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possible bug?--i was playing as the federation and all was going great, i ended my turn and went to get a drink and snack--came back and i noticed that one player was still taking its turn, so i waited--and waited--and waited--solid 5 mins and the game was hung up--so i control-alt-deleted and noticed SE iv was not responding, I restarted the ST mod and chose the player that was freezing as a Human player (was the nausicans) noticed that the comp was trying to load mines in satellite bays--got repeated cannot load any more cargo pop-ups. So i started a game as the klingons--and same thing after alot of playing--this time with the Sheliaks. just thaught ud post what happened thougly and see if Doctor McCoy can help???-- heh.Seriously though--any help is appreciated--I really love this mod))--ps playing the unpatched Version--just got internet reconnected and downloading it))
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ya i just found the same thing as lighthorse did, i was playing a game as the borg and had explored the whole map but hardly anyone had expanded, so i tried giving them all my starcharts and they magically started to expand. but i didnt give all races Ancient race trait, when i made a new game i just select reveal map at the random map generator. but thats just a quick fix, u need to somehow make everyone explore... however the hell u do that
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It sounds like a good idea. But you all do realize that if he does this, it will mean that our saved games will not work. He will be changing all of the EMP files and alterning the cost of Ancient Race technology. More than likely he will have to reduce its cost to nothing.
This means that most Human players can also use it. I hate the option, it gives to much away to fast. But the AI's shouldn't be bothered by it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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The most likely reason why AIs expand poorly is the change to the supply system in the mod...
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Hum, is there a way to give the AI a supply bonus that other players, human, do not get? I think so, it would have to be a new trait though. Humans could use it, but if PCP makes it so it can be disabled, then it should be fine for PBW games. What do you think?
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Making it a racial trait might work, but the problem I see with my idea is that it would become available to all. How do you set up the EMP files without using the trait? You can't. Its all or nothing.
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Over in B5 land they're struggling with "convincing" the AI to take enough population to it's newly built colonies. Their idea was to increase the carrying capacity (and expense) of the colony components. However, it seems like the components are "just about right" as they stand for the average human player. My suggestion was to make an "is a computer player" racial trait that includes larger colony components. Then only the computer player could use this crutch/coddling to keep up with human intelligence. I'd suggest this here again... make an "is a computer player" racial trait and load it up with the necessary coddling components, ships, etc.
perhaps a super efficient scout hull that could get them out to 3-4 systems early on (sort of a limited type of Ancient) but just for AI? You can force an AI to build a few in early game, right? If that doesn't work, I guess you could just give them full-blown "Ancient" trait in the "is a computer player" racial trait. And if someone is willing to play with the AI trait on... well that's just sad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I imagine that in most PBW games it would just be "disallowed" for human players. I've no idea if that's helpful, but I hope so. |
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CNC, you can just make it a gentlemans agreement for humans not to take the AI ONLY trait. If someone takes it in a SP game, who cares? Playing SP is cheating anyways cause anything you do overpowers the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And someone taking an explicitly AI-only trait in a PBW game is gonna get ostracized pretty quickly...
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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif What I am saying is that if the trait is added to give the AI a bonus in whatever method he chooses, and he addes this to the General.txt it will also be added to ALL emp files. That means if you select an EMP file for your race, you will automatically have this trait. - Unless, he includes EMP files that do not have the trait, but that would be confusing as all hell.
