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Tigh does have one eye... that about how many most cylon robots have....

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There's only one 'i' in Tigh...

Why are Pirates called Pirates?
They just aaaarrrrrr.

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Wade said:
"The game has gotten near perfect reviews from many major and minor review sites."

Reviews are irrelevant. Plenty of crappy big dev name flash in the pan games get excellent reviews.

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Brad Wardel,(Frogboy/ Draginol) the creator of GCII, on the website www.galciv2.com has hoped that Space Empires V and other games of the genre do well because it benefits us all. I agree.

The game is modeled after the Civilization games(Civilization IV in particular). This is partly the reason for its success. Galactic Civilizations II has many new concepts though. Not to mention the even more dangerous AI in the expansion.

While GCII and SEV are two seperate sorts of games in the same genre they're both good games. As well as Civilization IV. I play all three and hope to make time for some others too.

-Wade

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I'm excited about the movie, we're gonna learn what Cain did in the months between the miniseries and Pegasus meeting galactica.

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Excellent news. That means that RDM has been able to pull the fish from the fire pit and salvage dinner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Not to mention the movie pickup means Caprica might get a pickup.

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Are you sure it is after the miniseries? The Pegasus was clearly up to something before the miniseries... between Adama's covert incident violating the Cylon border and the miniseries.

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I laughed my frackin' head off.

So say we all... Chortle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/Injured.gif

Frack.

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Yep. Basically it's a story setup involving Cain and the Pegasus after the attack at the scorpion shipyards and before pegasus found galactica that will tie into episodes 16 & 19 (maelstrom and Crossroads) of season 3 and have an impact on season 4.

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Oh, I hate you Ron Moore.

(just watched the finale.)

>:(

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For which particular reason?

They\'re Cylons!
 

I wonder how they're gonna explain Colonel Saul Tigh fighting in the first war with the original toasters? And the fifth Cylon? Madam President's head rush? The phantom Kara Thrace?

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i think roselin isnt the only one smoking something after watching this episode.

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Any one notice that the sets of Galatica bare a strong resemblance to sets used for the DUNE mini-series?

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Something just occurred to me, there are now TWO cylon human babies. Think about it. Boomers daughter, and the Chiefs son. Why haven't the cylons tried to get his son?

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I don't buy for a minute the sudden and in my honest opinion, sloppy story change that Tigh and the Chief, as well as two others, are now cylons. That is just a fracking cop out and a cheap writing trick. I have to be honest, and many fans agree, that this was nothing more than a cheap plot twist though of without any consideration for thought. This kind of thing seems to be a hallmark of the series. Hey lets go down this road.. whoops, not working, lets do this now.... whoops that didn't work... hey I know, lets make Tigh and the Chief both cylons. Um what about the chiefs son, and Tigh's record? Who cares, the people who watch this show are too stupid to figure things out and think for themselves. Besides its a cool plot twist... write it up and people will accept it with some clever back stories. Ok RDM, we will see.

However as some fans pointed out on other forums, they might not really be cylons. They were all at one time capable of being captured by the cylons therefore they could have simply been brain washed and programed to respond to certain sound stimuli. But I don't believe it. I think RDM took his show into yet another new direction.

Certainly the mind frack has begun. Kara has returned and she knows the way to Earth. All along the watchtower we stand and wait to see if the thief shows the joker the way on how to get out of this place.

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I don't think Tigh's record as a Colonial warrior is inconsistant with him being a Cylon. It's been clearly established form the begining that there are human form cylons that don't know they are cylons. Six stated it pretty much in exactly those words during the original miniseries, and the point was proven with Boomer.

As to why the Cylons haven't been as hot to get the Chief's baby as they were Hera, it's also been pretty clearly established that the Cylons aren't some hive-mind like the Borg. They have a sense of each other, but it's not perfect. They are even capable of lying to each other. They may simply not know he has a child.

Plus, there might be some difference in having a half Cylon child with a human mother and one with a human father. Chief's baby may be nothing special as far as the Cylon's are concerned even if they knew about it.

I thought the finale was pretty good. I'm only pissed it's going to be next year before we find out what happens.

Geoschmo

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I know. It's all wargames. Everyone is a cylon. There are no such things as coloials, or if there are that's what the wargames are for, to deteremine likely tactics. It's like red team vs blue team only red team has had artifical memories placed in them to help them "play" their side better.

