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Players, sorry I have been a bit distracted lately. But I just updated the Koth page and have four new games set up, including one on the 1.49 KOTH league.

Get your emp files loaded and give me settings and I'll start your games.

Geoschmo

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primitive steps out of his beat-up spaceship and examines the planet he has crashed on.
He has landed on a dry salt-flat without any vegetation or animal life.
Looking around, he sees nothing, except a single small mountain shimmering in the distance.
Stranded in this desolate landscape, primitive decides to check out this to hill.

Taking nothing but some water and his rusty (yet pointy) spear, primitive starts the long trek towards the hill.

Comming closer, primitive sees the first signs of life on the planet.
There looks to be a bunch of people, fighting each other, all trying to get to the top of the hill.

At the top, a solitary man is standing, calling himself "the king".
He must be the worst Elvis-impersonater ever, looking much more like a like a preacher the king.

Hefting his rusty (yet pointy) spear, primitve starts the long climb towards the top.

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lol
would that be "pointed" humor?

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geo never a problem...

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Anyone interested in trying a Proportions game for KOTH?

Phoenix-D

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Nope.

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Ha Ha P-D thats funny....

The hill would be eroded by the time that game was done.

Turn 356.2 Colonized 3rd planet.... Ha Ha

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Did I forgot to mention "Proportions, 10 planet start?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Actually it wouldn't take -that- long. One of the longest current KOTH games was 122 turns. Proportions 24 is pretty far in at 172, and that's with 5 players plus AIs.

The longest part would be killing the homeworld..force it to riot, though, and the game would be over soon enough.

Phoenix-D

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ok sorry... turn 242.6 my 3rd system... I now have 13 planets and in 20 turns i will have a colony ship with 6 people 2 dogs and a cat on planet 14... I sure hope they can get those dogs and cats to make something to help build that resupply base in 2 years or it will take 3 years to build....

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If two of you want to do a Proportions game for Koth I will allow it. I am over 30, but I am training my daughter to take over PBW when I die, so the server shold still be available.

badump-bump tish http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But seriously, Koth might be the perfect venue for the proportions mod. It isn't that Proportions is slow, it's just that so little happens during turns. It removes a lot of micro managment. Acutally since Proportions homeworlds can support decent sized fleets all by themselves, the game could go faster cause players wont even bother to colonize. Just build, seek and destroy.

Game speed is just a matter of how many turns you play. If you get a couple of players that have similer schedules and lot's of Online access it could be very feasible. We have had a few KOTH games that have had dozens of turns per day.

Geoschmo

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The game between me and Gozguy is over. It was very good and even match but finally Gozguy have to surrender. The fortune is on my side, Gozguy's side of the galaxy has more empty systems. Otherwise the result might have been different.

I have to say I was a little bit disappointed that there isn't any kind of victory screen in SE4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif At least final results should be shown, particularly when the game ends in score limit.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the next match http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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You didn't get a victory screen? Did he surrender officially in the game or did you guys just agree to stop playing?

Geoschmo

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He surrendered officially I think. In events there is Chin Imperium destroyed, there are no other empires in the empires screen and I got all his planets and ships.

When I press end turn I only get the message saying send your turn to host.

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Ok, well maybe I was wrong. It might pop up on the next turn maybe. Try uploading your .plr file just to see if you get a victory screen with the next turn. Call it research. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Geo, you can push Pablo up the hill one level, I have conceded his victory in our game.

[ January 24, 2003, 09:21: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]

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Thanks for a good game, Thermodyne http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Guess I was just lucky this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I played three turns without any other empires than me but the game only continues. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Well, nevermind. The new KOTH game is about to start http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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HELP !!

Anyone know how many racial points is availible for the standard KOTH game ???? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

I'm sure its on one of the 18 pages so far, but I'm lazy.

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In my sig you will find a link to the Koth website and league rules.

The settings are to be determined. The default for racial points is the SE4 default of 2000. But this and any other setting can be changed if both players in the game agree to it. Talk to your opponent, either by email or in the game forum, and let me knwo what you decide.

Geoschmo

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Thanks Geo

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Anyone seen Darkhorse lately? He hasn't played a turn in a couple days now.

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Geo, so you only post you know where when something isn't right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sorry man, but I've worked two straight 12 hour days, plus I've come down with a cold. I'll try to get as much done this weekend as I can, but my eyes are kinda bleary at the moment and I'm having a hard time reading what i'm typing.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sorry man, but I've worked two straight 12 hour days, plus I've come down with a cold. I'll try to get as much done this weekend as I can, but my eyes are kinda bleary at the moment and I'm having a hard time reading what i'm typing.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh ok, I can understand that. I wasn't upset or nothing I was just curious and wondering if anything happened to you. But your healt takes priority so don't worry about the game if you don't feel like messing with it much. We'll get there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Hope get feeling better soon. I hope it's not the same one I am finally getting over. One mean mofo. I was sick for over a month. (extenuating circumstances tho).

