Re: Hats\' Off!
 

Yes, good game meister_miagi. I (Ermor) was really torn about attacking you. You had been a great neighbor all game, but after I saw everyone else ganking you, well, I figured I had to have a piece of the pie too.

Well, that small piece of pie was very costly. I lost the only groups I could call armies in totality, and gained only three provinces. Provinces I cannot defend, now that Caelum swoops down on us.

In retrospect, I should have ignored the calls to attack you, and instead fortified my eastern border with Caelum. After all, we knew he would attack sooner or later. Now Caelum sweeps over us like a great high tide, and we can do little to stop them.

Ahh, well. We will fight to the end, as always.

Re: Hats\' Off!
 

Thanks, it was fun up until the last few turns. I didn't think the Forge was considered that powerful, most of the good items were already forged anyways so it didn't do much good.

The mage who cast the Forge and the Well got diseased on the turn he cast it and he had only 1 hp left on the turn he was killed. I probably should have killed him off sooner myself, so everyone come after me!

Re: Hats\' Off!
 

The Forge allows not only constr 8 artifacts at a huge discount, but bloodstones, clams, and items for your thugs.

And with the forge and a dwarven hammer, you get a 75 percent discount on your robe magi, etc. It is not on the same level as Burden of Time or Arcane Nexus, but in the games I have played casting the Forge brought about immediate attacks-and many consider the casting of the Forge
to break existing naps as well.

The casting of Arcane Nexus, Burden of Time, Utterdark, Wrath of Gods all definitely break existing naps, and if cast, the player can expect attacks from every side the very next turn-nap or not.

In my other mp game, Epic Heroes II, Atlantis cast the Forge. Marignon and I who were at war and bitter enemies made peace the very same turn and both attacked Atlantis the next turn. And other Nations joined the attack as well.

So the Forge is not a global to cast lightly. If you tell a strong neighbor in advance you are casting it, and promise to make him stuff, you may gain an ally that will help fight with you as he directly benefits from the Forge as well.

Re: Hats\' Off!
 

lol, the AI did an excellent job, ignore my script and cast marble warriors on my unfrozen troops http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif This is the funniest battle I have ever seen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Ctis
 

With most every nation at war, or having been at war, Ctis sits alone building up with his vassal, Man. When you look at the score graphs, you may as well add Man's stuff to Ctis mountain. Though that is not necessary, as Ctis tops the charts by miles in his own right.

Look at the province, research, fort, and dominion score graph, and there is your clear winner of Fallacy. Without even having to dirty his hands much. Outstanding job, especially on the diplomacy side. Though I think the North had it a tad easier than the South with 3 nations on ai from the get go.

Should we crown him now or play a bit more? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Ctis
 

Agartha is invincible

Re: Ctis
 

In my opinion, it will be extremely hard to stop C'tis winning from here. Has he defeated anyone other than nations that were AI?

Pythium
 

C'tis is not known for our sense of humor, but the Bakemono sure know how to make a lizard laugh!

Pythium has not only higher gem income than C'tis, they also have the Sickle Whose Crop Is Pain. C'tis had a scout in a barbarian province just this month, and Pythium picked up 30 death gems from that battle! That's in addition to their gem income that's already higher than that of C'tis.

C'tis has pretty much maxed out on research, but it doesn't do a whole lot of good when C'tis doesn't have casters for Fog Warriors and nice stuff like that, which Pythium has. Did you not see the battle in Vanheim's capitol? Gem income is absolutely the most critical aspect of the game at this point. Well, research too, but it's only critical to have enough research, not to max out every single path.

C'tis can summon and GoR one Tartarian a turn, and maybe give him some okay gear. Pythium can summon at least three a turn, three just from the Sickle income alone, and they have the Aegis, Mage Bane, the Sickle, and nearly all the other good artifacts, except for the Chalice and the Scepter of Dark Regency. And it's not hard to take those away from me, with Pythium's ability to Wish.

Not that Pythium needs the Chalice, since they have Gift of Health up. Not that Pythium needs Tartarians, since they've got a legion of Harbringers in the Hall of Fame. But if they do want some Tartarian buddies for their angels, they also still have had Mother Oak up since the beginning of the game, so GoR is not a problem for them.

The only thing standing between C'tis and destruction is Invincible Agartha, who blocks the route of Pythium into our swamps which they seem to covet so dearly.