Perhaps the Human programmers have been following and watching in their cloaked lab ships http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Edit: I wondered for a second about my hypothesis since a few of them have been back to Caprica but we know in the Base ships the Cylons see their own reality, that's why the inside is so bland. Those who went back to Caprica were just seeing an artificial reality.

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Well, I need to go to work... but just wanted to post and say two things.

First... DAMN!

Second... well, did they ever refer to the thirteenth tribe of Kobol as a human tribe explicitly? It is apparent that the society that lived on Kobol was fairly advanced, and there was an exodus where the twelve tribes that formed the twelve colonies forgot most of their accomplishments from Kobol. What if one of those accomplishments was the creation of a thirteenth tribe (AKA, Cylons)? So, the final five could be considered the surviving models created on Kobol, and the toasters created in the twelve colonies were simply a re-discovery of what once was on Kobol, and these in turn spawned the other seven meat Cylons. The Cylons among the thirteenth tribe had long ago discovered the secret of reproduction that the seven colonial cylons are after, and had integrated themselves into Earth society... perhaps bringing along the Greek-ish culture of Kobol/Twelve Colonies?

Or maybe it's something completely different.

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Backwards... the humans are on earth. The 12 colonies were founded by the Kobol Cylons, who forgot they are Cylons and in turn are repeating the history of recreating Cylons and being destroyed by them.

"This has happened before" has been repeated in the series.

I think the "four" are not Cylons (new Cylons anyway)... I think the music and the Starbuck thing are part of a new player on the scene... possibly ancients from Kobol, or Kobol Cylons, or the real "final five", or dare I hope Iblis.

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I don't know about anyone else but after last night's finale all I could think about was Lynche's "Twin Peaks" or something in the lines bizzare but beautifully interesting and WHAT!

I ran through dozens of scenerios of how in the world could a Bob Dylan tune possibly be in deep space alone (not all jarbled up with millions of other transmissions that have leaked into space) and a driving theme for four of the characters. So does this mean that when the Colonials finally arrive on Earth it will more in likely be post Bob Dylan era or will it pre Bob Dylan, and that Bob Dylan is actually a Cylon or an offworlder who writes all of his songs from lucid memories of being in space but forgetting that he actually was in space.

I was first thinking that with this series when the 13th tribe eventually landed on Earth it was pre-civilization times and that in order to erase their problem of the evils of technology the Colonials destroyed everything and started from scratch and eventually started the greek culture after a few hundred years.

How long ago again did the 13th Colony leave Cobol in the timeline?

Now I am convinced that when they (the fleeing Colonials) do find Earth it will definatly be modern times due to this Bob Dylan thing. This goes to my previous question of how long ago did the 13th Colony supposedly settle Earth.

The fact that there are now Cylons discovering that they are now Cylons I can live with, but this Bob Dylan thing is going to drive me nuts until I figure out how this plays into the series.

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There is a spoiler interview with Moore at AICN http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32045
Sounds awfully close to jump the shark material to me.

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I still think this is all some drug induced dream that Rosilin is having on her way back from the decommissioning ceremonies on Galatica. When she wakes up its all over man!

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I would have preferred to have heard Jimi's version of the song over Dylans.

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I was fearing the drug/hallucination/dream thing, but I can't possibly beleive that this would take that significant of a nose dive, even though there are some stong indications and plays towards this. I for one wouldn't riot in the street demanding my time be returned to me, but I know of people who would.

Do you suppose that they will introduce Bob Dylan as the fifth one. All things considered he would make a good Cylon emulating many of the traits that all of the other fleshy clyons have. Tye almost cherries it with his tantric "What the frack is going on" deamenors, and the mildly tosseled hair of the Chief is getting close along with the cool and somewhat "whatever man - I'm tuned in - but I can't figure out why" attitude. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Well, at least this episode( and the previous one ) was entertaining, as opposed to the last few. I'm just happy *something* is happening. This show takes way too long breaks from the main plot.

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I think the whole "Tigh,Tyrol,Tori, and Anders" too Cylon plot is a bit too far fetched. Now it moves the appearance of human cylons to 20-years before the miniseries (as records could be faked, and adama's first meeting with tigh is 20 years prior I believe).

