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...Taz, who's head is spinning from all the temporal and metaphysical energys being released around here lately, makes a note to have the glass washing machine replaced at the first opportunity.
As to the Tribbles, Taz wonders that nobody realizes that tribbles are very young Tazmanian Devils! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Can't you have your children visit you at work? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif With all the 'fiends' in here doing terrible things to each other, the little devils feel right at home! ... |
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Tigga,
You definitely missed a turn by sending in the wrong turn. I know, as I managed to do that Last turn. Since our empires are new, things went on largely as they should, but one or two things were odd. I take it that everyone except Tigga and I play their turns at the same machine where they receive them. Everyone else seems to get their turns in so fast that there is no way they are carrying it home from work. As for playing hotseat with me or chatting up sun kissed babes on the beach, I know that at least Mac will chose SEIV. If he doesn’t, Mrs. Mac will give him more than a hotseat. Shame you are taking your vacation in thunderstorm central. How far is Ohio from New York? I look to be in New York during October/November and may need to run my turns in the Bash from somewhere. |
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As Mac sits with Paladin playing their chess game, he was mated in 20 moves, vows revenge, sits back and observes the Time Displacement warp transgressions within the time continuaum in regards to the minions of the cantina. Hmm, now that is most extrodinaire, definitly needs some scientific researsh into the time distortions creating parallel universes. He sees the Taz playing with his little devils, notices a glass washing machine being disposed of by fishy sqiggly creatures, Geo pinned against the wall with a huge smile, as a lovely and not so lovly pair of bikinni clad beach goers do unmentionable things to his mis-shapen anatamy, (xxx rated folks, details not for public display), a resurrected (time diplaced?) Dogscoff cking the lap top adds, and what appears to be a number of clones running amoke. Hmmm, Mac reaches into his ever ready knapsack and pulls out his new Kaboomalator Clone Dispenser. He aims it at the Tigga clone and the rest, pushes a button, and low and behold all the clones in the cantina immediatly go to center stage and start line dancing to the music... ,, he smiles, looks at the Paladin, moves his bishop to queens five, orders another brewski, and inclines to watch the festivities on the dance floor. He also notices the Gryphin in the cornor taking moving video of the spectical commencing on the dance floor...
Saxon, I must agree, Mrs M. would surely shall we say, bring forth her beliefs upon the subject of beach babes upon noticing his attentions in their direction, however, sometimes, what she don't see, goes un-noticed (besides, I;m not that old yet that I still can't enjoy bouncing, jiggling, scantly clad beach bunnies) Now only if Liz H was there.....sigh New York is a ways from Cleveland, but if your ever in this part of the world, let me know, maybe we could get Tesco to join us (if he ever stands still long enough), I play my game on my home computer, no can do from work.... a vacation enjoying mac [ July 31, 2002, 06:44: Message edited by: mac5732 ] |
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In a gesture of magnaminity worthy of Henry IV, Growltigga agrees not to eviscerate Dogscoff for his attempted decapitation, nor will be ban him from the cantina..
Growltigga goes over to the wall and quietly in a corner, flips up his comlink and says 'activate operation batfink' - a stasis field settles round the outside of the cantina, shielding it from all temporal fluxes and other miscellaneuos power surges, he then says 'activate operation britney' and a graviton transporter beam shoots onto the dancefloor, remving the linedancing clones and beaming them to a sanitorium, next comes "activate operation whitewash" and all with a flash, all country and western music in the bar is mysteriously vanished to nebraska.. penultimately, GT says 'activate operation nookie-bear', the ugly one torturing Geo turns into that tasty asian bint out of Rush Hour II, a screen drops down to shield what her and Lucy are getting up to from the rest of the cantina.... All that can now be heard is Geo occassionally whooping like a gibbon finally, GT says 'activate operation deluge' and Taz gives him his favourite 15 pint pot of Bishop's Finger Ale and a packet of pork scratchings [cue deep contented sigh] PS Will not be around much today or at all tomorrow, am off to the Commonwealth Games to watch the best parts of the world (excluding europe) competing for top-hole medals - women's judo, netball and girls' athletics - hooooorrraaaaahhhhh [ July 31, 2002, 10:57: Message edited by: Growltigga ] |
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avoiding the pun police by lurking behind the bar, Growltigga looks upset as he realises the Geo's free dispersal of his reservations has given GT an appointment at the chiropodist to remove a corn followed by a bouffant and blow dry at 'Cut above'!!
