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Tuidjy April 28th, 2008 12:13 PM

Re: Best item
 
I'm moderately sure that the damage is a constant value that does not depend
on the commander's strength. For some reason, Firebrand seems way more effective
against troops with neither resistance, which makes me believe that the fire damage
is armour piercing while the cold is not.

Jazzepi April 28th, 2008 12:14 PM

Re: Best item
 
Quote:

Endoperez said:
They use the weapon effects "small area fire", "small are frost" etc. I don't know how powerful those effects are.

My general impression has been that the AoE effect off of those weapons does somewhere in the range of 6-7 damage. Enough to kill a normal human solider, and therefore clear an a single square with three of them in it, with two attacks from the AoE weapon.

Jazzepi

Gregstrom April 28th, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: Best item
 
From the db:

Small Area Fire is a 14 point AP attack. Small Area Cold is a 12 point AP attack.

Interestingly, Ember's Small Area Frost and Fire is a 15 point AP attack with no cold tag, followed by Small Area Fire.
Is this a db error or a bug?

Edi April 28th, 2008 04:53 PM

Re: Best item
 
14 ap fire and 12 ap cold respectively. So fire brand is clearly superior of the two. AP+AP damage, with the second AP being higher than the frost equivalent and less units that are immune to it.

Edi April 28th, 2008 04:57 PM

Re: Best item
 
Quote:

Gregstrom said:
From the db:

Small Area Fire is a 14 point AP attack. Small Area Cold is a 12 point AP attack.

Interestingly, Ember's Small Area Frost and Fire is a 15 point AP attack with no cold tag, followed by Small Area Fire.
Is this a db error or a bug?

DB error, it should have the cold tag. Thanks for catching that.

Gregstrom April 28th, 2008 05:21 PM

Re: Best item
 
My pleasure :-)

chrispedersen April 28th, 2008 11:37 PM

I agree on the superiority of the brands
 
just recall that there are several small area fires - and without investigating them carefully (for other weapons or effects) it may not be the ap14 version.

Gregstrom April 29th, 2008 04:37 AM

Re: I agree on the superiority of the brands
 
The db disagrees with you there - there may be different weapons with the effect, but they appear to use the same effect each time.

Edi April 29th, 2008 07:28 AM

Re: I agree on the superiority of the brands
 
They all use the same SAF effect, since there is just one of those. Don't believe me, you're free to mod units to have different weapons starting from 1 and going up to 500+ so you can see for yourself, chris.

fictionfan May 15th, 2008 02:27 AM

Re: Best item
 
Armor of virtue you can put it on a mage have him cloud trapeze and cast wrathful skies. You can do it every turn and kill army after army. In fact I would like to know a counter to it.


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