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Ideas for StarTrek Mod
1.New propulsion components: warp nacelle and impulse drive. 2.New propulsion system. The Cardassian_AI_DesignCreation and Default_AI_DesignCreation have been set to used the new propulsion system and new propulsion components. 3.New Cardassian_AI_DesignCreation file. The Cardassians will make ships now. It seems the Minimum Speed and Desired Speed were set too high before, and the AI would not make ships. 4.New cargo bay and compact cargo bay. It seems a cargo bay component must have the most cargo storage ability or the AI will use a Drone Launcher instead. 5. New sizes for components: supply storage 15kt, emissive armor 15kt and shield generator 30kt. All File Provided. 1058915819.zip Originally posted on July 23, 2003, 7:40 [ July 30, 2003, 13:27: Message edited by: TNZ ] |
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I would like to point out the uselessness of some of the weapons in the this mod...
the Nova Torpedo compared to the quatum torp, which all come at the same levels, is 100% useless, half fire rate, exactly half damage, for a double damage to shields... the double is canceled by the half damage, and then the half fire rate on top of that...... thats just one example, ill post more later... PS: only 8472 having phased shields? |
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Did you use the "Extra Movement Generation" ability for the movement bonus for Captain components. I believe this works fine and does not interfere with engine requirements etc.
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Other things:
Impulse engine in my original concept was a 10kT comp that added extra combat movement as tech level increased. There is no point in giving this comp any map movement, since the whole FTL concept doesn't work out in SE4. Shield Generators were also 20kT, in part to make them more viable on the smaller ship designs to help balance combat between small and large ships. I don't understand the switch to make Dominion PPBs skip armor? I never saw this on the show and plus doesn't the mod use leaky armor anyways? There wouldn't be much difference at all...? Just some points, I intend to take a closer look at the mod later on this week and will make more suggestions. |
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Actually... it seems as if the halving was done the wrong way.
QT III: Cost Minerals := 400 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 80 40 kT Weapon Damage At Rng := 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0 Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Nova Burst III: Cost Minerals := 150 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 30 40 kT Weapon Damage At Rng := 40 40 40 40 40 40 0 Weapon Damage Type := Double Damage To Shields Weapon Reload Rate := 2 So, I retract my earlier statement. The Nova Burst is indeed a useless weapon. The reduction in cost does not justify having 1/4 base firepower against hull and 1/2 against shields. |
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I am really not in the mood to work on the mod right now. I have one update almost ready. It fixes a few things, like cargo and supply usage. The propulsion system is of no concern to me at the moment nor is the adding additional racial techs at that would really be a huge undertaking.
The problem with making Ancient Race an AI technology or trait is: 1. The AI will only use colony ships and no design or build other ships. 2. If the AI surrenders to you, POOF, you get all the star charts. 3. I would have to remake ALL of the EMP files and additional ones like CNC recommended. 4. It will hurt the AI in the long run just like Fyron said. The best option open to me to make the AI expand is to either revamp the entire mod, something I am not willing to do at this point, or trouble shoot. I will increase the supplies available to the AI and add the Cargo concept by TNZ in one form or another. The AI 'should' expand without problems, but it is very tempormental about it. I have had games where the AI expanded just fine, and then other games where it has not. These are all great ideas, and good points, but I am only one man, and I am getting kind of run down with SEIV right now. I know that the mod is solid, that is to say a good mod with a lot of potential. The issues with weapons, components, expansion and other can and will be taken care of over time. If a weapon does not work, offer a suggestion. Most of the weapons were only worked out on paper by Kwok and not really tested in game. There are bound to be issues, and like any thing, they can be fixed. People who have issue with one thing or another, weapons, shields, or whatever, should be aware that they are free to make improvements where they can. I would welcome the help. |
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I wasn't suggesting changing the propulsion system, just injecting a comment to someone else's post re: the current impulse component.
SJ gave me a good reason for using the skip armor option on the PPB as it wouldn't trigger the crystalline ability of the shields! For Captains, if you place components between them, then all Captains of the same family will be visible even when show latest is selected. |
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Thanks Captain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I will swap components around to see what happens. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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Thanks OpenAir. What other races do you think should have this ability?
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personally... all of them...
theres a saying one of the Groups in the Armada comunity made popular, least with me... "balance over realism, repeat ten times" and the nova burst.... quad damage to shields would be a good start... and maybe increase the reload rate on the quatum torp to make it the same as the nova burst, and the rest of the torps... would also help balanced the overpowered quantum... PS Question: does "skips shields and armor" skip phased shields? like a "skips all shields"? or just "skips normal shields"? [ July 31, 2003, 23:22: Message edited by: openair ] |
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It skips all shields...
