be questionable, ask.

IC: Hey, this map is like Europe, and scaly lizardmen are located in Scandinavia! Hey, we want our oil and lutefisk back. :(

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Fine, I've stopped recruiting them.

I don't have the means to get rid of the ones I currently have, but I can promise not to do anything with them. They're rather useless where they are anyway, as they're merely sitting on top of my "best site" in a wasteland.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Ah c'mon,

Scandanvia is the popular tourist site for the Lizards! It goes well with our cold-bloodedness.

I hope the rest of the world is observing the aggression that is about to take place from Helheim. Once he smashes our peaceful lands He'll be adding a lot of land to his nation. It might be wise to stop him now before he grows stronger and stronger!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

You are seriously clueless aren't you.

How the game engine itself works is something completely out-of-control of all the players and modders, and those who choose to play and mod Dominions all just have to accept this and deal with any of the bugs that might exist in the engine. (because there is nothing we can do about it other than report them and hope they get fixed). And comparing the use of a known, unintended and moddable bug to issues with the game engine is a seriously poor argumentative stance to take. Various community rules have been formed to deal with the limitations/bugs in the game engine (lab filling, scout blocking etc), and these exist solely because there is nothing we can do about those bugs. So are you also saying that it's ok to exploit any game engine bug as well because another bug allows the recruitment of free Wild Ettins?

Plus these 'game engine bugs' are totally separate from the bug you are using and exploiting, and again comparing the two of them is just you clutching at straws for an argument to support your decision to cheat. And what makes this all the worse is that you know the free Wild Ettins are a bug, and yet not only are you trying to say it's fine to use them, you are also trying to argue it against an overwheling community opinion that you are wrong, and that you are cheating. And you know you are chaating, and now that you've been caught you are trying to defend your actions with ridiculous arguments and comparisons.


And to further elaborate on your pathetic attempt to justify your actions, here is what you should do if you think something in the game, that can be modded, is too powerful or an exploit. (such as your claim about the Alt site)

1 - Go to the CBM thread and argue your case. If it's a good argument and others agree with you then there is a good chance something will be done about it in the next version.

2 - Create your own mod that removes or nerfs whatever it is you think is overpowered and/or an exploit. Then use that mod in the games you play.


What you should never do is cheat by using a known exploit just because you think using this exploit is comparable to other things in the game which you consider are exploits. Notice the word you is very important in this argument, because any player can form an opinion for himself of something in the game which is overpowered or an exploit, but if then everyone decided to cheat to counter their perceived opinions of an exploit, then both the game and the community would disintergrate. As your argument could just as easily be written as...

"I think Niefleheim are overpowered, therefore because they are in this game I now feel it is perfectly acceptable for me to cheat and use whatever exploits I can in order to make up for this".

Or rewritten to fit your arguments.

"I think the Alt dicount site is overpowered and an exploit, therefore because there is a slight chance that it might be in the game, and an even slightly chance someone might use it, I now feel it is perfectly acceptable for me to cheat and use whatever exploits I can in order to make up for this".

or

"I think the game engine has some bugs in it and these bugs are an exploit, and because a weird bug might happen at some point in the game, I now feel it is perfectly acceptable for me to cheat and use whatever exploits I can in order to make up for this".

Now do you see how pathetic your argument is?

I wouldn't count on this in your case. Since the Dominions community is generally a very good one, and we really don't like cheaters at all. Go and do a search for "Norfleet" if you want to see how highly regarded cheaters are around here.

The admin decides. The wider community decides. The main modder of CBM decides (by declaring it a bug). Everyone has decided free Wild Ettins are a bug. And the one person who should never decide it is you. You cheating douchebag who wants to exploit them to his advantage.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Thanks for not using them or recruiting any more, megawidget. Next game I need to remember to crack open the mod and see if I can fix this.

I found this same site in the game MadnessOfKings, and haven't been recruiting them - so I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one :-)

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I dont want to beat up on you megawidget- but I'd prefer the ettins dead. You actually do have the means to kill them- make a ring of water breathing (const 0), give it to one, send it underwater, take it away. The next turn, it will drown. Rinse and repeat.

