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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agree about the destruction of the Gron homeworld was later in the game, but also they used the Warp Openers to attack this system, and many turns before destroy the system, first they killed some Gron homeworlds with fleets.
Also, the Orks used many times the Planet Destroyers.
Agree 100%, about your point about the Troops. They a must be, and more on this kind of maps, where many planets are placed in the same system.

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Fazrah vs Aquilaeian.

The Aquilaeian defeated the Fazrah before the turn 260. Although the usual problems that my AIs had with intel (specially with this map and settings), they managed to reach the victory.

Here the link: Fazrah_vs_Aquilaeian_C3TB1.zip

Aquilaeian vs Fazrah.

The Fazrah took revenge and defeated the Aquilaeian at the turn 320.

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_Fazrah_C3TB2.zip

Because the Aquilaeian won in less turns, then, got the first place.

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Toron vs Narn.

After another boring game (military alliance between both races), the Narn won by points at the turn 500.
Narn 8.8M and Toron 4.1M

Here the link: Toron_vs_Narn_C6TB1.zip

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Narn vs Toron.

This time, the Toron won by points, at the turn 500.
Toron 6.9M
Narn 4.6M

Here the link: Narn_vs_Toron_C6TB2.zip

Total points after the Tie-Break:

Narn = 8.8 + 4.6 = 13.4M
Toron = 4.1 + 6.9 = 11M

Then, the first place was for the Narn Regime.

Standings in the group C6

Narn Regime 4 Points
Toron 4 Points
Piunond 0 Point

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Final Standings in the Round 3.

GROUP C1 Points
Space Vikings 5
Khrel 3
Namovans 0

GROUP C2 Points
Pyrochette 4
EEE 2
Sallega 0

GROUP C3 Points
Aquilaeian 4 (Won in less turns the TB)
Fazrah 4
Rage 0

GROUP C4 Points
United Flora 4
Cue Cappa 2
Earth Alliance 0

GROUP C5 Points
Tessellate 4
Orks 2
Gron 0

GROUP C6 Points
Narn Regime 4 (Had more points the Tie-Break)
Toron 4
Piundon 0

Then, the Groups for the Round Fourth are:

GROUP D1
Space Vikings
Orks
Toron

GROUP D2
Pyrochette
Khrel
CueCappa

GROUP D3
Aquilaeian
Tessellate
EEE

GROUP D4
United Flora
Narn Regime
Fazrah

Will play 4 games for every AI.
The 2 First AIs in every group, will go to the next round.

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First Game in the Round 4.
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Vikings vs Orks.

The Vikings had not problems to defeat the Orks, at the turn 260.

Here the link: Vikings_vs_Orks_D1.zip

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Pyrochette vs Khrel.

The Pyrochette defeated the Khrel, before the turn 290.
The Pyrochette invaded with success the systems Abrion and Cewandi, and this was the begining of the end for the Khrel.

Here the link: Pyrochette_vs_Khrel_D2.zip

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Aquilaeian vs Tessellate.

A long game.
The Tessellate won at the turn 432.
Although the Aquilaeian needed to deal with the Talisman and Skip Armor weapons, still they offered a good fight to the Tessellate.

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_Tessellate_D3.zip

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Congratulations to all the participants. Win or lose , in Round 3! And much luck in Round 4!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Tessellate's seem to be quite a handful to deal with. How is the AI for them coming? Are you still tweaking them?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I should wrote the same, but was ashamed because I have 3 AIs involved!
Would like to know opinons about what AI probably will win... My personal favorite with this map/game settings, is the United Flora.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I did many tweaks, specially into the research tree.
But the problem is that while the games for the tournament are running, I can't test the Tessellate in the right way... then, think will release the new files, some days after finish the AI Contest.

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United Flora vs Narn Regime.

The United Flora (my personal candidate to win!), defeated without problems the Narn Regime before the turn 250. Think will be difficult for the Narn (due the game settings/map), repeat their good performance in the first contest.

Here the link: UFlora_vs_Narn_D4.zip

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Space Vikings vs Toron.

The Space Vikings defeated the Toron before the turn 310. Like the United Flora, the Vikings are a more strong opponent, playing with "low" bonus.

Here the link: Vikings_vs_Toron_D1.zip

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Pyrochette vs CueCappa.

The CueCappa defeated the Pyrochette at the turn 240. This was the first defeat for the Pyrochette... and they had nothing to do against the CueCappa.

Here the link: Pyrochette_vs_CueCappa_D2.zip

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Aquilaeian vs EEE.

The Aquilaeian defeated the EEE at the turn 440. A long game, and think the Aquilaeian victory was deserved, because during all the game, their had the initiative.

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_EEE_D3.zip

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United Flora vs Fazrah.

The United Flora defeated the Fazrah at the turn 235.
IMHO the Fazrah is one of the best "new" AIs that played this contest, but anyway, the UF killed them very fast!

