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CuriousCat December 16th, 2004 11:03 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Turn up.

deccan December 17th, 2004 12:24 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Okay for patching as well.

Grim Knight December 17th, 2004 01:44 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Ok, I will patch the server. I have at this time disabled quick host and turned the timer off, I will wait for everyone to finish this turn and then I will manually host then run the patch, so Turn 50 (The Current Turn) should be completed using 2.14 but Turn 51 should be completed using 2.15 I will also send a broadcast message to that effect to everyone in Game just to make sure everyone gets the message.

Grim Knight

The Panther December 17th, 2004 02:22 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
How about extending the host time schedule through Christmas?

KroolDeath December 17th, 2004 02:52 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
That would be good idea through the holidays!

Krool

Steerpike December 17th, 2004 10:57 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Okay will patch after this turn.

Im going away to Brisbane for a week after christmas (31st to 7th Jan to be exact.) I have one friend with the game (though unfortunately he hasnt played multi yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif )
Ahh, would it be cool to install the game on my folks PC and use my key to play if I uninstall it when I leave. My folks dont play games except for Online backgammon, which rocks incidently.
I have never pirated in my life (except for cassette tapes in the Eighties and Nineties http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif) other than that I am no http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/Injured.gif
Steerpike

Grim Knight December 17th, 2004 01:58 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Yes I can switch the timer to a longer interval after the patch.

Grim Knight

Aku December 17th, 2004 05:13 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Ok I am going to patch now and Boron says he will have his turn done within the hour.

Boron December 17th, 2004 05:14 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
I will do my turn in about 30 minutes .

So in about 1 - 1,5 hours from this post everybody will have played his turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

Aku December 17th, 2004 06:52 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Boron did his turn!!!

Time for the server to be patched and reset etc.

Thanks Grim for being a good host.

Grim Knight December 18th, 2004 01:50 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Patch is complted and New Turn is up. Everyone should be using Version 2.15 now.

Grim Knight.

Aku December 18th, 2004 11:57 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
just mictlan left

anyone else noticing the crazy activity going on between abysia and jotum?

Beorne December 19th, 2004 06:48 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
new turn is up

Steerpike December 19th, 2004 09:08 AM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
It would be funny if it wasnt me involved http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

The Panther December 19th, 2004 01:41 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Quote:

Aku said:
anyone else noticing the crazy activity going on between abysia and jotum?

What crazy activity? Plan B seems to be working is all that is really going on.

Aku December 19th, 2004 03:36 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
The crazy activity of the southern continent turning all red.

Also someone is throwing out dispells now!

PashaDawg December 19th, 2004 06:54 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Beware of the PANTHER!! He will consume you all!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Boron December 20th, 2004 05:43 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Quote:

PashaDawg said:
Beware of the PANTHER!! He will consume you all!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Nah Aku will defeat him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif .

Aku December 20th, 2004 05:50 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
I dont even have a land beachhead yet to do any land invading lol. My water defense however can defeat whoever invades me.

Steerpike December 20th, 2004 10:18 PM

I got a devil infestation.
 
Well the Last turn was very nasty. What I dont get is how my Pretender can smash an army one turn and then attack one part of that army the next turn (1 lousy Ice devil) and lose.
Ahh well. This game was going alright for a while, looks like I may not even make it to Christmas.
GG again Panther I learned a lot more in this one.

The Panther December 20th, 2004 10:35 PM

Re: I got a devil infestation.
 
It looked to me like you lost the battle because your pretender got fatigued and his high defense went kaput. Though, I am not exactly sure WHY he got fatigued so rapidly in this battle. Maybe because I didn't have the extra troops along for your life drain this time. Maybe life drain does not work against demons, though I thought it did.

Good battling, Steerpike. You did far better in this game than you did in the Last one! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

And PASHA DAWG! Slandering me yet again? We had a peace treaty and I NEVER attacked you in this game! I even almost saved you by attacking your enemy!!! Sheesh, the thanks I get for my heroic action... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

The Panther December 20th, 2004 10:38 PM

Re: 2.15 Patch
 
Quote:

Aku said:
Also someone is throwing out dispells now!

Ah! Testing out the new Patch 2.15 ability to cast dispel underwater? Very nice!!!

PashaDawg December 20th, 2004 10:40 PM

Re: I got a devil infestation.
 
Quote:

The Panther said:
And PASHA DAWG! Slandering me yet again? We had a peace treaty and I NEVER attacked you in this game! I even almost saved you by attacking your enemy!!! Sheesh, the thanks I get for my heroic action... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif LIES! LIES! LIES! Blame it on the New Mexicans! It's all their fault!!! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif[/img]

DragonFire11 December 20th, 2004 10:58 PM

Network issues
 
Yesterday and today I have been unable to connect. I keep retrying w/o any luck. Anyone else?

DragonFire11 December 20th, 2004 10:59 PM

Re: Network issues
 
I guess I just had to post -- I got through.

