Re: LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions
 

Yes, in one of MPs I found that a substantial wing of my army, some 40-60 good quality, well-armoured infantry, could be shredded and routed by about half a dozen vitriols. I couldn't find the spell in my guidebook and wasn't sure whether they were specific to some nations or general access.

Re: LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions
 

General access, didn't find those as they were included in a patch, 3.17 IIRC :)

Re: LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions
 

Manifest vitriol is an alteration spell. A relatively cheap one iirc, though fairly high in research. I learned their usefulness when an AI t'ien ch'i used them to defeat one of my sieges.

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Alt 6, W2F1, 2 gems to cast, very nice.

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Bump!

Baalz, i have a question. regarding your pretender design, i'm at a loss to understand it. maybe you meant it as two different possible strategies, but you describe something like E9S9N4 as a bless. what confuses me is that you then mentioned having your pretender drop antimagic to help out even more, which will Quote: "get you through the early to mid game." so is she only dormant? you get a lot of points with cold-3 death-3, but not that many, plus you recommend Magic-1 as well.

maybe i'm just missing something, but I was trying to design a pretender similar to your guide, and I just can't seem to get the points without an imprisoned pretender.

thanks in advance

Re: LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions
 

you make it imprisoned. That's fine. Finding the points still requires a lot of compromises.

Re: LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions
 

Baalz probably meant mid to late game.

Bear in mind once Atlantis gets underwater and builds/finds a castle, you can recruit national W2S1 +100%EFSW mages. The W2S2 ones can cast antimagic, so you shouldn't need your pretender for that spell at all.

You want to try to build most of your castles on land as you get better unit recruitment choices from them, and much more cost efficient research mages. However, you should get (build if you can't find) at least one underwater castle quickly as it will be vital to expanding your magic paths.

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Well, it depends on the blessing you go with and what other sacrifices you want to make. Going from imprisoned to sleeping isn't *totally* prohibitive if you want to put your pretender in play earlier. As pointed out though, since I wrote this guide LA Atlantis gained underwater astral mages so in practice I'd generally go with an imprisoned pretender.

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If LA Rlyeh is not in the game and you want to save points, you could forgo S9, as the MR bless is much less vital. Although bear in mind you'll be losing Twist Fate as well.

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What do you think about s6(4)? That saves a lot of points and still boost MR (a little)? Is the twist fate really that important?