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This is now the altered write up for that scenario

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Scenario #311 Dnjeper Bridgehead

Russian Riflemen are Mech SMG squads.

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Scenario #312 Red army day

Several units on both sides (including the Russia HQ) are greyed out and never appear on the map.

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This was a (MUCH) bigger mess than I thought it was when I first started looking at it :eek:

I suspect this map was originally larger and it was trimmed down after the scenario was built and that is why some units ended up on the edges and whole blocks of units ended up not even on the map. Although I am not seeing the narrow east edge now, the east edge did show unusually narrow when I started but I have loaded and saved the scenario a dozen times so there may have been some self-correcting going on

The hint to that is the lower edge shows damage in the grey hexes which is not normal and the eastern/right edge grey hexes were not full hexes like the west/left edge.

When I finally waded through this all the units should get onto the map but it is **a bit**< understatement/ sarcasm..... more nightmare> of a mess that took a large number of restarts to correct and near the end of the first go through I started thinking that perhaps in the Russian cases that had large blocks of units that those " off map" were supposed to be re-enforcements and if the map was indeed trimmed after deployment those large blocks of missing units may have lost their reinforcement entry hexes which would explain why so many are just not there.

I made the corrections from a save so I can go back to the original and that is how I am treating them now but I can only guess WHEN and WHERE on the map they were intended to be reinforcements! :banghead

This SHOULD play out much different after all the Russian units actually get into the battle which would change the "easy" rating from the German POV. There are a total of 4274 troops total on both sides.......
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1645636455

We have added a troop, unit and formation stat tab to scenhack so now anyone with access to scenhack can see that info... the actual number of troops in a scenario was never available before

For the Russians guessing maybe 20% never made it onto the map but will now.

EDIT

It took nearly three hours but I have all units either on the map or scheduled to be reenforcements with the exception of one Russian unit that has been changed, then deleted and rebought and IS on the map and IS active when the scenario is played but it persistently shows being greyed out and after a half dozen attempts I have decided being greyed is not important as it IS on the map and can be used so there is one residual quirk but otherwise the units intended to be available are now available.

I'm not sure why you mentioned it was a river crossing when the river is frozen and I have tentatively adjusted the rating

FURTHER EDIT

I was really curious just how many Russian troops never made it on to the map... had guessed maybe 20% but the total is right about 825. As it stood before editing both sides were about equal in manpower ( and why it was easy for the German defenders!).

The extra 825 troops mean there are 31% more than before which should increase the challenge "somewhat" ( that's one and a half Soviet Rifle Battalions) :eek:

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Thanks. I will retest and reevaluate.

The river crossing was supposed to go to the previous scenario. I have corrected.

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Just for fun I let the modified game run AI vs AI then went off to do other things and occasionally come back and see how the battle was progressing and at first I saw the Soviets swarming through the eastern part of the city and thought perhaps too many had been "reactivated".

At one point before halfway through the Soviet AI had pushed tanks across the bridges over the frozen river and I thought the change had been too much but then I came back a half-hour later and I could see the German AI had started retaking V hexes and when I came back at the end the score was not far away from being a German AI Decisive victory so I am interested in seeing how this plays out for you and anyone else who wants to give it a try

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In the process of retesting now from the Russian side first.

I discovered that the dragon's teeth are not really there.

They don't block movement and can't be cleared.

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Do you recall if it was like that before?

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I took them out and put them back in again and that seems to have worked as they report being Dragons teeth.

Attached is the updated version.

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I am not sure. The Russian tanks never made it that far.

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I checked the copy of that scenario in the virgin copy of the game I use to test update extractions and the dragon's teeth ( and mines ) show on the map but are not reported. In a quick test running infantry through the mines they did not trigger them so neither the DT's or Mines were active in the scenario you tested the first time

They are in revised copy I posted above

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Scenario #318 Cut the Baloney

German Wespes have odd pre-plotted targets.

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Scenario #329 Operation Cauldron

British units D0 and E0 play rifle sounds for their Stens. Other squads play correct sounds.

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Scenario #333 Assault on Maleme airfield

1.NZ Static AA guns do not fire at aircraft.

2. German PAW 7.5s under computer control fire cluster munitions. This cannot be repeated as a human player.

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1. is because they are not and never have been set up as AA capable and we don't use heavy AA guns anywhere in the game so this is a "naming issue" that will be corrected

2........ well THAT is weird. Will investigate. Are you seeing a "cluster" type multiple graphics but confined to one hex ?

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2) The 7.5cm recoilless has AP ammo, and is an indirect fire weapon. AP is cluster for indirect weapons. (looking at the German OOB, not the scenario)

The anti-tank ammo for the thing should be all HEAT - it already has 5 of that, so the AP should be added to either of the HEAT or HE values.

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BINGO

I stared at the damn thing and saw everything but the AP ammo :doh:
AP ammo now gone and that unit repurchased in the scenario

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Was this scenario specific or was it in the OOB? I think I may have seen it before.

The graphics were in multiple hexes like cluster ammo in MBT.

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Some 120 mortars I have seen doing that and it's a function of the way the code handles WH size and HEK but in that case, because it had AP and was an indirect fire class it would have been giving a "cluster " response

That little "gotcha" has been lurking for over a decade and a half

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Scenario #335 Push through Pogost

Russian "Riflemen" are Mech SMG squads

Unknown if this is an issue but the scenario is an advance/delay but there are mines and wire present. I thought that was only for assault/defend.

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Scenario designer's choice. My guess is he wanted wire and mines but not dug in troops in this scenario

It would have been purchased as an assault/defend and then changed to an advance.