Here the link: UFlora_vs_Fazrah_D4.zip

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Orks vs Toron.

The Toron had not problems to defeat fast the Orks. They won before the turn 200.

Here the link: Orks_vs_Toron_D1.zip

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">huh?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">huh?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The CueCappa expanded very fast, but also, the Pyrochette ships had strong problems fighting against the CueCappa ships (due the alliegiance subverter and the combat bonus).

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Khrel vs CueCappa.

The CueCappa defeated the Khrel at the turn 300. Until the turn 200, the game was mostly balanced, but the CueCappa always had the initiative, and the Khrel had problems to colonize all of their available planets.
But at the turn 230, the Khrel lost control over Baksha, and some turns later started to lose more systems... then, the game was decided.

Here the link: Khrel_vs_CueCappa_D2.zip

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Would like to know opinons about what AI probably will win... My personal favorite with this map/game settings, is the United Flora!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK! Here are my picks:

GROUP D1 - Toron

GROUP D2 - Pyrochette

GROUP D3 - Tessellate

GROUP D4 - United Flora

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I agree with you, about what should the winners in the Groups D3 and D4, but think the Vikings will win the first group, and the CueCappa the second group!

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Tessellate vs EEE.

The Tessellate defeated the EEE at the turn 400.
At the turn 290 the game was decided, and the EEE only had the systems Cretirk and Devonshire. But for some weird reason, the Tessellate doesn't used their ships to finish the EEE... They created and disbanded fleets without apparent reasons, for many years.
When finally the Tessellate decided to continue the attacks, they had in Cretirk 2 big fleets with more than 400 ships in total... Well, they destroyed the system with these fleets there and for many turns doesn't sent a new fleet to destroy the Devonshire system.
Thus, more later than soon, they won the game at the turn 400.

Here the link: Tessellate_vs_EEE_D3.zip

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Narn vs Fazrah

The Narn defeated by point the Fazrah, at the turn 500.

Here the link: Narn_vs_Fazrah_D4.zip

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Orks vs Vikings.

The Vikings crushed the Orks very fast... they won at the turn 150.

Here the link: Orks_vs_Vikings_D1.zip

[ April 08, 2003, 23:23: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

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Master Belisarius, very odd about the Tessellate vs EEE match. Have any idea what the delay was caused by?

You are probably right with your selections on who is going to win Group 1 and 2. You have 1000's of times more knowledge about AI than I do.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">About the Sun Destroyer, well, the AI never consider how many of their own ships could be inside a system, when decide to blow up this system.
About why the AI disband their fleets, I don't know the reason. It was reported a long time ago, and although think this behavior is less common, still is there.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'm not perferct! For example I believed that the Orks would be unable to defeat the Gron, and they did it!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">About the Sun Destroyer, well, the AI never consider how many of their own ships could be inside a system, when decide to blow up this system.
About why the AI disband their fleets, I don't know the reason. It was reported a long time ago, and although think this behavior is less common, still is there.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have no doubt you will track it down. This is one time I really understood AI. I would love to have the ability to figure out what the minor (even a major) problem with the AI.

I really to admire all of you AI designers! I have a little art ability. But what you guys do is just amazing! Just had to say that!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehehehe, I admire your work and the others that can create so great shipsets.
To do a decent AI you only need time and patience (trial-error, trial-error), but to create shipsets from scratch, you need to be an artist...

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Khrel vs Pyrochette.

The Pyrochette defeated the Khrel at the turn 330. Although the Khrel did some attacks into the Rove system, most the time the Pyrochette had the initiative and won a deserved game.

Here the link: Khrel_vs_Pyrochette_D2.zip

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Tessellate vs Aquilaeian.

The Tessellate defeated the Aquilaeian before the turn 410. Again, the Aquilaeian offered a decent combat but they never would win an one on one game against the Tessellate...

Here the link: Tessellate_Vs_Aquilaeian_D3.zip

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Narn Regime vs United Flora.

The UF did it again: defeated the Narn without problems and very fast... They won at the turn 210.

Here the link: Narn_vs_UFlora_D4.zip

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Toron vs Vikings.

The Vikings had not problems to defeat the Toron. They won at the turn 240, and got the first place in the group D1.

Here the link: Toron_vs_Vikings_D1.zip

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I could be wrong about the Pyrochette... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Starting in the down side of the map, they defeated the CueCappa by points. But I keep my opinion, because think the CueCappa should win the TieBreak.

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CueCappa vs Pyrochette.

The Pyrochette won by points the game, at the turn 500.
The CueCappa had a better start, conquered one of the Pyrochette's systems, and attacked others. The Pyrochette resisted and later invaded the CueCappa's systems, and won a deserved game.