Boron December 21st, 2004 08:45 PM

Re: I got a devil infestation.
 
Quote:

The Panther said:
It looked to me like you lost the battle because your pretender got fatigued and his high defense went kaput. Though, I am not exactly sure WHY he got fatigued so rapidly in this battle. Maybe because I didn't have the extra troops along for your life drain this time. Maybe life drain does not work against demons, though I thought it did.


Yeah i saw that battle as well .
Was a bit bad luck for Steerpike . Maybe Steerpikes God hitted once but this hit was canceled by your luck amulet and the other one just failed .
After that because of high encumberance the poor niefelgod was at about 60 fatigue and your ID brought him to >100 fatigue with his 2 hits iirc .
From that he never recovered http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif .

The few battles i saw between you 2 were all very nice and enjoyable to view http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif .

DragonFire11 December 21st, 2004 09:46 PM

Re: I got a devil infestation.
 
Maybe it was bad karma from invading my humble lands. But now I have a new master. The more things change . . .

Steerpike December 21st, 2004 10:14 PM

Re: I got a devil infestation.
 
You will find the Abysian yoke a little tighter than mine Dragonfire as yet he is only fighting me. I was fighting Pan as well.
My fault of course.

Grim Knight December 22nd, 2004 12:39 AM

Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
Server IP Address is Now: 69.10.119.245

Grim Knight

deccan December 22nd, 2004 10:06 PM

Re: Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
New turn should be up. Sorry, I did the turn offline and forgot to upload it again. Thanks for reminding me, Curious Cat, but wow, you sent me 4 Messages. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Okay probably some kind of mistake. Heh.

CuriousCat December 22nd, 2004 10:19 PM

Re: Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
I only sent one reminder... sorry if the glitch caused concern... I just remembered a few turns back that you said you sometimes did the turns offline and forgot to upload them.

CC

Steerpike December 22nd, 2004 10:45 PM

Re: Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
The second to fall is the Giants.
I have probably 2 turns left but it is over in all but name. Well done again Panther, maybe I will have an answer next time.
Thanks for being such a good host Grim.
And at least I killed a nation this time, sorry Pasha.
I would love to be in the next slufest if we have one Steerpike. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Steerpike December 22nd, 2004 10:47 PM

Re: Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
Ohh and you boys in the north are in for a real ride. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
The SOUTH ROOOOLZ.

Boron December 23rd, 2004 08:11 AM

Re: Server IP Has Shifted Again
 
Quote:

Steerpike said:
Ohh and you boys in the north are in for a real ride. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
The SOUTH ROOOOLZ.

Better study history http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif .

The south never won anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif .

The southern states lost the american civil war .
The romans were defeated from northern german tribes .
South vietnam was defeated by north vietnam .
Prussia formed germany and defeated the southern austria hungary .
....

So the south always loses . Q.E.D. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Steerpike December 23rd, 2004 09:54 AM

South always loses
 
Hmmm...Not everything is measured by defeats.
You mentioned the Romans being defeated by the Northern German Tribes, that may be true of the western Roman empire but the eastern Roman empire based in Bysantium( Constantinople, Istanbul)survived until 1453 when it was taken by the turks from the South.
The Southern states (Florida,Ohio) won Dubya the Last two elections (much to my dismay).
America was defeated by the NVA. North beats North.
Prussia kicked *** I will give ya that.
Purely from a cultural viewpoint, and only looking at Europe mediteranean area you have the Empires of Egypt, Greece and Rome all in the south these bad boys have so much influence on our lives today (Roman Law, Greek Philosophy, Egyptian ...ahh..Monuments).
I could go on.
Lastly I come from the South of Australia and Australia Roooolz.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
We have the biggest Reef in the world, Deserts, Rainforest, Snow, wierd@$$ Fauna like the Platypus, 8 of the top ten most deadly snakes, poisonous Spiders, jellyfish which will kill you in two minutes, great white sharks that dont actually eat you but kill you seeing if they can and a little Octopus that will kill ya as well.
No wonder there is only 20 million of us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
And you dont know how much that line about studying history made me laugh.

Boron December 23rd, 2004 10:14 PM

Re: South always loses
 
Quote:

Steerpike said:
And you dont know how much that line about studying history made me laugh.

Yeah that was the only purpose of this post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
So mission accomplished http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

PashaDawg December 24th, 2004 12:46 AM

Re: South always loses
 
Quote:

Steerpike said:

The Southern states (Florida,Ohio) won Dubya the Last two elections (much to my dismay).


Tsk. Tsk. Every good Australian should know that Ohio is a midwestern state and not a southern state. Shocking. Simply shocking! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Beorne December 24th, 2004 10:37 AM

North will prevail at the end
 
Now that the root of all evil (Mitclan) has been completly defeated, the great north western Arco alliance will surely prevail.

