Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Snowcat:
I think the gold costs are fine as is - its the resource costs that don't make much sense.

No one should buy samurai archers anyway. Even if you de-nerfed them, they'd be a marginal and highly situational unit at best. In the high armor LA a longbow doesn't mean much, and if you're casting flaming arrows you want cheap massable archers, not 20 resource ones.

The top units right now are aka-oni, go-hatamoto, cavalry, and yamabushi. There is some place for ashigaru and samurai with naginata. Everything else is basically useless.

The o-ban and katana samurai are not salvageable in any obvious way because their thematic space is occupied by superior units - there's only so much you can do with the concept of 'armored guy wielding a sword'.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

I think these are good suggestions.

It would also be good if Tatsu was boosted in some way. It is a very nice-looking summon, but with its current cost it will never ever be summoned. Especially after removal of bloodstones.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Another suggestion: remove upkeep from summons. Its annoying, and prevents some of them from being used much at all. It also doesn't even make much thematic sense.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Removing the upkeep costs from sea trolls and trolls would also have the side effect of making conjuration a better school to research, and of helping to boost those nations that have strong earth/water mages. Water could use the boost. Earth is quite good already, but it probably wouldn't hurt. I would think that this would definitely be a good thing.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Although I don't think it's possible to find on random maps, trolls can be assigned as native to a province on user-made maps and then hired for gold. Making trolls upkeep free would also put their gold cost at 0 at such provinces, unless duplicate units were made.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Yeah although it's a theme of the troll summons, it does make them pretty annoying. Suiciding the troll kings troops just to get rid of them, for instance.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

Fixable with mod commands, to a great extent. Also I think that's so rare a clash it should be ignored.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

There is a uncommon earth magic site that allows you to recruit trolls. Getting them for 0 gp could be considered somewhat OP.

Although just modding that site out of the game is pretty trivial.

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

The site is actually not overpowered at all because trolls are very, very costly in upkeep. I should know, I got this site in a MP once and went wow, trolls, recruit, recruit and then wondered where all my gold went to to recruit any future mages.:o:D

Re: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6
 

That doesn't make sense meglobob. The trolls cost the same upkeep to price as everything else.

If they cost 0 gold, as burn said, the site would be ridiculous.