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A few ideas for the Borg
Take out the need for life support and crew quarters, and have a borg control nexus that would act as a bridge and give a joint combat exp. bonus Also IMO as the borg are a collective, give them their own research facilities that way they will research quicker (and possibly make a very strong opponent, well heres wishing anyway) Also, should the borg have captains? And maybe (dunno if this is already done) have their boarding parties double the strength of other races, that way the assilimation affect would kinda work IMO Borg should also start wit an inf supply source, that way they will definitly be a huge threat, after all, all borg ships can substain themselves Now as Im always Federation I would love to see the Borg made as the strongest race as IMO they are the strongest of all the ST races. This way if I happen to border next to Borg terriorty then I must have defenses or I would be doomed. I say this cos Im currently in game early on (Game Date 2416.4), got two races on my borders with whom Im at war with, and they have nvr attacked me, hell Ive only ever seen one Light Cruiser from one of them which my explorer class starship made mince pie of(anyone want a piece?), and I have it on highest diff. lol And finally on the ideas for the borg Change the ships classes, something I didnt like bout all the other ST mods was the fact of all the bloody cubes being used, the Borg have only 3 types of Cubes, Normal Cube, Tactical Cube and a Fusion Cube(In order of size, smallest to Bigest), oh and If I remember correctly from a ST game, the colony ship is actually pyramid shaped. If you want I can give you all of the Borg class vessels, and I should be able to get hold of some pics And something I've just came to realize, I have just switched to Borg in my game to see how they are doing, well needless to say, they havent even designed any ships let alone built any Now other then borg ideas Have most of the general weapons for general races only and not for all (confusing when u have ur races weapons and general weapons at the same time) As for the engines idea I posted earlier I think it should be left for now as it does work. If you need any help (or maybe a new member to the team *hint hint* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) then just ask and I will gladly accept Well that my 2 cents for now, holla at yer later |
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Name := Phased Shield Generator I Tonnage Space Taken := 60 Tonnage Structure := 60 Cost Minerals := 600 Cost Organics := 50 Cost Radioactives := 50 Tech Area Req 1 := Shields Tech Level Req 1 := 7 Number of Abilities := 3 Ability 1 Type := Phased Shield Generation Ability 1 Descr := Generates [%ShieldPointsGenerated] shield points. Ability 1 Val 1 := 300 Ability 2 Type := Shield Generation From Damage Ability 2 Descr := 10 points of damage per hit will be channeled into the shields. Ability 2 Val 1 := 10 Ability 3 Type := Shield Regeneration Ability 3 Descr := Regenerates 20 shield points per turn. Ability 3 Val 1 := 20 Name := Phased Shield Generator II Tonnage Space Taken := 60 Tonnage Structure := 60 Cost Minerals := 700 Cost Organics := 50 Cost Radioactives := 50 Tech Area Req 1 := Shields Tech Level Req 1 := 8 Number of Abilities := 3 Ability 1 Type := Phased Shield Generation Ability 1 Descr := Generates [%ShieldPointsGenerated] shield points. Ability 1 Val 1 := 400 Ability 2 Type := Shield Generation From Damage Ability 2 Descr := 10 points of damage per hit will be channeled into the shields. Ability 2 Val 1 := 10 Ability 3 Type := Shield Regeneration Ability 3 Descr := Regenerates 30 shield points per turn. Ability 3 Val 1 := 30 Name := Phased Shield Generator III Tonnage Space Taken := 60 Tonnage Structure := 60 Cost Minerals := 800 Cost Organics := 50 Cost Radioactives := 50 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := Shields Tech Level Req 1 := 9 Number of Abilities := 3 Ability 1 Type := Phased Shield Generation Ability 1 Descr := Generates [%ShieldPointsGenerated] shield points. Ability 1 Val 1 := 500 Ability 2 Type := Shield Generation From Damage Ability 2 Descr := 15 points of damage per hit will be channeled into the shields. Ability 2 Val 1 := 15 Ability 3 Type := Shield Regeneration Ability 3 Descr := Regenerates 40 shield points per turn. Ability 3 Val 1 := 40 suggested extension to the shield tech... [ August 01, 2003, 01:17: Message edited by: openair ] |
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Under the newest patch all of the races appear to be expanding quite well.
