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My nation of Ferenczia is willing to be the guinea pig for anybody's ideas.

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On second thought, I seem to be in big trouble here. Here's what I found in my Inbox just now.

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You have been attacked by BWL1989. You lost 82 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 25 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.083 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.400 infrastructure. Their forces looted $1.55 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.
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You have been attacked by BWL1989. You lost 38 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 18 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.080 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.384 infrastructure. Their forces looted $2.35 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.
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To: General Faethor From: BWL1989 2/28/2007 5:09:44 PM Subject: RE: Peace Offer

Oh I understand, pick on the weaker nation. Get what you can. Then declare peace when they are helpless. No! We do not accept your peace. We are going to take everything from you and then there can be peace.
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A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by BWL1989. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.09 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by BWL1989.
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A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by BWL1989. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.09 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by BWL1989.
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dems fightin words, little bugger got some massive aid from some brown people so that means he wants to tangle. My economy is still recovering from my 4 different wars in the past week so I am not going to dive into this one but there seems to be 4 or 5 nations right around the correct strength now so maybe some of you guys should take up the fight against BWL1989. He doesn't want to be attacked but he has yet to join an alliance which means he has no protector and its no ones fault but his.

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Any advice on what I should do at this point?

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Damn. He's not giving up. Here are the latest reports.
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Your nation has been defeated in battle. You do not have enough troops to defend your nation and your government has been thrown into Anarchy. You have lost all of your tanks, 1.81 infrastructure has been destroyed, and 0.00 technology was lost due to the invasion and resulting riots. What troops you did have deployed have also been returned home.
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A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by BWL1989. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by BWL1989.
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A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by BWL1989. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.07 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by BWL1989.

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He has 599 soldiers to my 38! How did he get so many????

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I thought you could only make two attacks a day! He just hit me again!

You have been attacked by BWL1989. You lost 38 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 14 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.076 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.286 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.73 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.

I lost all of the soldiers I bought today.

I am calling upon the terms of the alliance for help!

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Yes. I'm DuchyofGrandFenwick, I had made a February donation when I started up my nation. You'll note several posts above yours I had made an offer to support alliance members by making several March donations. So far Hollin has taken me up on the offer, Jraenar made his own donation. My offer is still open as long as I have the aid slots. I can begin making some direct aid to members once I come out of peace mode.

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I would gladly take you up on your offer except that my nation is now a smoldering ruin.

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The attacks from before were presumably dated around the message he sent you, which was dated at around 5PM 2/28 server time. It's now 3/1 server time, so it's a new day and a new round of attacks available.

Which reminds me, the little slingshot scheme isn't going to work if everyone's out attacking. It would probably be better if we use PES's idea to form a second alliance that doesn't do any attacks, and leave the wars to the Wombat Protectorate. We can do rotations between the two, but the other alliance will need to have a strict rule of no declarations of war allowed. All the aid being sent around would be more than enough attention without adding aggression to it.

And JeffGeorge, on the bright side, your nation is still less than a week old, so it would not be too bad to just delete the nation and start over, this time with a better idea of how to start out.

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Well, perhaps we can do once you're able to rebuild. Hate to do right now and have all the gains lost if he continues to attack you. I'm not sure what the effects of your situation are (anarchy), but if someone with more experience says you'd benefit right now, then I'll do it now. Either way, I'll try to reserve you a slot.

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Well, I would be up for being a member of that peace alliance. And speaking of rules, is Wombat Protectorate going to get some sort of charter, etc. in place? It's kinda like the wild west with gunslinging going on everywhere which is bound to bring reprecussions later like PES suggested. Are we going to establish any mutual defense pacts with other alliance, specifically other large alliances? How are the discussions going with the Blue Turtle Alliance? We need to get something in place or other alliances are going to view us as rogue or a loose cannon.

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I'm the type of person, though, that never starts a game over due to poor starting position and the like. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I fight until there's no fight left in me! (Which may not be long if he keeps hitting me!)

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But he's made a total of 7 attacks since yesterday. How is that possible? Shouldn't he only be able to make a total of 4?

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Well, I think from looking at other wars, you can attack twice a day from both land and air which means it possible to be attacked 4 times a day.

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How did people jump up so fast?

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I tried one of those jumps, but I didn't land so well....

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I'm curious as to how people are doing it...

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My foe finally made peace after giving me a good spanking.

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GuyOfDoom: It was answered earlier in the thread around page 20, basically by donation.

JeffGeorge: Do you want to do that donation to rebuild now that your war is over? If you're thinking of going to peace mode to recover, this needs to be done before you do since you cannot send aid in peace mode. I will offer a further discount and only take $200,000 CN instead of $300,000 to assist your recovery. Let me know.

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Beck,

I have no plan to go into Peace mode despite my recent defeat. I wish to keep the option open to wage war when necessary. I am in favor of your proposal, but I'm not sure what it is that I need to do to enact it.

Jeff

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Ah, so I have been doing better than most. $$$ has just bumped people ahead of me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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The guy is just under my strength range. I'll let him build himself up a little bit tomorrow, and then declare war on him. (BWL1989) Sorry I didn't realize this was happening before... Didn't realize pages 21 and 22 were there D:

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Do as you wish, Forlorn_Hope, but know that I will disavow all knowledge of any such actions. I'm in no position to have him come down on me again. After all, I'm the one that started the previous war.

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JeffGeorge: It should work like this (or at least it worked with the Baron). I will place the donation on your behalf with CN. Once they process it (its usually pretty quick, my first one took a couple of hours but the others have been within five minutes) they will credit you with a donation and send you a post to that effect. You should notice that you received the following: $400,000 CN, 200 added to your infrastructure, 200 added to land and 20 added to your tech levels. Once you receive it, simply go to your foreign aid and send me the $200,000 which will leave with $200,000 to rebuild with as well as the improvements which by themselves should bump up your nation's strength considerably. We both end up ahead.