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A news post on one of the "bottom tier" games. It's turn 79, and the "Cheeze vs Gandalph" game is still going strong. Despite having made contact somewhere around turn 29, both of us were apparently either saving up and building "best possible" fleets, or we're both chicken.

After some tentative light battles, Gandalph came charging hard into my systems, doing damage and spreading chaos. On such push made it right to my homeworld. The sacrifice of a few ships ahead of the this attack fleet slowed the fleet long enough for a credible defense to be mustered over the my homeworld, and this strike was defeated. The Cheeze military made two incursions into Gandalph's territory, meeting with some success. One such fleet was terminated abruptly by a very sneaky mostly-cloaked fleet. The remaining one runs rampant, at least for now. I'm hoping I did some destruction to his resource base and general population happiness.

The game could end very soon, but it appears we'll be slugging it out in the trenches (probably 6 or 7 primary systems) for a while. Gandalph has superior construction ability and propulsion expertise, while my organic tech provides some counter-balance.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sorry man, but I've worked two straight 12 hour days, plus I've come down with a cold. I'll try to get as much done this weekend as I can, but my eyes are kinda bleary at the moment and I'm having a hard time reading what i'm typing.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh ok, I can understand that. I wasn't upset or nothing I was just curious and wondering if anything happened to you. But your healt takes priority so don't worry about the game if you don't feel like messing with it much. We'll get there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK something is seriously screwy with this game. The Last two turns I've uploaded have been completely ignored and the AI is wreaking havoc on my already sorry empire. This has happened to at least two other games recently that I'm involved in, either to myself or someone else in the game. I'm quite sure I'm sending the right file to the server, and I've repeatedly turned all the AI and minister option off, but to no avail. What is going on???

EDIT: Come to think of it, this isn't the only weirdness happening in the Last few weeks. In a 7 player game, one player sees everyone else's empire graphics change every turn; this has also happened to me (in this koth game, actually); also, corrupted zip files on download... ack! what is happening!?!

[ January 28, 2003, 03:59: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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I confirm the server not taking the files. This Last turn the AI messed up alot of my stuff. Added stuff to Q's and so forth. I don't know what the deal is with this. Geo got any answers? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Darkhorse, regarding the changing pics everytime you load the game. Did you download the shipset that I have selected? Or downloaded the shipset that was seletec in the other games? If you do not have the shipset I am using for this game the computer will randomly select a race file and use that for the ships. If you have downloaded and have the shipset on your computer I do not know what is going on.

[ January 28, 2003, 21:10: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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With the changing shipset files, you might also want to make certain you have the same directory and file names as the player who created/selected the empire. In my current KOTH game, I am using the United Floral Empire, but my directory is UnitedFlora. In some downloads of this shipset, the directory/filenames are started with Uf. Gandalph was having a problem with this before we communicated and corrected this.

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6. The player did everything right, but the .plr file got corrupted on its way to the PBW server (either via upload or e-mail).

capnq
PBW admin

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, the only reason I didn't mention this is that I have never actually seen this be the cause of the AI playing the turn for someone. Theoreticaly it is possible. I consider it in my list of things that might cause problems but I have never seen, like bugs in the SE4 or PBW code. In reality though every time I have seen this happen the result is either the game crashes during processing, or it processes and the resulting .gam file is corrupted and cannot be opened.

The five I have mentioned are all causes that I have seen, and every case I have ever investigated has been at least very strongly indicated to be one of the five.

Geoschmo

[ January 28, 2003, 19:20: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Although now I can add a new one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If the player plays his turn with a newer Version then the host (PBW) is using, the host will reject the .plr file. And during upgrade to a new Version, the player still must use the old Version until after the turn has been processed with the new Version.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Same answers as always. If you want me to check it out I can, but I need specifics. What game, what turn, what player. This the number one reported error on PBW. Anytime anyone gives me specifics I check it out. I have done so dozens of times. I cannot say that I will never find some sort of bug, or some sort of server problem. But I have never found one yet. In every case that I have been given the specific info needed to check it out it has turned out the player inadvertantly uploaded the wrong .plr file. This can be due to a number of problems.

1. The player was the Last to upload their turn, and when they uploaded the turn PBW started processing immedietly. Sometimes the website takes longer to refresh than others, but the PBW server itself almost always begins processing the turn immedietly. This lag can cause a player to hit the upload turn button a second time thinking their file didn't upload. This will result in the same .plr file being uploaded for their next turn. Be patient, don't hit the button twice, check the turn log to make sure this isn't happening to you. (Number one cause of this problem)

2. The player downloaded the turn, but forgot to unzip it, or unzipped it to the wrong directory. And when they played the turn they did not notice it was the same turn they had already played. The result is uploading a non-current .plr file.