Then again, Moore or Eick did once answer the question "Who are the Final Five Cylons?" with the cryptic "Who said they had to be cylons?"


But I don't know. I enjoy the series enough in HD to keep watching, so I'll resume watching Doctor Who (At least we can blame that insanity on fun british humor) when it starts back next month to hold me over.

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Looks like RM set himself up as the storyteller, and then ran out of gas. He's turned on his audience, messing with their minds.

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Well, I finally got around to watching the finale, and it was a fair sight better than I expected. I'm not too bothered by the whole gasp They're Cylons! thing, because, well I'm just not. A lot of the other Cylons seemed to have no inkling that they were Cylons right up until they did something crazy, or were confronted with incontrovertable proof, so why should these lot be any different? Because a lot of time has gone by? Cylons like Boomer would have been 'under cover' for the better part of a decade, going through pilot training, serving aboard the Galactica, etc, so what's another 2-3 years on top of that?
Sure, it sniffs a little of jumping the shark, but I'm willing to go along with it.

More importantly, is it me or are shows getting shorter these days? I don't mean the actual episodes, but rather the seasons. When I was in school, most shows started around the same time as school (ie: mid-September) and ran til nearly the end of the school year (late May/early June). But now all the shows seem to be wrapping up before April. That's only a five month season! We'll spend longer waiting for a new season than we did watching the old one. Just doesn't seem right to me.

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I dunno. I seem to remember there being around 24 episodes in a standard season, usually with 1-3 weeks in the middle taken off (such as during Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc.). Which is still about half the year. But I'm seeing 12 and 20 as far more common numbers now.

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The standard was about 22, wasn't it? I only remember X-files as regularly having 24 about each season. The new shows rarely have more than twenty, it appears.

About them being Cylons, we still don't know if that means they're actually on team with the other Cylons, though. Or something else entirely. So I think it can be an interesting plot avenue. I'm wondering more about how they're going to explain the return of Starbuck.

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Don't the previously known Cylons number 2 through 8? Wouldn't that leave 4 of the final five #9-#12 and the final one as #1?
Maybe the word "final" in final five refers to the final five Cylons from Kobol... and not just the final five of twelve models.

Anyway, I think Cylon #1 is the key to whether this new direction becomes interesting or just change for change sake.

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Actually, only a couple of the cylons numbers are known.
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon

As for TV shows, seasons on most series used to be 24-26 episodes per year. That was during the 80's and 90's, but that's been sliding down where the number of episodes per series. It seems they've linked it to the show's performance now. Some shows only get picked up for 10-13 episodes per season, others can pull 20-22 episodes.

It's all about the budget. the 13 episode half seasons or pilot seasons most networks jump for is actually a hold over from the 80's when new series would get a pickup for 13 episodes and if it did well in the ratings for the first 7, the network would order an additional 13 for a full season. But if they didn't, the network would have 13-hours of filler material during their off seasons.

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It also comes from the fact that more and more and more TV time is being wasted with advertisements and thus they have less time to actually show you what you are actually watching the TV for.

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#1 is Patrick McGoohan. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (My entry in the monthly "Most Obscure Reference" contest.)

As utterly gimmicky, out-of-your-***, and shark-jumpy as it is, making Tigh a Cylon at least explains D'Anna's apology to the Cylon-of-Light: "Forgive me" as in, "Gee, sorry we gouged out your eyeball!"

Of course that doesn't explain how Tigh, who fought in the war before the toasters "evolved" into human form, could be a Cylon at all, let alone one of the "final" five. Unless he was replaced, of course, and that would imply the Cylons could download human minds (see below), which they apparently didn't do on New Caprica. It also implies the Cylons can't tell humans and Cylons apart any more than humans can.

That also explains why the Cylons aren't interested in the Chief's baby, not knowing he's a Cylon. However, that raises the question of Cylon reproduction again; if "love" is the missing ingredient, and since both Sharon 1 and the Chief have been shown to have it, and even did the nasty together pre-series, then why wouldn't they be capable of reproducing?

Never mind. The show is so full of plot holes that another makes no difference.

I agree with AT's thoughts way back in November that Baltar is probably a Cylon, and perhaps the #1 Cylon. Computers do what they're told, no more & no less, so (in the real world, anyway) if even "sentient" robots rebel, they've been subverted by a human. That human may have started the rebellion, designed the humanoid Cylons, and then achieved immortality by transferring his mind to the "Baltar" model. The Caprica Six in his head may be #1's way of guiding his "clone".