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Scenario #340 Reign of Chaos

German bicycle unit BL 1 plays truck sounds when it moves. All the other bicycles play the correct sound.

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Scenario #343 Bagration begins

There should be an ammo dump at 5,47. Every other pair of Nebelwerfers has one.

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Scenario #345 In the panzer's path

Russian 122s AI2, AI3, AJ0, AJ1, and AJ3 use short barreled 76.2 icons

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No they don't use the same Icon as the 76.2 although at first glance they are somewhat similar. It's the short-barreled ones that are more correct. The long-barreled units have the wrong icon

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Scenario #348 Lonneker bridge

1. Llyod carriers are halftracks

2. Sherman Tulips fire 2 smoke shells at a time. They sometimes land in the same hex but often they land in two different hexes.

I thought it was due to the rockets, but it still happened when I turned the rockets off.

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Scenario #351 Victors at Wehl

German Wurfgerats AS0-AS3 use the icon of a LWS amphibious tractor and can't be used for indirect fire.

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Scenario #353 Silence the Merville battery

The British gliders arrive late and appear on board as movable units.

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Well, that's really strange. The scenario is treating them as ground units even though they are UC glider. As for "Arrive late" turn 3 is when they were set to arrive

Will investigate

EDIT

Corrected. They act like gliders again

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Thanks. They arrived on turn 12 and 18 respectively in the original.

Better late than never I guess.

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Scenario #354 A continued contest

Brit Commando scouts play sniper rifle sounds when they fire their Thompsom SMGs.

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Scenario #357 Hard fighting

The Polish bike units have a speed of only 1 when dismounted. They and their bikes are custom units but I think this is an oversight since it makes them very hard to use without getting shot up while mounted.

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That was an odd one them only haveing speed 1 but now corrected

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Scenario #360 Nasty work at Niesulkow

Polish unit Y0 13.2 AAMG uses a long-barreled howitzer icon. The photo on the info screen is also of a howitzer.

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Scenario #361 The challenge for Hill 211

"211" does not appear in the title on the scenario screen.

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Long titles like that surpass the max the game allows but with care they can be entered manually as long as they don't drift into other text.

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Thanks. My OCD was triggered

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I have manually made the "correction"

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Scenario #369 Petrovski jam

Russian "Riflemen" R0, R1, R2, Y3, W0 and W1 are Mech SMG squads. The others are correct and are listed as Reserve infantry

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Scenario #370 Strongpoint Mexiko

Russian Rifle Sections in formations E-J are mech SMG squads.

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I will allow myself to jump into the matter.

Campaign #4 - Golden Talon at the Bulge.
I believe its broken at least by scenario #2, the attack on two villages.
I believe the campaign was designed years ago, when there was no snow penalty applied (or at least it was not so grave as it is now). Thus scenario #2 is pretty much impossible. You need to score at least marginal victory to proceed. Flags at the end of your attack have much higher values than at the start. However, snow impairs movement badly even on roads. There are 12 turns to complete the mission and I believe one cannot do that in just 12 turns. I was attacking and trashing any resistance really, but several times fimply failed to reach the flags as often my troops move only 1-2 hexes per turn. I also tried to use roads, I am literally rushing suicidically with roads, right onto German SMGs, but at best result I was like ~150 points short from marginal.
I don't think final frags are accessible even mathematically speaking :D

I believe its worth fixing?

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I will put this on the to investigate list for future reference

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Scenario #378 Unparalleled fury

Russian Rifle sections W0, X0, Z0, AC0, AD0, AF0, AG0, and AH0 are SMG squads. AA0, AB0 and AE0 are correct.

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Scenario #385 Long night at Sbeitla

Bridge at 32,18 is a stream

Ford at 29,23 is also a trench

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Scenario #388 Enjoying it very much

Japanese units C3 and I0 have their speed set to zero.

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All things considered. I think that was done deliberately by the designer.It's designed to be played with the Japanese as the computer opponent on defence

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Scenario #832 Yang Dang Khoum

My own actually :D
Recently replayed it and there seem to be bug I can hardly explain. Foreign Legion battalion is tasked with holding the staging position and prevent Thai counterattack (as it was in reality). However, for unknown reason when I played it Legion also launches attack just like other battalions. Fuirthermore, I checked it in scenario editor and I am DAMN sure ENTIRE Legion is set to reaction turn 98 - and yet it moves to attack.

It is a bit of a problem as it ruins the scenario - Thai counterattack develops unopposed :V

Any idea what could cause that? I do not remember this happening during test plays. Wrong updating during one of the updates maybe?

PS: just for the record. This scenario is wrongly behind scenarios #828 and #829 - as Yang Dang Khoum is historically the first, and set of three scenarios was released as improvised "trilogy".

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On the list to investigate at some point. I seem to recall there was another scenario that had units reacting when they were set to 98 as well but I don't recall how that was resolved ATM but it MAY have been setting the reaction to a few turns longer than the scenario is set to run but I'm not sure.

in any event, a 98 set formation should NOT be reacting so this is something that needs looking into whenever we start looking at the game again

That said there was one legionnaire formations that did not have a reaction set ( BP ) but only that one

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If you want to work backwards from Scn 873 I will meet you in the middle.:)

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Scenario of my own - #828 Nasty Nakhon Surprise

Same issue as with Yang Dam Khoum battle. There is a Japanese company guarding the beachhead with 98 reaction turn, and yet it rushes into battle as soon as it is on map (it arrives later).
Probably reactions turns got broken again.

RelT, I believe I play scenarios I find interesting, so it might be a certain hardship. Not to mentioned I played nearly all up to like ~600 in line.