Turn 8472 - (25) 2 systems (50) 4 systems (100) 7 Borg - (25) 3 systems (50) 3 systems(100) 7 Breen - (25) 3 systems (50) 6 systems (100) 9 Cardassian - (25) 5 systmes (50) 12 systems (100) 18 Dominion - (25) 4 systems (50) 6 systems (100) 13 Federation - (25) 4 systems (50) 7 systems (100) 7 Ferengi - (25) 5 systems (50) 8 systems (100) 12 Klingon - (25) 2 systems (They did not expand past this) Romulan - (25) 3 systems (50) 8 systems (100) 7 Tholian - (25) 4 systems (50) 8 systems (100) 10 Here is the latest info on the next patch. Star Trek Mod v1.0.5 1. - Fixed Error in Cargo Bay V 2. - Increased Cargo Storage Abilities for Cargo Bay I - V (100, 150, 200, 250, 300) 3. - Increased Range of Nova Burst I - III 4. - Decreased Reload rate of Nova Burst I - III from 2 to 1 5. - Corrected Spelling error of Small Efficent Impulse Engine 6. - Increased Range of Gravimetric Torpedo I - III 7. - Decreased Reload rate of Gravimetric Torpedo I - II from 2 to 1 8. - Changed Weapon Damage Type of Plasma Torpedo I - V from Normal to Skips All Shields (More to the design of the weapon used by the Romulans) 9. - Increased Range of Plasma Burst I - III 10. - Reduced Reload rate for Plasma Burst I- III from 2 to 1 11. - Increased Range of Crystalline Torpedo I - V 12. - Decreased Reload rate of Crystalline Torpedo I - V 13. - Changed Pulse Phaser I - VI from Normal Weapon Damage to Skips Armor 14. - Reduced Pulse Phaser I - VI Tonage Space and Structure from 20 to 10 15. - Changed Pulse Phaser I - VI Weapon Display from Torp to Beam 16. - Reduced Small Pulse Phaser I - III Weapon Display from Torp to Beam 17. - Changed Small Pulse Phaser I - III from Normal Weapon Damage to Skips Armor 18. - Increased Quantum Singlarity Beam I - III Damage at Range from 5 to 15 each 19. - Removed All but the Combat Captains components. (Will add revised one back in later) 20. - Changed The Reload rate for Quantum Torpedo I - V from 1 to 2 Star Trek Mod v1.0.4 1. - Reduced Tonage of Mini Positron Torpedo I - IV from 20 to 10 2. - Incresed Range of Mini Positron Torpedo I - IV 3. - Decreased Reload rate for Mini Positron Torpedo I - IV from 2 to 1 4. - Added Master Computer I - III back to the mod by popular request 5. - Changed Racial Trait Ancient Race cost from 1000 to 0 (For use with AI's) 6. - Changed Supply amount used on Impulse Engines I - V to 5 each 7. - Increased Supply Storage Ability for Impulse Engines I - V 8. - Added Supply Amount Used 50 to Transwarp Drive Star Trek Mod v1.0.3 1. - Added AI_DesignCreation files to Ktarians, Nausicaan, Sheliak, and Tamarian Races 2. - Replaced All Race AI_DesignCreation files 3. - Fixed Federation Race Portrait and Mini image so that numbers show up better. (White on white did not work well) 4. - Changed The Color of the Main Icons boarder to yellow 5. - Changed The Color of the Order Icons to Green 6. - Fixed Error in 8472 General.txt 7. - Fixed Errors in Breen General.txt 8. - Fixed Error in Ferengi General.txt 9. - Made New Breen 5k EMP file to replace bad one |
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The Star Trek Mod Version 1.0.6
This latest Version seems to fix the expansion problems and improves weapons range and usage. Bug reports are always welcome as are suggestions. Please Enjoy the mod. |
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If you really want, I could write a VehicleSize.txt for the borg so all you have to do is copy it, I will get the pictures sorted also
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Sounds Good DZ. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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One thing, how many Ship Classes do you want, I can give you quite a few
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So you know I have started on the size file, and The borg vessels I have dont require life support or crew quarters, it does require a bridge (this can be removed but I fail to see why it should be)
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PCP this latest patch is working great. I did notice one thing though, The Borg Repair III is given at the same time as Borg Repair II.