I hope there is no ill will on your part. Im sorry that Calahan was rude to you, but I agree with his arguments. Luck in getting good magic sites is part of the game. But even sites with path bonuses usually save you only a few gems- the Alt bonus/ wish scenario is a rare case, and isn't relevant until late game. But the free ettin is 14 free nature gems (without even costing a mage/turn) per turn. That's huge! The RNG argument also makes no sense- it affects all of us equally, and we all accept that chance is part of the game anyway. Also, I think it should be obvious that using a known bug is clearly not good sportsmanship.

So, I hoping you see where we're all coming from, right?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I dont want to beat up on you megawidget- but I'd prefer the ettins dead. You actually do have the means to kill them- make a ring of water breathing (const 0), give it to one, send it underwater, take it away. The next turn, it will drown. Rinse and repeat.

I hope there is no ill will on your part. Im sorry that Calahan was rude to you, but I agree with his arguments. Luck in getting good magic sites IS part of the game. But even sites with path bonuses usually save you only a few gems- the Alt bonus/ wish scenario is a rare case, and isn't relevant until late game. But the free ettin is 14 free nature gems (without even costing a mage/turn) per turn. That's huge! The RNG argument also makes no sense- it affects all of us equally, and we all accept that chance is part of the game anyway. Also, I think it should be obvious that using a known bug is clearly not good sportsmanship.

So, I hoping you see where we're all coming from, right?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I dont want to beat up on you megawidget- but I'd prefer the ettins dead. You actually do have the means to kill them- make a ring of water breathing (const 0), give it to one, send it underwater, take it away. The next turn, it will drown. Rinse and repeat.

I hope there is no ill will on your part. Im sorry that Calahan was rude to you, but I agree with his arguments. Luck in getting good magic sites IS part of the game. But even sites with path bonuses usually save you only a few gems- the Alt bonus/ wish scenario is a rare case, and isn't relevant until late game. But the free ettin is 14 free nature gems (without even costing a mage/turn) per turn. That's huge! The RNG argument also makes no sense- it affects all of us equally, and we all accept that chance is part of the game anyway. Also, I think it should be obvious that using a known bug is clearly not good sportsmanship.

So, I hoping you see where we're all coming from, right?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

uhhh, that was weird....sorry about the triple post!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I'll send you a PM, but I can spot the 5W for a ring of water breathing if you (or someone else) has an actual water mage to make the ring itself.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

lol, nice try megawidget :p

but, yeah, a free ettin per turn is way unfair

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I can take off a ring of water breathing while in an underwater province? :confused: Somehow I didn't think that would be possible.

And yes, I see where you are all coming from, that's why I stopped recruiting them. :D I admit I haven't really figured wild ettins to be that great. They're naked giants with shoddy defense and rather worthless without construction research, from what I gather. But then, I never tried them unkitted so maybe they're secretly great and I just don't know. I saw reports of them on the CBM thread and exactly nil response to that. The vanilla exploits, however, appear to be well documented and linked from the strategy guide index.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Oh, please don't. That's my responsibility. I'm Atlantis, so you would think I would have both the water gems and a water mage to do that -- and I presently do for the latter.
I'll have the water gems for it once I'm done site-searching. You probably can't really tell I've been doing a lot of site searching. :( Somehow I thought elemental provinces were more common underwater than that.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

All there is to say is "you are wrong, Arcos'"

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Cool bananas, thanks bro :-)

(Or sis - got that wrong in another game already.)

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I probably shouldn't admit this, but I have trouble seeing why Ettins are worth so much. 14 gems for a mediocre chassis seems too expensive.

But then, 0 gold is also way too cheap :)

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

In other news, I'm working on killing off my javelineers. Too bad they won't stay long enough to die properly -- they keep running! Traitors!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I think that's a legitimate question. I think a useful comparison is to Bane Lords- they have less strength, less health, and undead vulnerabilities, but full cold and poison resist, zero enc, and good starting armor, all for 12 death gems. Ettins have better health, strength, shock resistance, and an extra arm slot, but they are not good without gear, so they are more expensive when you factor in the need to give them armor. So I think they probably are overpriced, but only by a few gems.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

They have three arms. That's huge. Two shields and a weapon makes a great thug.