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http://www.satirewire.com/charts/berners_lee.shtml
http://www.satirewire.com/charts/tolstoy.shtml I found this very funny. Its the link of the day... [ July 31, 2002, 20:03: Message edited by: tesco samoa ] |
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well, OOC and OT since i just ran out the door, but i guess i need those explained to me.
i take it that the berners-lee chart is supposedly funny because he is indeed the real inventor of the web. and if i understand the joke correctly, it would be alot funnier if the list was authored by Dr. Paul Mockapetris, the accredited inventor of DNS. as for the Tolstoy chart, the only humor i can see in it is that it is completely non-senseical and the items represented are completely unrelated. i am probably just not educated enough to apreciate the humor, so if someonce could please explain this, i would be grateful. please explain in simple, childlike, small words, as i am prone to misunderstanding many forms of high-art. i thought this one was funny though (note the small number of braincells required to understand the humor): http://www.satirewire.com/charts/americans.shtml |
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Yes. That chart makes more sence than most of the charts i see at work.... I am surprised they do not have a 'hockey stick' on it.
Ahh the world of big business and endless meetings.... To all you young inspiring Computer people out there... get out now.... and do something usefull with your life.... |
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Saxon enters the Cantina for the first time in some time. He simply wants a beer and is shocked at the level of violence and trickery that is involved in simply having a quick pint. Strapping on his kevlar ceramic reactive armor, he waves down a FBW and orders a bottle of Tusker and a pair of pistols for defense.
Mac, I suppose Ohio is a bit out of the way from New York, but I have been away so long that I now think of America as being one small town. Surely it isn’t too hard to commute? Oh well, I guess I will just have to suffer through the pain of being in the Big Apple and sigh when I think of what I have missed in Ohio. The way you describe the young flesh on the beaches of Cleveland makes me tingle all over. Or is that just the rash I got going to that bar Tigga told me about in London? |
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Guys, I have been up all night partying and am out at the games today.. I will not be home until tomorrow night and will play my turn then.. please do not process until then
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Dogscoff sits at a table with a beer in his hand and a bank statement in the other. On the table in front of him is an array of computer hardware catalogues.
OK... I've decided not to go for that novatech laptop I mentioned the other day. I'm now looking at spending a little extra (well, about 25% extra=-) to get a Sony Vaio 701. Or maybe a 601. Maybe a bluetooth card as well to plug into it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Anyway, here's my question: Does anyone know what sort of bandwidth I can expect using my mobile phone (ericcson T39m) as a modem across a bluetooth connection? How will it compare to a 56k modem dialup? I already use it for IR dialup and it is sloooow. Something like 9600, which is prohibitive even for downloading PBW files. And what's all this GPRS business? I know that's got something to do with it but what? I've searched and searched with Google but haven't found any definitive answers to these questions. Any geeks out there who know about this stuff? |
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Dogscoff,
Be careful with the Viaos. The small screen has reduced resolutions for some things and I can not play SEIV on mine. The game will only run on some resolutions and Viao does not allow those. Apart from this obviously fatal flaw, I quite like it, so figure out what you want to use it for before buying. |
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Thanks for the advice, Saxon but *ahem* I went out and bought one a few hours after posting that. Got me an fx701, and I think I'm in love http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Anyway, it will do 800x600 easy, and according to the specs it should (although I haven't tried it yet) handle 1024x768 on it's own screen. Unfortunately I seem to have left my SEIV Gold disk at my brother's house when I was handing over my old computer and installing the game there. (he has a legitimate copy of his own, but I figured he'd have lost it=-) This means I won't be able to play SEIV on my new machine for a while. On the upside, my brother should be joining the forum just as soon as I can bully him into signing up. Suggested usernames for him will be welcomed, although I'm sure he'll come up with something interesting of his own. In the meantime I'll just have to soldier on with my Tosh laptop=-) |
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I think you just want to carry the laptop round cos you think it looks cool!!