Hey if it was up to me I would have no more than 6 ships per race. This can be done simply enough, include all ships as needed by the game, then include the ships you want to use for the mod. This will work a lot better than trying to name new ships. The Federation would have more ships because they do, but their largest would be equal to all of the other races. They would just have more ships with different sizes. I will post a list later. (You could use your new Star Trek images for this.) |
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If it was upto me I would have loads of ship classes (I prefer the long games that take me weeks to do)
For the Borg as far I have 9 ship classes (so if implemented Atrocities will need to add 2 to the Borg Ship Tech lvls), 1 shuttle and a colony ship I am currently lookin at wot would make good carriers and transport Oh and also I have a Borg StarBase that you would see in UniMatrix One |
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I now have a Transport and carrier, For now there is only 1 of each, Im just sorting out the images for all the classes and then I will put a link up so Atrocities can take a look at it
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Something is fishy about shield regenerators in the mod. They're called regenerative shields. Regenerative shields I-III require you to research borg shields tech to levels 6-8 respectively(BTW, those are the only components you get for researching borg shields). Levels IV&V require you to research shields tech to levels 9&10. The problem is that borg shields tech has a maximum level of 5, so actually you don't get *anything* for researching it. Shields tech has a maximum level of 6, so you can't research it high enough to get the regenerative shields. I guess these things aren't deliberately left inaccesible.
Another thing: small incenerator beams require borg high-energy weapons as a prerequisite when they should require borg energy weapons. Also, the WMG-equivelants of different races probably should get their range increased, after all their describtion talks about long range and some weapons described as medium range outrange them(for example the neural disrupter) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Flux pods I-V you get from 8472 stellar harnessing all have a tech level requirement of 1. [ August 01, 2003, 11:37: Message edited by: J. ] |
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Atrocities the Borg files are here
http://www.angelfire.com/trek/chrisnewton/Borg.zip Check thro it, I think I may have over done some of the hull sizes, lol |
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You got to love it when you report a bug and within a day or so it is taken care of.
PCP when do you think you might redo the ship classes for the Borg or other races? |
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hey DZ, I like the ships, but they're a little dark on my screen. Especially important is the minis, as that's what I'm gonna need to see when trying to find them on my system map.
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Ok, done, still same link to d/l them
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If ppl want I will look into doing the same thing Ive done wit the borg to Federation, Klingons and Romulans
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DZ I can tell you right now PCP will not use ships from other sources than what he currently has available. Its his ships and sets or no deal. To many problems have popped up in the past with arseholes and such.
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If anyone is interested, I found this site
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Thanks DZ for the borg info. Those ships are from SFC are they not?
I am hard at work on the 1.0.7 patch and should have it out sometime today or tomorrow. It will fix a few more bugs and spelling errors. I really like what DZ has done with the Borg Vehicle sizes and will more than likely be including it in a later patch. Right now I just want to get the mod to work well with what it currently has. CNC that is a good idea, but to complicated for me to bother with for now. Thanks again for the feed back all. Keep the ideas and bug reports coming. PS CNC that issues with the Borg was already brought to my attention. Thanks though. |
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