That said, the fluff says great MR, but they have 15 MR. I actually prefer the somethingawful 'awesomemods' version where they have 22 base MR (and slightly better stats) for more gems (I think 18?). Since you don't want to spend the gems to gear something that's just going to die, it strikes a good balance between 'cheap heavy thug' and 'cheap but non-ideal light SC' for the nations with the path combo (of which there are a lot, and some have no other SC chassises available).

But yeah, i've run into that site in games. I didn't buy any because it was abso****inglutely obvious that a 14gem ench7 high path req thug chassis should not be coming from an 'Atlantean City' and costing 0gold.

Also, it was really funny watching an entire marverni army run away the instant it made contact with my thug. Fear +14, it pays the bills. The fun thing about strength of boars is that pre crystal shields, you can only cast it from your prophet (or maybe a druid communion). So if I know where your prophet is...

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I would hope +12H or even +24H to the turn interval at 20 turns mark.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

And also, theres a fine opportunity to claim a game: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=48660

(Or, for noobish, ruin one)

Some1, please come and take your seat among other great ones!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

BTW, I have a suggestion if we have a sequel to this game. We should name it "Power Beyond Justification". That way the acronym will be "PBJ". Yum!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Peanut Butter and Jelly?

Sounds like an excellent name for a map: "The Cosmic Deli of Peanut Butter and Jelly".

With all the nut allergies around, peanut butter sandwiches at school seem to be a thing of the past, at least where I am.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Nut allergies... whose allergic to nuts?

Just man up, and punch those nuts in the face with your tongue.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

And now Aby has attacked me. To think, they were saying that I was going to kill them a short time ago. Oh well. It's time to show these fools the power of this FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Banishment! Banishment! BANISHMENT!

Changed hosting interval to 72 hours on request of HoleyDooley, gonna be away for 3 days, but might get a turn anyhow, as he said.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Keep that on for the second turn too, because I cant play incoming turn before thursday night anymore.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I'm intrigued by this comment. What?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Probably 'my Tartarian got killed by a miltiaman!' usual complaint. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

In other news, Marverni managed to get a whole bunch of their javelineers killed this turn. Three cheers!

Although a number of ambibate nobles died in the doing of it.

EDIT: To be more specific, about 150 ambibate nobles and 100ish javelineers as well as about 40 PD got their butts handed to them by less than their number of mostly aka-oni. FULLY. OPERATIONAL. BATTLE. STATION.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Hmmm, they actually didn't do that badly in the battle -- about 50% casualties, acceptable losses.

Having their retreat cut off, though, ouch.

Well, at least I don't have to worry about upkeep anymore! Thanks for getting rid of my javelineers for me! :)

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

So, able to sub in Cursed be Iron?



My trip out of town was cancelled, so no need to accommodate my needs.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

You insulted the Mountain King.

That was.. unwise. His goblininity doesn't respond well to.. lack of respect.

http://features.cgsociety.org/newgal..._submedium.jpg

'You... insult me.'

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Death Star, meet Rebel Fleet

FULLY OPERATIONAL SPECTACULAR EXPLOSION

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

OOC: Can we reduce the turn intervals back down to 24-36 hours again?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Yes please.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I would say lets keep it at 48H...

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I'll extend the timer after this turn hosts - 48 hours it is.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

OOC: Have to scale it back down from 72 hours first.

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Sorry about satle-ing again. Lost power yet again. I really "Need More Power!"

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Have you considered alchemising some gems into coal?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

I would love to sell some water gems, if any1s interested in buying?

No, I'm sorry.

We can sell/trade you fire gems though! :0

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Gents, we might want to get that turn interval down a bit, say 48-60H?

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

SOLD!!!!! To the big guy wearing the heavy fur coat!!!!!!!!

Re: Power Beyond Comprehension aka "My power is still raising!" newbie game - Running
 

Hi Hi, anyone want to buy items? We can forge them for you, and we're going to have expanded wares soon too! Just no artifacts, sorry.

We'll charge fair prices, promise!