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BigJMoney September 23rd, 2005 07:09 PM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
Here is my newbie story. I had only played one game until I read this thread. It was Caelum as my first Empire (suggestions? good/bad choice for newbs?) I got hammered into dust. Reading this thread, I decided to play on that downloadable "Talis" map. As a side note -- THAT MAP ROCKS FOR NEWBIES! Ehem. Okay, so I went with Machaka, because everyone is saying Carrion Forest is pretty easy, etc. Also, I kept all the game options default; no easy research or ANYTHING to handicap the AI. I set up one opponent, an EASY AI Mictlan. I probably could have made it one or two levels higher, though. I used this Lamia Queen/Lamia strategy and I crushed them. They didn't even have a chance.

I was using a level 10 Nature only Dragon (50pts, woot!), so I could use my pretender to help in an emergency. I also took adv of his holy blessings, and started a 10 dark hunter army with my prophet. This was my main attack force for most of the game. At the end of the game (and only then!) did I build two forts near my enemy's front door and start pumping out troops to absorb casualties so my Lamias and Blessed Hunter Spiders could get their job done. Mainly armies made of light inf
(I think), but also Spider knights for a little more staying power.

From day 1 I was hiring Sorceresses for research purposes. I also had a Magic 3 dominion to help with this. Later in the game, this map had some sages I made use of, but I don't think it did anything because I had all my Lamias and Gift of Health already going. I did very, very little army recruiting in the beginning game, other than my holy regenerating, berserking spiders! I think I sent my starting troops to go with them, and maybe buffed them a tad. I know many of them ended up being 2 star grunts at some point in the game. I used no heroes effectively. I tried to; I even equipped them, but their attack AI along with soldiers was really crappy.

Naresh, the real trick for me was definitely playing on Talis. If it weren't such a boring strategy, I'd do it again against a HARD AI and see if I can do it. I think I'm going to diss Machaka for a while, though. I don't really like them :-P. From what I hear about Carrion Woods, I'd like Pangea even less. My next several games will probably be astonishing losses, but hey. Anyway, if you ever want someone to MP, I'd love to. Maybe even a co-op scenario! That would be cool.

=$= Big J Money =$=

High_Priest_Naresh September 24th, 2005 03:46 AM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
bigjmoney try the thread calling all players were missing a player

Endoperez September 24th, 2005 06:53 AM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
Congratulations about the victory, and some points:

10 Nature Dragon isn't as good at summoning Lamias as 9 Nature (green) Naga. That one gets a Lamia summoning bonus, can use more items in battle and still has pretty good stats. The 10th pick of magic costs a lot, so Nature 9 would probably been enough. You would have gotten 1 lamia less pre summoning, and you units would have only lost the last point of berserk from their blessing.
Machaka Hoplites are very good infantry, and Machaka Archers are very cheap. You can make lots and lots of them, and your Black Sorcerors can cast Flaming Arrows... You researched Enchantment any way for Gift of Health, and it would have only taken some extra gems, or casting Phoenix Power first, or lucky Black Sorcerer with his random in Fire, or research in construction and Flaming Skull (1Fire 1Death miscellanous item, boosts Fire by 1) to be able to cast it in all major battles.

sushiboat September 24th, 2005 07:35 AM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
Quote:

BigJMoney said:
Reading this thread, I decided to play on that downloadable "Talis" map. As a side note -- THAT MAP ROCKS FOR NEWBIES!

I always use Talis when I play a new land nation or try out a Pretender very different from ones I have played before. I often don't finish the game. I play long enough to see where I have made major mistakes and then start over. (See Ten Turn Challenge! for ideas about playing a strong early game.) When I have mastered a particular setup on Talis, I move on to Aran with three opponents -- which is fewer than recommended, but it works well in terms of how much time you have to develop before your first war. Also, Inland is a great wraparound map that is smaller than Orania. The problem with big maps for playtesting is that you can play a lot of bad turns before getting feedback.

High_Priest_Naresh September 24th, 2005 07:36 AM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
I like!!!

PDF September 24th, 2005 06:29 PM

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High_Priest_Naresh said:
33 turns... turn 35 now

I'm puzzled...You say you were playing against the comp, and on turn 33-35 "Ulm has built a castle in oak of all ages defended by about 100 black plate infantries 50 trolls 4 troll kings 30 mech. men and 5 golems!"
That's just not possible any AI did that in 35 turns... [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

shovah September 24th, 2005 06:55 PM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
thought comp didnt like castles

Arralen September 24th, 2005 07:03 PM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
@shovah
Actually, the AI loves castles and tries everything to conquer one as soon as it is spotted.
Saldy, the AI can't build castles, not in one and not in 10 turns!
But it is quite good in finding earth sites which give one for free - especially Ulm.
And oc. there are always those random events ...

@PDF
With high sites and richness setting, the AI has little problem building such an army... with a high (random) astral 'draw' on the pretender it's even quite possible it build those golems early

BigJMoney September 24th, 2005 08:16 PM

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Quote:

...and you units would have only lost the last point of berserk from their blessing.

I don't want to get too far off subject here, but what do the bonuses for berserk represent? I thought it was an absolute benefit -- they simply don't ever rout.

=$=

quantum_mechani September 24th, 2005 08:29 PM

Re: I have never won a sp game...
 
Quote:

BigJMoney said:
Quote:

...and you units would have only lost the last point of berserk from their blessing.

I don't want to get too far off subject here, but what do the bonuses for berserk represent? I thought it was an absolute benefit -- they simply don't ever rout.

=$=

Each level of berzerk gives +1 attack, +1 strength, +1 protection and -1 defense when berzerking.


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