3. The player downloaded, unzipped and played the turn correctly, but when uploading browsed to the wrong directory and uploaded an old .plr file. This happens a lot when a game is changed to a different game or mod Version. I suggest deleting old .gam and .plr files if you upgrade Versions.

4. The player did not realize they missed the turn and so was playing an old turn they received by email.

5. The player did everything else correctly, but instead of hitting end turn, accidentally hit close game from the game menu. This sounds unlikely, but I have done it myself so I know it is possible.

[ January 28, 2003, 12:09: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay I went and downloaded the shipset; now tell me where to stick it. Er.. well... you know what I mean http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unzip it in the Pictures/Races folder of your root SEIV 1.84 directory. The path leading to the shipset should be something like Seivwhateverdirectory/Pictures/Races/Name of shipset.

That should do it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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darkhorse, are you sure you don't get inteled by your enemy? not very probable but could be.

[ January 29, 2003, 08:25: Message edited by: Preacherman ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We got it figured out. Somehow we uploaded games using 1.84 before the game was updated. That caused the turns to be ignored by the server and resulting in AI playing the turns.
And no he wasn't intelled. I should know since I'm the one he is playing against. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The only reason I remembered it was that I recently saw it happen twice to the same person, in two different games. When I tried to troubleshoot the games offline, SE IV couldn't load the corrupt files.

capnq
PBW admin

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Is KOTH league page up? For some reason I cannot open it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
"The page cannot be found" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm, I dunno. I'm also getting that error. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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No, it got screwed up and I don't have a fresh copy here. I have one at work but have been sick for the Last two days and haven't been there to put it up.

Geoschmo

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Update on the game between myself and Darkhorse.

After alot of building up of a fleet I am taking it into his systems. A attack force of 30 some odd ships. First battle came at a planet he used to build ships and resupply and so forth. I took out his base, the planet and I believe it was 3 or 4 of his ships without any damage.
I am probably greatly underestimating him and he will wipe me out. But we shall soon see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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my new game i met the enemy at turn 7

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So Zarix looks like we got the record for the longest KOTH game so far. Now if you would just leave you fleet sitting at that warp point perhaps we could increase the record. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Or better yet retreat into that random motion system. Your crews will love you! Just like being on a roller coster

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At 102 turns, I was able to pull a victory out over Gandalph in our KOTH game. I had expected to lose, but had a couple of key moments that saved my behind and allowed me to recuperate. Perhaps the initial key event was a small set of ships damaging enough of one of Gandalph's attacks just sectors away from my homeworld. I don't know if that would have finished me, but it would have hurt badly. I had taken a weird angle by using a gas giant race, but I was fortunate to find some usable planets, many far from Gandalph's systems. Funny that we met so early in the game, but we both were very slow to attack. It was a very fun and well-played game, with lots of back and forth battles (mostly in my systems, mind you!!)

Ultimately I was able to strike at Gandalph through the flanks, allowing me to glass enough planets to cut his resource base and general happiness. My guess is that is what gave me the victory. Also was his fleets running short on supplies. I lost to Fyron on this point because my homeworld was very close to his point of attack. However, Gandalph's were 3-4 systems away, so the lack of solar collectors or resupply pods cut his fleets' capabilities, and allowed me to quickly build a fleet in defense. Training played a major factor, as I think his Last push at my homeworld was with a high defense value fleet (natural defensiveness, ECM, stealth and scattering armor) that my fleet and ship training equalized.

I'm happy to step up to the next tier, only to lose again I'm sure, but my hat's off to Gandalph. It was a pleasure to play you, and I doubt I'll get off so easily next time we meet.

I just hope you don't nurse a desire to avenge yourself on me in some other game!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is weird??? How come?

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DavidG, you won. I lost few mineral planets too much. So to pay for the maintenance I scrapped all my space yards and a few other facilities. Unfortunately, it was not enough and the computer started destroying my ships. I had to keep my fleet still because the computer thought that getting rid of minesweepers and repair ships was good a strategy.

[ February 02, 2003, 13:58: Message edited by: Zarix ]

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Thanks for the great game Zarix. I don't know how many times I thought in that game I was totally screwed and then a few turns later thinking the opposite. The crappines of my fleets certainly kept me hopping. First I resorted to Intell crew inserection and Food poisoning, then ramming ships, then capture ships and finally satellites. It's tough watching you glass my planets while my main fleet is forced to sit still getting trained. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I wonder how many billion people died in that game. hehe. 5 out of our 6 homeworlds gone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 02, 2003, 14:01: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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Maybe it's mainly that I see far fewer gas giants than rock. I think I always see far fewer of my type of planets than I do the others. I did eventually find a few with my atmosphere, at least a couple more than I did in previous games.