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minipol October 11th, 2003 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by minipol:
... And involving my country:
Belgium - Russia 4-3 WC 1986
Belgium was bigtime underdog in this tourney and they finished 4th.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I still full with rage about that game. Two clear offside goals and we were denied the deserved victory http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ha! We Belgians always got sh*ty refs. Last WC, we had to play against Brazil (anybody remember that game). They weren't overclassing us at all. Then this ref from turns down a goal form Wilmots. A legitimate goal!!!
The WC before that same story. They should really incorporate some system like they have in american football where a team can challenge a decision and the ref goes to the sidelines to watch the replay. If that system existed in football, we would have been 1-0 ahead against a Brazilian team that was playing subpar for their standards.

Alpha Kodiak October 11th, 2003 03:00 PM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
To throw in my two cents, I was playing soccer in grade school over 30 years ago and loved to play the game. I would much rather play soccer than football (like I could play either now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ), but I would much rather watch football. Not really sure why, must be some weird, twisted glitch in the American Psyche.

Although, I'm a bit like Geo. I really prefer baseball (especially the year the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees in the World Series http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif ). It is more of a slow paced thinking game. Kind of like SEIV vs. Starcraft.

oleg October 11th, 2003 03:20 PM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
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... Then this ref from turns down a goal form Wilmots. A legitimate goal!!!
The WC before that same story. They should really incorporate some system like they have in american football where a team can challenge a decision and the ref goes to the sidelines to watch the replay...[/QB]
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wonder about it too. The generic FIFA comment "it will slow the game" or "it will undermine the referee" does not hold any water IMHO. Games are already overstreach 90 minuts and few more to allow the chalenge will not make any difference. Americans have an inbreed sense of justice and it is reflected in sport refeering. FIFA is an aristocratic untouchable family. It can become really nasty. Italy and Spain are real powerhouses in Football but get drowned by corrupted referees in WC2002 because of the unholly money influx from home team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Just my IMHO of course., but all those referee decisions stink really badly.

SPAIN SHOULD BE THE REAL WC FiNALIST !!!!!!

minipol October 11th, 2003 03:48 PM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
Oleg, i'm with ya. My interest in soccer has gone down a lot because of these stupid refs. Really, all respect to refs. But they have to do something about it. Maybe add another ref. And DEFINITELY add camera support.
I mean, come'on. When i see a stupid mistake of a ref that really has a big impact on the game, i switch channels because i get so mad of the injustice that i start to boil.
That's what i like about football. 7 refs, cam support. Nicely paid professional refs.

TerranC October 11th, 2003 05:33 PM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
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Originally posted by oleg:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">... Then this ref from turns down a goal form Wilmots. A legitimate goal!!!
The WC before that same story. They should really incorporate some system like they have in american football where a team can challenge a decision and the ref goes to the sidelines to watch the replay...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wonder about it too. The generic FIFA comment "it will slow the game" or "it will undermine the referee" does not hold any water IMHO. Games are already overstreach 90 minuts and few more to allow the chalenge will not make any difference. Americans have an inbreed sense of justice and it is reflected in sport refeering. FIFA is an aristocratic untouchable family. It can become really nasty. Italy and Spain are real powerhouses in Football but get drowned by corrupted referees in WC2002 because of the unholly money influx from home team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Just my IMHO of course., but all those referee decisions stink really badly.

SPAIN SHOULD BE THE REAL WC FiNALIST !!!!!!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I can just see where somebody could take this a step further. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ October 11, 2003, 16:34: Message edited by: TerranC ]

oleg October 11th, 2003 05:49 PM

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I think 99% of football fans with agree with you, Minipol. The question is how to make it parctical.

Small and almost unrelated observation. I watched Brazilian football and referee always marked the kick spot with the instant paint. Nothing like this take place in Europe. Why ? Who knows. Help corrupted referees ? - I have no other explanation for this stupitidy either.

oleg October 12th, 2003 01:24 AM

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Yes, it is a stupid debate, but why not have it, it is just for fun, right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

For the record, I hate MU. I'm a Liverpool guy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Otherwise I would alredy tell that in Last 10 years MU sell enough replica shirts to cloth the whole male population of US http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Oh, sorry, my math mistake here. MU sell only 1.8M shirts per year only ($50-$70 each). Still impressive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ October 11, 2003, 12:51: Message edited by: oleg ]

DavidG October 12th, 2003 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
And like it or not, in all but about 10 countries in this world, profit is the universal measuring stick.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow talk about a load of bullcrap.

DavidG October 12th, 2003 02:01 AM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
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Originally posted by oleg:
Yes, it is a stupid debate, but why not have it, it is just for fun, right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hehe no kidding. I can't beleive you guys have turned this into a serious argument. I only started posting here becuase it was so obviously an unwinnable argument so is fun to yank some chains. Now you want to see a really exciting sport instead of a bunch of millionaires 'doing their job' come and join me tomorrow at the Word Cycling Championships in Hamilton.
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Thermodyne October 12th, 2003 02:13 AM

Re: OT: why football is better than American football
 
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Originally posted by DavidG:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Thermodyne:
And like it or not, in all but about 10 countries in this world, profit is the universal measuring stick.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow talk about a load of bullcrap.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">OK Lets hear your reason.


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