Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

Slight correction: your opponent can *force* a gamble. His job is to mess you up, that's why he's called the enemy. I don't really like VotD thematically (I think you should wake up from the nightmare at round 50) but it's not a problem IMO if your opponent has options for low-probability instant kills. Dominions is explicitly designed so that a lowly slinger can kill a Doom Horror with a single stone with the right rolls. Total invulnerability is boring and unthematic.

(I wish resistances didn't go up to 100% for the same reason.)

-Max

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

A slinger cannot. But I was like OMG once, when barbarians killed my Archdevil. He stood amongst them imprevious, and then just died... It took me almost an hour to notice that my opponent has armed one of barbarian chiefs with a flamebeau and he scored an instant kill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

A slinger can, that's the whole point of open-ended die rolls.

-Max

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

A VoTD honey pot is just that.

An SC that you specically kill chaff with, to keep his kill count high. Then you outfit him with your favorite methods of undead slaying.

Keep your VotD honeypot with your other SC.. and any VotD cast on the territory hits the honeypot.

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

So what do you propose as an unlimited-amounts-of-undead-slayer-around-turn-20-to-40?

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

What kind of undead are those that attack during the dream?

Having carcator the pocket lich would serve as double protection though.. he would kill off many creatures on his own and with death 5 he can put a serious hurt on a whole lot of undead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Would having a high reach weapon and blood vengence work very well? It seems like that would kill off a whole lot of the undead in a hurry plus make it less likely an enemy spellcaster will want to try and do much to the sc...

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

The only way to kill off *unlimited* amounts of undead is BE. Fire Brand + Quickening + Charcoal Shield *might* be able to handle around 300.

-Max

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

Well, if they hit you with it again, you've now got to face 600.

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

That was kind of my problem with the honeytrap idea.

You have to be able to mass produce SCs capable of dealing with first enough chaff to attract it's attention over the real SC, then you're going to want the above Firebrand, quickness, Fire Shield combo to actually kill the undead, plus as much MR as possible to reduce the number of VotD that actually affect you -- to reduce the doubling affect of VotD.

And you've got to have this guy, not hidden, wherever you actually use your real SC, so he's got to participate (and survive) in your SC's real battles as well. So no teleporting you're SC around unless your honeypot can follow, etc, etc.

At this point he has to be a significant investment, that you're going to regret losing.


As far as BE for killing unlimited undead. There's no reliable way to do that more than once a turn. They take gems and if multiple VotDs get through, you'll burn them out on the first one. (Though a guy with the Ark should work, but that's hardly early and you only get one.)

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 

Right, being able to kill 300 undead is a mitigator to get you further into midgame (you can survive one failed MR check). It's not immunity to VotD like the Ark is.

-Max