Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This France-bashing is getting even more stale than yesterdays baguettes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry but thats BS. Europe know when to quit diplomacy with hitler. Instead they gave him a more powerful position and the rest is history. as far as stable, I don't think the US is unstable. I might not be following you on this tho. To be fair, I believe there are equal amounts of blame on both sides in regards to us drifting apart. Neither wants to reason

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

Going back to the high-speed torpedo for a moment, while it could be a useful weapon system if it really works, I hardly think it is going to make a huge difference in the balance of naval power. Since the problem it is supposed to address is that Russian subs have inferior sonar to US subs, and I believe US subs are also quieter than Russian ones, how are they going to know where to shoot their fancy torpedoes? It's almost like handing a rifle to a deaf man in a dark room and telling him to defend himself from the hungry tiger that is hunting for him. If he happens to hit it, great, but I wouldn't give him real good odds.

Mind you, it could be very effective against surface ships, assuming that the Vikings and Orions don't catch wind of the sub before it gets into range. Also, if it does become an effective weapon system, someone will figure out a way to counter it.

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And you do realize why scenes like the one you describe above happens, right?

It's because the Americans are richer. That means that a lot of retards have money to travel, while their European counterparts have no choice but to stay home.

The same with computers. A lot of less than brilliant Americans have access to the web, and they post a lot of nonsense around, but when you find someone from another country, odds are he is from the educated elite, or at least the upper middle class.

Also, there are more Americans than French, so for every French retard you should get 4 American retards.

Imagine now if all the Chinese would have access to the web http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . We would have a very bad opinion of them.

Numbers are numbers, any way you put it.

[ April 08, 2004, 13:15: Message edited by: Yef ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey! I beg to differ!! I'm from Holland and that's the most important country in Europe (Hey, it the truth...) and I have more than enough money to travel. But I'm mostly occupied with work. So you could say the Americans are to busy doing nothing... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey the counteraction is quite simple... just put a ship in front of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your argument doesn't really hold, because there are plenty of other countries have equal or higher internet uptake than the US.

According to the CIA world factbook 2002:
US: 165.75m internet Users out of 290m total population = approx 57.2%

Here are just some other countries at similar levels:

Canada: 16.84 out of 32.2 = 52%
Australia: 10.63 out of 20 = 53%
South Korea: 25.6 out of 48.2 = 53.1%
UK: 34.3 out of 60.1 = 57.1%
Norway: 2.7 out of 4.5 = 60%
Netherlands: 9.73 out of 16.1 = 60.4%
Switzerland: 4.82 out of 7.3 = 66%
Denmark: 3.37m out of 5m = 67.4%
Sweden: 6.0 out of 8.9 = 67.4%

As you can see, by your theory, it's the scandinavians who should get the worst reputation for Online cretins.

If anyone has more up to date/ more commprehensive figures than these, please post them.

[ April 08, 2004, 15:30: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

Dogscoff: Thanks for putting in my beloved homecountry.

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This France-bashing is getting even more stale than yesterdays baguettes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry but thats BS. Europe know when to quit diplomacy with hitler. Instead they gave him a more powerful position and the rest is history. as far as stable, I don't think the US is unstable. I might not be following you on this tho. To be fair, I believe there are equal amounts of blame on both sides in regards to us drifting apart. Neither wants to reason </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Newb;
Thank you newb for the polite tone of your post. Kinda makes this much easier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
History is great, I suggest you study it a bit before you quote it and call my post for Bull****.

True, WWII was a diplomatic failure. But the mistake was not done in 1938-39, but in 1918 at the end of WWI. The emasculation of Germany made a rematch more or less inevitable. Sure; the buildup could be handled much better, but Chamberlain putting his foot down in 38 would not have stopped Hitler, it only would have made the war different. Better or worse, who knows ?

Most of the blame for the early failures in the war should be given to the prewar millitary planners in France (especially) and England. They totally missed 20 years of technological development and expected WWII to be a rerun of WWI. When the Blitzkrieg came, they was totally unprepared. The failure of the politicians was not lack of funding, but the lack of guts to remove the old WWI generals from power. But I disgress...

There was an importent lesson learned from the failure of 1918 that was remembered by the victors of WWII: However a war/conflict ends, make sure to not create a power vacuum when its over. This can either be done Stalins way; with an Iron fist, or the Roosevelt(Truman)/Churchill (or more correct Marshall) way; by rebuilding the concuered nations from the ground.

This lesson is still remembered by the Europeans (some 50 million deaths over 2 wars in 30 years leaves it mark). This is also why most Europeans did not support GWB's moronic invation of Iraq. Allthough getting rid of one mad dictator is a worthy cause, doing so without planning for a better alternative just makes things worse. GWB's feeble attempts at rebuilding is just patethic; It would have taken 10 times the amount money currently spent (not to mention spending it in Iraq instead of lining the pockets of his friends) to succed. The options left is either continious occupation the Stalin way or leaving creating the dreaded power vacuum which would probably be filled by some religious fanatic. Oups, I disgress again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Back to my point. Europe has not moved a bit. European policy is exactly as it was under Clinton (and before). Europe is still a strong supporter of the UN and of international law. When GWB decided to sidestep international law, he stepped away from Europe. When USA is ready to come back, they will be wellcome. Untill then; relationships suffers, the economies suffers (yours more than ours), the people of Iraq suffers and international terrorism continues to rise. Quite a legacy for one man.

Puke:
Sorry for hijacking the thread again (not really) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Atrocities:
Why would we want Kerry, he has not done anything wrong (yet). If we could get his wife and punish her for the sins of her family that would have been another matter. Forcing ketchup on the world must rank among the most hideous crimes ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Dogscoff:
Its the Sweedes and the Danes, not all Scandinavians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your argument doesn't really hold, because there are plenty of other countries have equal or higher internet uptake than the US.

According to the CIA world factbook 2002:
US: 165.75m internet Users out of 290m total population = approx 57.2%

Here are just some other countries at similar levels:

Canada: 16.84 out of 32.2 = 52%
Australia: 10.63 out of 20 = 53%
South Korea: 25.6 out of 48.2 = 53.1%
UK: 34.3 out of 60.1 = 57.1%
Norway: 2.7 out of 4.5 = 60%
Netherlands: 9.73 out of 16.1 = 60.4%
Switzerland: 4.82 out of 7.3 = 66%
Denmark: 3.37m out of 5m = 67.4%
Sweden: 6.0 out of 8.9 = 67.4%

As you can see, by your theory, it's the scandinavians who should get the worst reputation for Online cretins.

If anyone has more up to date/ more commprehensive figures than these, please post them. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, you prove my whole point.
US population with internet access: 165 millions
Combined total of countries that you mention: 113 millions

So the combined population with access from those countries doesn't even add to a total equal to the US pop with internet services, and since we think of people individually by each nationality they represent....

Just to put an example according to your numbers, you are likely to find 10 Americans for every Canadian Online, which of course give you odds of finding 10 American retards per every single Canadian in the same "group". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Thanks for backing my argument with numbers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ April 08, 2004, 19:08: Message edited by: Yef ]

Re: Russia new wonder weapon?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't forget that this is only a top 10. There are far more people in the world with internet access combined that there are Americans. Just don't feel so bitten. The Americans are just a rollmodel for all the other part of the world hates. And not undeserved I might add, but that is just my vision.