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No, that's not it. I was told I had 0 troops available for aid regardless of whether I had deployed any, and my total troops were over the 80% limit and upsetting my population. (In fact, after I deployed some, my people stopped complaining about too many troops.)

Changing my Defcon level didn't make a difference either. The only other possibility I came up was that perhaps you're not allowed to send troops to a nation with a higher strength rating than your own.

No one has either verified or refuted the suggestion that I found in the FAQ, that there's a minimum nation strength to be able to give aid.

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That sounds fine. How do you go ahead and make a donation on my behalf? I'm in.

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Okay JeffGeorge, I made the donation on your behalf with CN, you'll hearing from them shortly.

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Fiducia would definitely be interested in joining a pacifist co-alliance; we'd much rather build up our economy than our military.

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Oh, the war is already over? Darn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Capq: According to this from the CN website, neither strength or team affilation is a factor. Were you doing from the nation's details screen you wanted to help?

The foreign aid screen allows you to send aid to any other nation within Cyber Nations in the form of money, technology, and/or military assistance. Sending foreign aid does not require nations to be on the same team nor is strength a factor in the foreign aid system. To send aid to another nation simply view the nations details screen for the nation you want to send aid to and click the ‘Aid’ link at the top of the page. Fill in the details of the foreign aid offer that you are sending and click the ‘Offer Foreign Aid’ button. Once your aid offer is submitted a private message will be sent to the recipient notifying them of your foreign aid offer. Until the recipient reviews the foreign aid offer and accepts it the aid offer will be placed in pending status. While in pending status both nations have the option to cancel the offer. Once accepted however an aid offer cannot be canceled or deleted until the offer expires. By accepting a foreign aid offer the aid items sent will be credited to the receiver’s nation and debited from the sender’s nation. For example, if Nation A sends $10.00, 5 technology, and 500 soldiers Nation B will be credited with those items and Nation A will lose those items upon acceptance. The maximum offer for any foreign aid offer is $3,000,000 cash, 50 technology, and 2,000 soldiers.

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It is from my end. He slaughtered me. I had to sue for peace as someone was reinforcing him and all of a sudden he had escorted bombers and 500 soldiers. I learned that just because someone isn't in an alliance doesn't mean they don't have allies. I can't say that I would be sorry to see something happen to the F.U.S.S.R., but if he decides to come at me again I won't be able to fight back.

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That will change shortly once you see the effects that the donation will have. You'll be able to produce your own tanks, fighters and bombers. They'll be defensive in nature only until you can get out of anarchy.

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Go with fighters, bombers are bloody all useless on defense.

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Hmmm, I may end up being in a wee bit of trouble here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif A guy I've been using as my own personal cash cow, Inkxh, has $1,000,000 in financial aid pending from someone affiliated with The Legion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif My latest attack threw Inkxh into anarchy (and netted me $3500 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif ), so he may not be able to do anything until that's over (I'm not sure how anarchy works), but if he comes after me with $1,000,000 behind him...I might be in trouble http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Ah well, we shall see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Anarchy doesn't prevent military maneuvers. It just reduces population happiness, and so cuts tax revenues. As soon as he logs in to accept that aid he will be able to attack you. Be afraid.

I guess the idea floating around to form a second 'peaceful only' alliance is a good one. One of these random 'adventures' in search of booty is likely to get us all into very big trouble.

Who is the 'Blue Turtle' alliance? Is it controlled by someone known to people in our alliance? And what about some of the other small alliances like 'Band of Brothers' that was also fighting razorite? (In fact, another member of that alliance has gone to war against razorite -- he just can't get any peace! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif )

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If the aid is pending, attack the person who is sending it. If the aid is accepted, attack the person who has accepted it. Aid doesn't change hands until it's been accepted.

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They are an Aqua Team alliance with roughly 58 members but alliance strength is about five times our current strength. They don't condone the use of nukes. They seem to be largely a peaceful alliance. They contacted us back early in this thread and CW was negogiating with them. Haven't heard any results of the discussions.

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The nation that sent the aid has a strength of 15,778! No one in our alliance is even close to being able to attack him. More importantly, he's a member of The Legion -- one of the most powerful alliances in the game. Even if we could attack him, it would be certain death.

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I am a member of the Legion. Given what I know of them, if you attack them, they will obliterate every member in the WP alliance. So don't attack them.

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A defector! He's not even in Aqua team anymore! CW, we've been deserted! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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What I meant was, it's pointless to attack a nation BEFORE they get the aid.

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Nah, a peaceful alliance would be boring http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Much of the fun I have is through wars! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Ok, I may be a bit of a provocateur here, but I dislike people who try to intimidate me. Here is the message I received, and my response to it:

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If it is The Legion you will get a notice to surrender and pay repartitions with a 24 hour expiration. If you refuse or do not answer you will have all your war slots filled up with attacking Legion nations from the guys Cohort. We are all split into Cohorts and we compete to draw blood.

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You are are in big trouble now! Better accept pronto!

Edited: Hay wait, the guy your fighting isn't Legion. What's he talking about? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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That's what got me, I was careful to attack someone who wasn't affiliated with any alliance. Then I get a big ol' goon come and threaten me! Doesn't make much sense to me; if he's under the protection of The Legion, why isn't he in their alliance? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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Hold it... how many people have defected from here to "The Legion" >:o

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Not I!

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wtf why are you guys leaving? wow... you want to be in a good alliance but you won't stick around to help make it happen. Why would you join another alliance?