Good luck to the new masters of my former territory!

Aku December 24th, 2004 05:11 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
So Panter...that ID that died to independents that was a big shocker. I was watching the battle and was like wtf.

The Panther December 24th, 2004 06:28 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
Very weird indeed. I had 18 attack to their 13 defense and missed on all four attacks! The odds of that are 0.01% or 1 in 10,000. Maybe I should avoid the lottery today!

Aku December 24th, 2004 06:41 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
or maybe play the lottery because that bad luck will be countered with an extreme chance of good luck!

Steerpike December 24th, 2004 08:32 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
You mean an indie province did better than my nicely equiped Son of Niefel! (Siiighhh) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

DragonFire11 December 25th, 2004 02:29 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
Happy Holiday all! The only victory that I can claim is that I watched others battle to the end. At least this game I got to watch.

NVA - do you mean the Northern Virginia Army? I have to disagree that they won the conflict by themselves.

Cainehill December 25th, 2004 07:10 PM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
Quote:

DragonFire11 said:
Happy Holiday all! The only victory that I can claim is that I watched others battle to the end. At least this game I got to watch.

NVA - do you mean the Northern Virginia Army? I have to disagree that they won the conflict by themselves.

Bah humbug! Happy Horrordays! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

NVA - North Vietnamese Army.

Boron December 26th, 2004 10:23 AM

Re: North will prevail at the end
 
Quote:

The Panther said:
Very weird indeed. I had 18 attack to their 13 defense and missed on all four attacks! The odds of that are 0.01% or 1 in 10,000. Maybe I should avoid the lottery today!

Hm i think i have the solution now :
I don't remember the battle exactly ( i.e. your gear etc. ) but an ID has a base strength of 18-20 .
Iirc you had as weapon a blood thorn , no strength boosters .

So depending on your ID you would have had 20-22 ( wpndamage of bloodthorn 2 ) + 2d6 oe vs. 20 protection + 2d6 oe damage throw .
If i am right ( not really sure if i used the probability right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) you should have a chance of about 75% to do damage .

With 18 attack vs. 13 defense you have 85,5% chance to inflict damage .
With 24 strength+wpndamage vs. 20 protection you have 79,7% hitting chance , with 23 strength+weapondamage ( if you used the Cimejes ID ) you have 72,6% chance to inflict damage .

If you hit but don't do damage then i think no blood is shown . So you can't say if you did hit but did no damage or simply didn't hit .
The new probabilities for 2 attacks should be then :
Cimejes ID :
Probability to hit and do damage : 0,855x0,726 = 0,62073
-> Probability to do no damage = 1 - 0,62073 = 0,37927
for 2 attacks : 0,1438...

Other IDs :
Probability to hit and do damage : 0,855x0,797 = 0,681435
-> Probability to do no damage = 1 - 0,62073 = 0,3185
for 2 attacks : 0,1014...

So depending on your ID you used you would have a chance to do no damage with both attacks in a battle round of either 14,38% or 10,14% .

For 4 attacks it should be then 2,06% or 1,03% .

Thats still rare but possible .

And there is finally 1 additional thing :
Are you sure your IDs had 18 attack ?
Every 20 points of fatigue lower the attack value by 1 .
I am not sure if that is shown .
With buffing + encumberance you should have at least about 20 fatigue before fighting though , maybe after the first combat round even 40 .

In case these values are not shown correcty you would have had an attack of only 17 in first combat round and of only 16 in 2nd combat round maybe .
Every point of such reduction gives almost 7% less hitting chance .
If this is true your odds would be even a bit worse .

Depending if my Last theory is true or not the chance for happening what happened to your ID should be in the range of 1:20 - 1:100 .
So you still had very bad luck but the odds weren't as bad as you thought ( if all my theories were true , which might not be the case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) .

Steerpike December 26th, 2004 10:51 AM

Stats
 
87% of all statistics are made up.
Yours sound sooo convincing though Boron that I would give them a 1% chance of being incorrect. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
Are you a mathematician?...seriously!
Kick a$$ doood.
Now work out what Stonebrows chances of winning were. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Boron December 26th, 2004 08:48 PM

Re: Stats
 
No i am no mathematician. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

In case you don't have them already :
Download the att-def excel makro from sunrays site and look at saber cherries attacking odds thread here in the forum .
They are very helpful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Then a good rough estimation can be made in 30 seconds , a quite detailed one in about 2-3 minutes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Aku December 27th, 2004 12:14 AM

Re: Stats
 
Ah man Panther if those indy knights didnt route then you would of lost another ID.

Also Mictlan died this turn and Machaka put up Gift of Health.

Oh and it is snowing in New York again.

Steerpike December 27th, 2004 12:50 AM

Re: Stats
 
Hey the Giants werent the second to go. Thanks Beorne http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Aku December 28th, 2004 04:31 PM

Re: Stats
 
only vanheim and jotum left


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