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'Tig - that's part of it...
Me and the gf have just moved into a new flat which isn't much bigger than the old one. The layout of the phone sockets and things in the new place mean that we wouldn't be able to have a computer anywhere but in the lounge, which is crowded enough as it is. Therefore I thought we'd have use have a laptop as our main computer. Since I already had a laptop that wasn't a problem, except that my new job might well involve quite a lot of travel: I'll want to take the laptop away (to keep up with PBW) and she'll want to keep it at home (to go Online from the lounge) - so the only solution is two laptops. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Seeing as I recently had a bit of a windfall (redundancy payment) I decided to treat myself to a new toy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif The added bonus is that my old but well-specced desktop can go to my brother who has a much bigger lounge, and whose old PC (something I cobbled together out of bits I had lying around) wasn't able to run SEIV. [ August 02, 2002, 15:38: Message edited by: dogscoff ] |
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That sounds eminently logically and well swervy Scoffo.. I was only pulling your plonker mate..
I like laptop carriers, I actually hav a rather nice Spanish leather satchel styler bag which I think looks like the dingo's kidneys (it could be described a sa handbag by the very uncharitable) and given I wear heavy pinstripes, have a bald head and 6 foot tall and 17 stone (all finely tuned fat of course), I do enjoy standing with my hand on it (like those FAGBAGs MI5 use)putting my other hand to my ear and saying 'Hawk has left the building" just to see the reaction people give I do have a laptop but that is used for pure work purposes and I prefer not to use it for SEIV (cos it doesn't seem to work as well).. I have a PC back at Chateau Growltigga and it has a 17" monitor. I like to play SEIV on that because it more relaxing. Guys, I will upload my turn tonight. PS is there any way I can change the email address of my character so that I get the turns at home, rather than in the office? |
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You should be able to change your email address / add a second one through PBW's standard settings changing thingummy. Alternatively, set up an automatic fwd at your work address. That's what i do (with my webmail.)
OT... I just joined the newly opened Sony "Clubvaio" forum. Thought I'd get in there early and get me some cheap respect with a low member number=-) Anyway, I know it's a new forum so you can't expect ppl to have gotten used to one another yet but the formality and on-topicness of the place hit me like a brick. I feel really out of place with all those arty Sony types. Somehow I get the feeling they won't be decapitating one another, snogging antlered ungulates and raising armies of killer mongeese over there. Hey! Why don't we get the whole Shrapnel Forum to join up and liven things up a bit? We could take over the forum! I haven't gatecrashed a party in years! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://www.club-vaio.sony-europe.com/forum/index.php *Dogscoff grabs his axe and viking helmet and rushes out of the cantina, shouting things like "Steal the houses!" "Plunder the livestock!", "Burn the women!" all the way down the road... |
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Well, you have hit the metal fastening implement right on the relevant surface for pounding there I think..
I think we cannot be as, ahem, creative on other forums as we are here. It says a lot for the patience and sense of humour of the people on this thread that they allow something like the cantina to carry on. Many forums I can think would not tolerate our weirdness. Growltigga watches the mad viking go skipping down the road and then pulls out his comlink and says "activate operation rain-of-fish" and sniggers as 3 tonnes of halibut drops on Dogscoff's noggin.... After being requested by Lucy, Growltigga also renews the supply of peanut butter for the Geo-baiting |
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GT, you don't have to change your email address, all you have to do is go to the pbw game and clik on "get current turn", ths will open the game for you without using your email. That way when your at home you don't have to use your email to download or upload the game, then just delete the turn msg you get at work. just an idea you furry old Kat....