Re: Pythium
 

Pythium's only mages with death magic is its pretender, and 1 lamia queen. pythium's highest d mage of the 2 he has, is a level 3 d mage. Unlike Ctis, Pythium has no gor tartarians, or immortal demilichs.

Pythium highest s mage is 4s, and cannot even sniff wishing. Plus, pythium in an earlier handshake deal promised not to wish your chalice away, and pythium does not break his word or forget his promises.

Pythium tried unsuccessfully to trade ryleh for a 5s starspawn-in case Pythium ever did want to wish for something. Ryleh said he did not have any for trade. So Pythium's highest s mage remains 4s, and only a fool would empower a mage with extreme old age from 4 to 6. And i certainly have not.

While Pythium does have a large gem income, a huge chunk of that is from gale gate, and no one ever won a big mp game on the back of air gems. In crunch time, the game will be decided by s and d gems. And my d gem income is meager despite the sickle. There are not many barbarian provinces in the South, which is why i had to snag one in agartha's area(with his permission). btw, he did not snag 30, but 23.

So on most every turn, the sickle is idle. But if anyone in the world needs barbarians cleared from a province, send me a message. I am your man!

Besides I was trying to crown you champion VFB, you should accept your crown. you are much too modest.

Pythium is also the only race to promise not to cast arcane nexus, bot, utterdark, and astral corruption. The big fear of s gems is arcane nexus, and i have removed that weapon from my arsenal.

Besides who could siege those castles in that disease dominion?

Also tartarians have a wide variety of magic, and many of them have 3 air. So you do in fact have mages that can cast fog warriors, or any other combat spell your heart desires.

Re: Pythium
 

Well then, it is time for the world to see which of Pythium and C'tis is stronger then.

We must compete, to see who shall have the privilege of sitting at the right hand of Invincible Agartha's table, and who shall be seated on the left.

Re: Pythium
 

I doubt it will be much of a competition.

Re: Pythium
 

After received that wonderful gift which spell casting AI send to me last turn, I'm ready to end and admit a winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: Pythium
 

So there is going to be a game deciding war between Pythium and Ctis?

I know that the nation of the Bakemono are not as strong as the above nations and will admit to the winner of this war being the true leader of the world.

However, the invincible Agartha will always be the power behind the throne. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Pythium
 

That was hilarious Holyfrog. I mean, probably more hilarious for me. But still, very funny. Cold immune Unfrozen freezing to death.

That said, if you want to continue our little war, we shall then. It's not of much importance in the greater scheme of things.

Re: Pythium
 

Pythium is not fighting any war with Ctis, as it would be futile. We do not share a border with Ctis, and have no troops that can withstand his dominion.

But if Ctis is bored and attacks us, we will try to defend our borders, and ask our friends for aid.

Re: Pythium
 

Pythium is fighting a war with C'tis as of six posts ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

It is not futile for Pythium to delay war, it is wise. With your superior gem income, you grow stronger as time goes on, and you are able to bring your research on par with that of the lizards.

But C'tis is now wise to your ways, and we have seen how you beguiled your neighbors into taking the heaviest losses against Vanheim, while you end up with their capitol and huge tracts of land.

Re: Pythium
 

Ermor and Caelum have ended their mutual conflict.

Though they can offer nothing that will aid Pythium in a fight against gor tartarians, they can at least focus on research and build up their forces in case they suddenly share a border with Ctis.

Caelum and Ermor are wise. Though one race was winning that war, he realized what use is gaining some provinces, when you may be facing tartarians soon? Owning provinces you cannot defend is pointless.

Pythium is doomed-we know that. But we urge all other nations that are at war to end their petty wars. Gaining 10 or even 20 provinces will not matter. What matters is focusing your efforts on researching spells that can aid you when it is your turn to face tartarians. And you need to focus efforts on getting your own tartarians.

Pythium will go down fighting, and hopefully our death may buy the rest of the world the time it needs to catch up in research.

Do not waste your gems on any nation not named Ctis. For unless he can be beaten, all of your efforts are for naught.
Further weakening yourselves through war just aids his cause.

Pangaea, jotunheim, and shinuyama-you need each other. And you need each other to be strong. Each brings something unique to the table. You need peace, and you need a mutual defense pact against Ctis, so when he turns his eyes back to the North, you can stand united against him.

