Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

That's clearly excellent way of discussion - naming 1 example which isn't applicable for most cases (i.e., nations) and then making broad conclusions from that. Thanks for making my point for me. :D

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

Sorry, it seems that 48 hours a turn would be needed now for me at least. :(

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

We're now at 40. Does it really make much difference?

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

We are currently at 40 hours, and will be going to 48 hours automatically in 5 more turns. Not a big deal for me, I can wait the 5 turns and am fine as is, but I will understand if a majority of people feel they cannot make the interval as it stands. Wouldn't want anyone staling over 8 hours. So up to you guys really.

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

Having 48 hours may really help me this week-end so I vote yes.

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

The original point was not pretenders, but that vanilla games aren't balanced.

I think Agartha is the best example of that. But there are hundreds more.

Tarts.
Bane Swords
Seduction
Fighting in the arena...

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

CBM games are not balanced as well. Although I really respect CBM and don't have anything against it, saying that CBM is balanced is just funny. Well, it is more balanced than vanilla maybe, also it opens many new strategies (and does this much better than actually balancing) but many nations are still crappy and many are still uber. And the removal of gem generators increased this difference even more for nations like Machaka, MA Oceania or MA Ulm. Well, this game is just unbalanced as it is and to really balance it you need to sacrifice thematic aspects which obviously neither the devs nor QM want to do.

What about Bane swords and fighting at arena, btw? What does CBM change about these?

Regarding the gorgon, my 2 cents. Yes, gorgon for 50 points is really cheap but does it become really easy to win with Pan when you have the, let's say, EXNXA2 Gorgon (one of the most powerful builds)? No, it doesn't. And if the gorgon in vanilla is so uber, why doesn't it let Pangaea win here, there and everywhere? Just because it doesn't. And when we say something is uber and should be nerfed, we should probably look at it in the context of the nation.
But, YES, the Gorgon does make Sauromatia ultimately powerful and, of course, 50-point gorgon even more so. But not Pangaea. And when you nerf Sauro by increasing the cost of the Gorgon, you make the life of Pangaea (which is not too sweet) in all 3 eras even harder. And this doesn't bring more balance in general.

And regarding Agartha, especially MA Agartha. How does CBM help them by increasing the cost of another "uber" thing, the Risen Oracle? Is the Risen Oracle immensely powerful? Yes! Does it make Agartha uber? No.
In my opinion, in CBM MA (and maybe EA) Agartha, Machaka and LA (and maybe the others) Pangaea, MA (and EA) C'tis, MA Ulm and the others are much, much worse than they are in vanilla.

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

I agree with many of your points ano. Thats why in the balance mod(shameless plug) I tried to give benes to the nations most affected if you turned off gem generators.

I dont' think that CBM is particularly nation balanced, but it is somewhat better balanced in a fashion that allows different units, and different strategies to be employed.

As for the gorgon, I agree completely. I increased the cost of the gorgon pretender, but then I added a pangean national version that was cheaper.

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

CBM is good in many aspects, I don't argue with that but it is not balanced. And regarding the gem generators, I understand why people don't like them - they lead to games full of micro that often end in draws because people get tired or in Armageddon+GoH wins. While the first problem doesn't look like a problem to me at all (because I don't play much and devote much time to the game I play) the latter really is a problem. And it could be easily solved by banning Armageddon.

Oh, well... This discussion should probably have appeared in another thread but I do not want to prove anything to anybody. People play the game they like

Re: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. In Progress.
 

Btw, chris, when will you return to the game? Or are you already in?