As for next season, I predict the "Space Faeries" who resurrected Kara (did anyone on this board really think she was dead?) lured the Cylon ships to the nebula, caused the power outage (which hit the Cylons, too), and will now destroy them easily since their jump drives also have to "spin up" again, just like the Colonials'.

Either that, or Kara was found by Lorien, from Babylon 5:

Kara: "Hi, Lee."
Lee: "I thought you were dead."
Kara: "I was dead. I'm better now." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

This show belongs on Comedy Central. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well now that we have started down this road where we know who the four of the final five cylons are, we'll have to wait and see how RDM explains this. I for one have mixed feelings about this. I think they took what could have been a great series and muddled it down with way to much nonsense and sudo-mystical self absorbing drama that really has no meaning and is seldom ever explained.

The whole cylon god thing has been replaced by these five mystical cylon types who we now know. Like I said before, this entire series is one giant "lets make it up as we go" fiasco. But like a car wreck on the free, we all slow down to watch. It not like any of us have anything better to do.

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Yeah, it's not like there isn't some sort of, oh, I don't know, way to write down the things we speak. I think I'll invent that. Maybe call them 'letters' and 'words'. Organize them into what I'll call 'sentences' and 'paragraphs'. Will need some 'symbols' to help...I'll call them 'puncuation'.
I'll probably 'write' them down on...Oh, say, cloth made from shredded trees and rags. Call it 'paper'. Will need some way of organizing them...Perhaps rectangular 'pages', glues into a holder called a 'book'.

My, this all sounds like a good idea. How come no-one thought of it before?

(Sorry, I'm naturally snarky and it has to come out somehow... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

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Narf, are you feeling ok?

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Lorien would certainly add a touch of class to BSG...

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Actually, There is no proof of Tigh's involvement in the first war. See, we only know of his involvement from his own account, computer records, and billy's comment that he was once a published military historian after the war.

Adama, however, met him 20 years prior to the miniseries. The war was 40 years prior. So could his history have been forged? yes.

Tyrol being a cylon would also resolve why Tyrol's time of Pegasus didn't pop up when Cain went to execute him - not that it would've mattered.


On a side note, RDM has repeated comments like this many times: "I'm making this up as I go, there is no master plan."

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And that line right there is the sign that a series should just end.

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Dont care if I'm in the minority on this, I thought the season was a good one, with 2 or 3 standout shows, and 5 or six WOW moments that made me glad that BSG was re-made.
Even when I didn't like something, I was still interested. I hope it goes on for 2 more years.

Of course, 'Heroes' is even better with almost triple the Wow moments.

Still, BSG will have a nice chunk of the little TV I still watch.

P.S. some of my best roleplaying Gamemastering moments were "off the Cuff - and on the Fly' (of course a few tanked as well, hehehe)

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Unfortunately it just makes for bad TV. The best TV shows have all been ones that have had forethought and planning put into them. Every time a show starts caving to the demands of ratings rather than the demands of the fans it's just a downward spiral.

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All for All, no one can really complain about this new BSG when compared to the 70's version. And it has had a longer run thanks to it not being a continuation in any shape or form.

But it's failure lies in it moving away from the points made in the first season and miniseries.

I remember the trailer tagline for the tv series before it started. "Other stories start at the beginning, this one starts at the end." and then a shot of a big mushroom cloud.

In the first season and first half of season 2, BSG was very much a show of survival. BSG needs to get back to that.

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I could have sworn that one of the Cylon models was referred to as #2.

I think that isn't really fair to the 70's version. In a sense, the original BSG was more "A New Hope" while the new BSG is more "Revenge of the Sith".
The production value of the new is clearly better, and the plot is less basic... but there is a trend to equate confused with complex in modern drama, and as such I don't think the depth people attribute to the new series is entirely warranted.

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The whole inital reason I was turned off from new BSG was that from it's onset it only had a limited shelf life and the whole concept of maintaining a small population under heavy stress while pursued by a superior enemy limited how long it could last and what they could do with it. It appears I was wrong, but only by them taking the show in a whole other direction.

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Yeah. I'm not normally snarky on here for some reason, but occasional comments like that are not out of character.