Here the link: CueCappa_vs_Pyrochette_D2.zip

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehehehe, I admire your work and the others that can create so great shipsets.
To do a decent AI you only need time and patience (trial-error, trial-error), but to create shipsets from scratch, you need to be an artist...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK! I will trade you some of my artistic ability, for some true understaning of AI! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Seems you were right about the Toron and Pyrochette. I have MUCH to learn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I predict UF will win the death match 2 title. Not that I really know what I'm talking about, its just a hunch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I also think the UF will win...

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EEE vs Aquilaeian.

The Aquilaeian won at the turn 340.
The EEE had problems to expand... and the Aquilaeian always had the initiative.

Here the link: EEE_vs_Aquilaeian_D3.zip

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Fazrah vs UFlora

As expected, the United Flora had not problems to defeat the Fazrah. They won at the turn 260.

Here the link: Fazrah_vs_UFlora_D4.zip

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I'm changing the rules for the Semi-Final and Final...
Originally to win the semi-final, I wrote that an AI will need to win 3 times, and for the final, 4 times.
But considering the problem with the starting places, I'll change the rules:
For the Semi-Final.
Will play 6 games.
If both AI won 3 games each, will run a tie-break, like already did.
But if one of the AIs won for example 4 games and the other 0, then, will not run the other 2 games.

The same rule for the final, except that I will run 8 games.

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Master Belisarius; Why to you, and others, think the UF are so much superior to the other AI? Maybe I can identify something! Not that will really do me much good.

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CueCappa vs Khrel.

The CueCappa won by points at the turn 500. Although the Khrel controled less planets, the difference of points was not so high.

Here the link: CueCappa_vs_Khrel_D3.zip

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">With the current game settings (one against one, low-bonus), and the custom map that I did (where both AIs can research deep into the tech tree), they can reach all of their potential as Organic/Religious.
Is not easy for others AI races, fight against the Talisman. A human could find a work around, but the AIs can't.
But also does exist other Religious races in the contest: Narn and Tessellate.
The Narn won the previous contest, but currently they have resource problems playing with "low bonus" and this map... also, they already played against the UF and they lost 2 times.
The Tessellate could defeat the UF, thanks their skip armor weapons. But probably the UF would win anyway, because they expand more fast than the Tessellate, and like all my AI races, the Tessellate have problems with research/intel in the current map.

[ April 12, 2003, 14:54: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

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EEE vs Tessellate.

Starting in the upper side, the EEE had big problems to expand... then, the Tessellate won at the turn 170.

Here the link: EEE_vs_Tessellate_D3.zip

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Fazrah vs Narn Regime.

The Narn Regime won by points, at the turn 500. The Fazrah offered a good combat, and most the time was a balanced game.

Here the link: Fazrah_vs_Narn_Regime_D4.zip

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Group D1
Space Vikings 4
Toron 2
Orks 0

Group D2
Pyrochette 3
CueCappa 3
Khrel 0
I will run a Tie-Break to determine the first place.

Group D3
Tessellate 4
Aquilaeian 2
EEE 0

Group D4
United Flora 4
Narn Regime 2
Fazrah 0

Then, the 8 AI that will go to the next round are:

Space Vikings, Toron, Pyrochette, CueCappa, Tessellate, Aquilaeian, United Flora and Narn Regime.
Interesting, but except the Tessellate and CueCappa that have not played the previous contest, the others 6 AIs were under the 8 first AIs in the first contest.

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Master Belisarius, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You just wait until I get the AI done for the Puntherraian's (this is never going to happen). They will rise to the top! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Thanks for the info about the UF!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why not? As I told you, to me is far more hard to do a nice shipset, than a good AI!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif No problem!
Hey, the Pyrochette won the first Tie-reak game against the CueCappa... then, now is probably that you was right and I was wrong, about who would win the Group D2!

[ April 13, 2003, 20:32: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

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Pyrochette vs CueCappa

The Pyrochette won by points at the turn 500.
The CueCappa attacked the Aargau and Ashadra systems, but the Pyrochette attacked the systems Abrion, Cewandi, Cretirk and Cephedri, then, think they got a deserved victory.

Here the link: Pyrochette_vs_CueCappa_D2TB1.zip

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CueCappa vs Pyrochette.

The CueCappa won at the turn 330.
They always had the initiative and the Pyrochette were unable to counter-attack.
Then, the CueCappa got the first place in the Group D2, because they won in 330 turns and the Pyrochette at the turn 500. (Hey mlmbd, at the end, my prediction was right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

Here the link: CueCappa_vs_Pyrochette_D2TB2.zip

Then, here are the 2 Groups for the round 5:

GROUP E1
Space Vikings
Tessellate
Pyrochette
Narn Regime

GROUP E2
CueCappa
United Flora
Toron
Aquilaeian

[ April 14, 2003, 02:47: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]