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Please note that I made no attempt at a qualitative judgment of this type.

You are quite right. If you had made any qualitative judgement in support of the content of said website, I suspect our debate would be substantially more heated. I am also glad that you are a man of moral fiber (and 2 notches on the headboard to boot!!) as this makes debating with you far more fun than if you were a man of straw with the morals of an alley-kat

My initial point was merely to whether or not it was "permissable" under the principle of free speech.

Exactly, you started this debate on this propostion which takes us back to the prime subject matter of our discussion being, inter alios and summarised, 'do American citizens actually enjoy the level of freedom of speech they think they do?" This is what we are still debating.

With regard to the locii of our discussions, I would point out that primary brake on any application of "fundamental" civil rights of any society is how the legislative body of that society applies them through the relevant judgement-making apparatus. In both our countries, that is left to the courts. Our debate therefore must focus to a greater extent on how the courts seek to restrict freedom of speech and I have sought to provide you with some examples for your own education.

You are right about the changing nature of legal systems. However, laws do not change (or even evolve) that rapidly and therefore, it is a safe basis for a foundation for my position. I will concede that my position today may not be the same as my position in 10 years.

I seek to exapnd and progress this discussion by various related side arguments because I am a highly trained and highly intelligent legal professional and I am, of course, seeking to make these arguements in order to guide you to a rational and balanced consensus. You must remember this and also remember that when you make similar (although not so well constructed or profound) side arguments, it is because you are desparate and are "throwing teddy bears out of pram" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 19, 2002, 16:47: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

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ROFL!

Gt, I have come to the conclusion that I will never see a satisfactory conclusion to this disagreement short of conceeding the merits of your argument, which I am unable or unwilling to do. I will nevertheless once again affirm that your skill at debate and the speed and sharpness of your wit is close to unparalled in my experience. Bravo Gt, ar as we say in the colonies "You da man!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And with that, I hand you my sword and offer you the honor of the Last word. I ask only that you show me mercy in your parting comments, and look forward to further such discussions on other topics as they may arise in the future.

Geo

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Geo,

The graciousness with which you have conceded defeat and acknowledged that I am the better man is most impressive and of course, the natural due you should give to your victor.

As discourse with you has been, at the very most, mildly entertaining, I shall return your plaudits with the acknowledgement that you have done very well indeed...... for a colonial.

We have a different expression here in England, and whilst you may not be"da' Man", you are certainly "da' Squirrel" and I shall address you as this from now on.

Onwards to the next debate. How do you fancy leading off on the merits of early Imperial themes in Byzantine choral music?

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Awww...don't tell me you're done yet! I've been really expanding my vocabulary thru this thread..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

My hat(s) off to both of you. You guys can keep this forum very interesting without talking anything SE.....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still don't see how one can hold this position and still play any 4X game.

What is your opinion of the "appropriateness" of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement {link}?

[ July 20, 2002, 01:22: Message edited by: capnq ]

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Ummmm, rdouglass please don't 'rabble rouse' Geo and the Tigga. They are bad enough as it is!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(Geo, your body was again headless at the Cantina. ...but don't worry - you have a new 8 armed one now!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I still don't see how one can hold this position and still play any 4X game.

I dont play against the AI. I play against friends (or one of the cats) and we practice strict Geneva Convention policies. You want to attack a colony? send in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command

What is your opinion of the "appropriateness" of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement {link}?[/QB] [/quote]

This is not genocide. This is a matter of free will. If people wish not to reproduce, that is their decision. Unfortunately, quite a lot of people (and I am thinking of computer geeks here (carving out Geo "Da Squirrel" from Dayton , Ohio who we know for a computer geek to be a sexual tyrannosauraus) don't get to decide whether they get to reprodcue or not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . If they choose to exercise this right as they believe it will help reduce global population pressures, that is their decision too.

Again, this is not genocide by any definition of the term (and I have checked the United Nations and public international law definitions before I said this).

As a humourous aside, vive la France is all I can say. A few years ago, the French government was concerned about the national population shrinking. The birthrate was very low and their cunning plan to combat this was to get the state television station to show, ahem, naughty movies late on Friday night to ahem, get people in the mood. Lo and behold, ante-natal classes all over France are chockablock in no time at all..

Now, I believe us English have the problem that although our population is shrinking, it is not shrinking fast enough. I am worried that Tony Blair and the idiots in Parliament will decide that like the French, mood inducing television may help out this problem. Instead of surgically enhanced blarts doing 'their thang' on TV, we are going to get late night programmes showing really ugly people rubbing themselves in chip-fat and doing exciting things like mowing the lawn...

I live in fear

[ July 23, 2002, 10:24: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

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hmm, just what the world needs. more Frenchies. to bad we can combat this with furious mouse clicking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Unlike many English, I must admit I like the French. Here are 10 reasons why:

1 the country is beautiful

2 they make great wine

3 the cuisine is excellent

4 their capital city is beautiful

5 they have undeniable panache and style

6 they have a fantastic "bugger the lot of you" attitude

7 they get excited about nothing

8 you can have a damn good argument with a Frenchman

9 their national football team is charmingly erratic

10 the girls

Vive la France

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I found a new website for Gt to loathe.

"So you've decided to be evil, A step-by-step guide to joining the forces of darkness"

I think it's hilarious. It has tips on coming up with a good evil name, practicing your evil laugh, developing your master plan, even a "Evil Placement Quiz" to see if you have what it takes to consider a life of evil. My favorite is question #3...
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