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Baby steps Mac. Let's get him where he can consistantly upload his turn before we throw all these advanced features at him, ok? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Last night I was stopped by the cops and they informed me that my road tax had expired two days previously. They also informed me that this was a capital offense. I had guests in the car, the cop was being very aggressive and it had been a very bad day at work. 1000 shillings later (about $13 US) I was back on the road, safe from the threat of being hung for a traffic offense. My guests found this very entertaining, some local colour to add to their trip. I was pissed off, it is the first bribe I have had to pay in six years.
Can anyone front me the cash for a few pints? I have been cleaned right out and my car is grounded until I can get to the road tax people. |
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puke pops back in the door, orders two pints and slides one over to Saxon.
"Road Tax?" |
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Geo and Mac, I have been dowloading the current turn directly from the PBW website, and uploading my turns back because of the inequalities of the PBW system and the obvious inefficiency, malpractice, embezzling and poor personal hygiene of certain people called "George" who run the service!
Geo, as Il Duce of the Knutsford branch of the New Sabot Freedom Fighters, I warn you that any further snarky remarks will lead to a state of hostilities between said heroic freedom fighters and the foul technocrats of Ohio.. you would not like the loss of privelages that that would entail, like breathing for example! |
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You know, every time I look in here, you guys make me laugh. Then I just shake my head and wonder which "institution" you, erm, "exited without authorization"....
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Mac orders an extra large toot for El Saxon in regards to his bribery behaviour, and in front of witnesses no less, Road Tax, what the .... is a road tax? Mac waves at Puke and Dumbluck, notices that its a slow day in the cantina, hmm, not many patrons, so, hey Taz, drinks all around..... and since the Gryphin hasn't been around for unknown reasons,put it all on his tab http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Mac strolls out to the new improved, high tech, patio, places his order with a FBW, opens his book on 101 ways to win at chess and continues to relax while on vacation.... aahhhh, still have 2 more wks to go....
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Mac will we ever be on the computer at the same time ??? I seem to miss you by about 5 minutes most of the time.
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...Taz delivers to Saxon the brew that Mac orders and (in a friendly bartender manner) inquires: "So an expired 'road tax' is a hanging offense? What punishment does say hit-and-run carry?"
Taz refills Saxon's mug and adds a little of the hard stuff. "sounds like those police have trained with the Keystone Kops!"... |
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"None," speculates Puke, "if you are successfull in the 'run' bit."
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Saxon, I am awfully sorry to hear about your run-in with the local oinkers. I have 1 tip for you and 1 query.
Dealing with the tip first, I have been stopped quite a few times in south east asia by 'bent' policemen who see that you are a tourist driving a hire car and then proceed to tell you that you ran over a stop line that did exist until the white paint was eroded in the 1950's.. The fine they usually try and charge is whatever amount of local currency you have in your wallet! whether the legal 'chutzpah' helps or not, I dont know but I always say that I am a British lawyer on secondment to a government department and am a close personal friend of the national justice minister (look up his name first and carry a picture in your wallet if you can). Say you will pay the fine but pull out a notebook and take down the policemen's name, details, official number and a description of the location before hand. It is amazing how many of them suddenly develop cases of 'I will let you off this once sahib, say hello to Minister Bloggs for me". Of course, I also carry 2 wallets, one with about $5-10 of local currency, the other, buried in my underpants, with the rest of the cash The query I have is that I thought you were a man of means? if this is the case, how does a 1,000 shilling ($13) make you broke? |
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Dogscoff shambles into the cantina, muttering incoherently and looking nervously over his shoulder. He orders "a big bottle of something strong" and then, after scouring the area for listening devices, sets up camp underneath one of the corner tables with a small sidearm and a copy of Orwell's 1984.
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Road tax is a pretty straightforward thing and a relatively progressive form of taxation. If you have a vehicle, you need to pay a yearly tax that goes to maintaining the roads upon which you will drive. It is not a very North American idea, where we think we have a god given right to good roads, but it is not a bad idea. The people who use the roads pay for using them and see that they are paying to do so. A petrol (gas) tax usually goes into general revenues and may or may not be used on the roads, while the road tax usually goes straight to the roads department.
In any case, I had not paid my yearly tax, so I was legitimately nailed by the cop. I wanted him to just give me the ticket and let me go to court (no simple and rational things like a fine at city hall, I would actually have to go to court) but he would not give me the ticket. Thus the informal, but time honoured, method of conflict resolution. I did not get my wallet cleaned out, but I did end up paying about five times the going rate. I usually can talk my way out of these things or at least get the ticket I deserve issued, but not on this occasion. I even tried taking him up on his offer to spend the night in the cells, but he was not interested, at all, in due process. The Last time I ended up paying a bribe was when I was fresh in country and I actually thought I was paying bail. When I asked for the receipt, I found out just how ice cold a police officer can be, so I chalked that one up as a learning experience and got out of the station quickly. I was thinking of Tigga’s trick of having a picture of the Justice Minister in my wallet, but have a better solution. I will keep a picture of my mother in my wallet, the sight of whom should make any man flee in terror. The two wallets trick is very useful in muggings and break ins. I have some money set aside at home for such an occasion. It is enough to convince a thief they got the stash and hopefully convince them to leave. It is also nice to have the cash on hand in case of something unusual, like a coup. With elections coming up, we might get to have some interesting times. So, who was coming down to play hot seat during their vacation |
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*Dogscoff jumps out from under his table and fires his gun into the air until he has everyone's attention. "I hereby propose that we all club together enough cash to found a self-sufficient colony on Mars, and declare independence from Earth. We can live without government in a state of anarchy, with no fear of being bullied or snooped on by the authorities, and no-one to interfere with our right to experiment with decent beers and commit random acts of cartoon violence." With that a large section of the ceiling, loosened by the gunshots, crashes down and buries Dogscoff utterly. |
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Tesco spent a nice weekend drinking Tusker, creemore, guiness, Harp and Tuborg....
Ahhh hot sunny days with little to do. Love weekends... And I have my new camera now... Casio qv-4000 so I have been taking pictures.... |
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Saxon, we have road tax here in the UK and whilst I agree with you about its efficacy and functionality, we are having all sorts of fun over here as the government repeatedly are saying how they want to charge tolls on motorways (that is freeways to you north americans) and the public are gobbing off about how it is another sort of stealth tax etc....
I agree, I always keep cash at home, you never know when the proverbial fecal matter will hit the domestic air impeller unit and a stash of cash is the next best thing to a marine battalion in a tight situation. I kept quite a bit of cash at home until I found out that the current Mrs Gt had found the stash and had been spending it (she claimed it was housekeeping and she earns more than me the trout).. |
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Saxon, what you are forgetting is EVERYBODY uses the roads, not just the people with cars. At least in an industrialized, urban soceity that is true. Everybody that goes to the local market and buys produce that was grown on the other side of the continent uses the roads. The cost of transportation of goods and services is one of the largest parts of the end retail cost of everything we buy. If you only lay the burden of the road tax on the individuals that use the roads, be it private citizens or trucking companies, you raise the cost that they must charge you to buy the stuff they produce and ship.
Roads are infrastructure. They are one of the fundamental reasons for governments to exsist, beside national defense and protection of personal liberty. A road tax that is paid by vehicle would be paramount to only charging those that live on the borders with the defense budget. EDIT: Sorry, this maybe isn't the place for this post. If someone wants to start a OT road tax thread I can move this there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Geo [ August 05, 2002, 17:50: Message edited by: geoschmo ] |
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*Lord_Shleepy yawns and rolls over on his motorized waterbed
I think dogscoff hasn't been getting enough sleep lately. *Lord_Shleepy returns to his slumbers |
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Puke raises a mug in agreement with Geo, but also suggests that perhaps our government just assumes that its a citizens patriotic duty to own a car and burn forign oil, so they are just better off taxing everyone rather than finding a way to exempt the people that walk or ride a bicycle on a government maintained sidewalk or bicycle lane.
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As far as I know the only thing Off Topic here is Line Dancing and where it refers to GrowlTiggas active participation. I would also mention that in the US and probably most nations the major road ways (such as the transcontinental rts like I10, I80, and I90) were built to support the military. Rapid movement of troops and equipment was the major purpose. A secondary requirement was to allow for the landing and take off of military aircraft. |
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Saxon,I didn't think they had concrete rds overthere I thought they were all gravel or dirt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif As to those of car owners, has anyone ever looked in your garage lately? You know, the large building that houses those metal monsters of gas guzzling, oil polluting pieces of pLastic. If one does, you will see that it most likely contains more junk then there is room for a car, therefore, I think we all need a garage tax, to help pay our time cleaning the d... things out every year. (doing this exaxt thing on my vacation and I didn't know we owned most of what I found, I even found stuff I havn't seen or used in years.... Yep, Garage Tax, thats the way to go, just let our political leaders know and they'll come up with a way to put the tax on...
Tesco, sorry we keep missing each other, Ive been trying, left msgs everywhere for ya, will keep trying. (maybe stop guzzling for an hour or two, it could be your a little bleary eyed and what you think is your computer is actually your dresser with knobs.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif also in researching the barbaric ritual of line dancing, it has been found that it originated from what was called the "Line Dance Boogie", which was found to be prevalent in the European countries back in the early days, and was a derivative of the "Minuete", some even say that the Boogie was titled in an un-named Island Nation close to France due to a beheading nature on the continent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif aahhh, nothing like a mint julip on the new patio at the cantina to help one relax and dodge falling ceiling tiles from errant bullets. still relaxing mac [ August 05, 2002, 20:30: Message edited by: mac5732 ] |
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also in researching the barbaric ritual of line dancing, it has been found that it originated from what was called the "Line Dance Boogie", which was found to be prevalent in the European countries back in the early days, and was a derivative of the "Minuete", some even say that the Boogie was titled in an un-named Island Nation close to France due to a beheading nature on the continent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Hmmm, I have heard some right tosh on this forum. Tosh so farfetched and stupid that even this mythical LLC character would be reccomending a psychotherapist BUT the above has to be the biggest load of poo poo smelling dung beetle infested garbage I have ever seen outside an American sitcom Mac, I salute you. Only a spindle shanked old tosspot of your advanced years could come up with such a load of dogpoo |
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As far as I know the only thing Off Topic here is Line Dancing and where it refers to GrowlTiggas active participation.
Gryphin, first, good to see you back, I have missed your wit and charm and sexual proclivities - where have you been? Secondly, that is not off topic as such, just dangerous for anyone to go into |
Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
Geo,
You are right, everyone benefits from roads, just as we all benefit from an educated society based on school taxes. However, do we all benefit equally and can we all pay equally? No, we do not and can not. Further, many of the costs of roads are hidden, which creates a distorted marketplace for the goods on offer. Now, the typical North American view is that roads and personal car ownership are a god given right, as well as a universal benefit to all, is not shared throughout the world. What a road tax does is put a cost on using the roads. (This next section is theoretical, we all know the real world does not do this well) Roads do cost society through building, maintenance, pollution, police monitoring, traffic deaths, congestion and opportunity cost. By placing a cost on it, it allows society to recoup some of the cost and, to my mind, allows each individual a choice in how much of the cost they feel like paying. If you have your own car, you will pay 100% of the cost of it, via our theoretically perfect road tax. If you chose instead to use public transit, you will pay only a very small fraction of the bus’s cost to society over the year. You benefit from the road either way, but you choose the level at which you pay and also influence the level of cost which society bears. If everyone took the bus, we would need fewer big roads, there would be less pollution and maintenance would be less. Instead, we chose private cars and have resultantly more pollution, maintenance and freeways. Transport companies will pay more for their big trucks and will pass the costs on to the consumers. They may choose to switch to rail, which is more efficient for some kinds of products, has less deaths per kilometer traveled, and requires less policing. If we put the price of using the road on the Users, we should also remove the price we are now charging everyone indirectly. As such, while the transport companies would pay much high road taxes, everyone would have lower company and income tax. They would then be able to pay the higher charges on goods and might choose the locally grown apples to the ones brought halfway across the continent. Public transit is particularly woeful in North America because the real costs of the road network are not carried by the Users of the road. For financial reasons, more people would use public transit if faced with the true cost of owning a car, which would lead to public transit becoming more viable. Look at New York. It is expensive to run a car, so the subway, busses and taxis are very busy and do pretty well. My old boss considered a car essential here in Nairobi and does not have one in NY. Determining what is an accurate costing of the impact of roads on society is next to impossible. This does not mean we should not try, nor that we should assume that the level of benefits automatically outstrips the negative costs. Even if the level of benefits is higher than the costs (and I agree with you, it usually does) we still need to determine who will bear the costs and how they will be recovered. (As an aside, Japan is sinking huge amounts of cash into public works, including roads. They are widely criticized for spending too much on these things, threatening their already slow economic growth. Sometimes you can have too many roads) In most places, part of the cost of roads is paid for out of general taxation, so there is no link between behavior and result. I feel that more direct taxes are better, as it lets you know where your money is going and also allows you to decide if it is something of which you approve. The other part of the cost of roads is paid by those who live next to the road. Put a freeway next to your house and you pay when your property value drops. You pay much more and get nothing in return. Road tax does not stop you from paying, but does ensure that the guys driving by your house in the middle of the night pay. The guy who rides his bike and does not pay road tax probably does not wake you up as he rides by. I have to run, so two more quick points. Roads kill at lot of people. I think 30,000 died in 1999 in the US. I looked it up after September 11 to get a sense of perspective. Look up traffic deaths with Google. The status quo kills and we could take steps to change it, like putting more people on buses driven by professionals or on trains. We pay in blood for our transport system, a hidden cost that most refuse to acknowledge.. The other point is that I do not think we could have 100% of the costs covered by a road tax, I just want a system where your choices of transport are influenced by the real costs. It is a fairly universal good, but I think the costs should be covered differently than the current model. Defense is the classic example of why some things should not be pay as you go, thought the Falkland Islanders do get a lot of value for their money. Education should have good government support, but I think that allowing parents to influence the schools through supplemental payments is not a bad thing. Gotta run, which is probably better for all witnessing this extended post. |
Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
Geo,
We do have some asphalt on the roads, but it is pretty patchy, so you pound the hell out of your suspension. When you get out of town, your main problem is goats, the buggers like to run across the road just as I drive by. Actually, I lie, the main problem is people on the road, especially kids who were not told by their Mom to look both ways before crossing the road. The goats usually only come on the road to drink from the potholes. Over here it is pretty clear that the people with money use the roads and those without money do not. If you can buy imported goods, you have money. If you own a car, you have money. Those who walk or eat only food grown by their neighbor, do not have money. However, those without money still pay for the road by suffering pollution and run over goats. Thus, my extended dissertation on road tax. |
Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
Where have I been?
Practicing my charm and Passive Agressive behavior at work. Pursuing my procliveties at home. Playing poker and drinking Corsendonk Abby Pale Ale from Belgem. Nice end to a day if my charm failed and my procliveties are not persuable. Finishing touch to a day where all went smoothly. [ August 06, 2002, 12:19: Message edited by: The High Gryphin ] |
Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
Trajan drags his tired old butt into the cantina, waves hello to the assembled regulars (Tigga, Gryph, Mac, Taz etc.), grabs a seat at the bar and orders a nice hot espresso to help him wake up after a long long Monday and in anticipation of an equally long long Tuesday at the office.
Maybe, if I am lucky, my wife will let me play tonight, though, after playing for ten hours on Sunday I do not think that will happen. Cheers! Trajan |
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