Whatever effort can be made, the chalice must be wished away from ctis. Even if it is a world effort. Though he likely has a vast stockpile of tartarians. Pythium sees 3 demilich plus his pretender right now-though my spies die of disease and my network is incomplete. That is at least 4 mages capable of summoning a tartarian every turn.

It is not our intent to engage our enemy with words in public discourse. The graphs speak louder than any words. And next turn when you see pythium's income and provinces plummet, the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. And Pythium will provide pictures of what you face, and a full accounting of what war with ctis entails on a turn by turn basis so you can prepare the better.

Any nation wanting more detailed information can contact me privately.

Re: Fallacy - New Game (Sign-up)
 

Perhaps invincible Agartha will come to the aid of a world in need!

Re: Pythium
 

So much for "noble" Pythium.

If C'tis had known you would whine and pule and greet like some lost child, we would have sent your a bucket for your tears along with our declaration of war.

Can C'tis hope that it is only fear, which has clouded the minds of your counselors, and impaired the vision of your spies? Or is it because you wish undue advantage, that you feel a need to embellish and exaggerate. Or perhaps Pythium's agenda is to seek to trick C'tis into disclosing the true composition of our forces. In any case, your lies sully the reputation that you seem to have invested so much effort in.

Pythium, send me your death gems, so that C'tis may summon four tartarians a turn. Send me your air and earth gems, that C'tis might equip them. Send me your nature gems, that C'tis might bestow reason on them. And for Pankreator's sake, send me your store of artifacts, so that C'tis may live up to the reputation that you seek to build for us!

If next month the graphs tell a tale of only losses for Pythium, and only gains for C'tis, then that is because you are avoiding the fight with our nation, so that other nations may fight in your stead. While you preserve your strength. While you take no risks. Perhaps a smart plan, but also a cowardly one.

So much for "noble" Pythium.

Re: Fallacy - New Game (Sign-up)
 

The world is really in need. In need of Helena the one true goddess and the guidance of the Agarthan Stone Oracles. All tribes, unite under the leadership of Agartha, become a vassal as C'tis, Jotunheim and Eriu are. Otherwise you suffer the same fate as Vanheim will face soon and Abysia and the fallen Mictlan already faced. Make the oath to Helena and Agartha's holy mission on the surface of the world is done.

Re: Fallacy - New Game (Sign-up)
 

Agartha, awake from your dream and come to the real world. The end game is here, and we do not need your ravings anymore, we need your help. Awake!!!

Re: Fallacy - New Game (Sign-up)
 

We should crown Helena the great as the true goddess, then this little world will go back to peace .

Re: Fallacy - New Game (Sign-up)
 

Caelum, your nation has been busy at war, so you should not be faulted. But in the chaos of your battles, it seems you may have missed your invitation to the coronation of she-whom-we-are-not-worthy-to-name. Emissaries of all other loyal Agarthan vassals, C'tis included, were there to witness the glorious event.

Sssla of C'tis

Re: Pythium
 

I cannot connect to the server and the status page isn't not acessiblre too...

Re: Pythium
 

The Server is back up now, and the turn hosted.

As promised, Pythium will keep you abreast of its war with Ctis. Because we admire our enemy, we will not engage in any name calling or insults. We will just post pictures, which are worth a 1000 words, with a small caption:

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/...5858aa542g.jpg


These Tartarians and mages were teleported and cloud trapezed into a remote province. Another gor tartarian teleported to yet another province. There also were 2 ghost riders, and 1 call of the wild.

Re: Pythium
 

Ha ha ha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Damn! Our posse failed to arrest your miscreant. The angel escaped with his gems, and his magic scythe too. Never mind ... he will need to bring some friends next time he goes barbarian hunting again!

C'tis

Re: Pythium
 

Ouch ouch ouch!

No .... not the dreaded Astral Shield! Stupid suicidal snake! You were scripted to cast Returning for a reason.

Pythium is killing the fabled Tartarians of C'tis like flies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

We must say, it was very nice to meet Pythium's own tartarian, though it was strange company she kept -- no angels, but a Wraith Lord, Bogus and friends, and a Skratti.

Re: Pythium
 

mine was not gor, with items and gems like yours are.

But yes, Pythium can make 1 now and again, though you saw my wraith lord had no d boosters on him, so i am not cranking them out by any means-and the sickle was idle yet again last turn. It is a rare turn we see some indies to kill.

Bogus and 1 friend-the archer.

A Jotunheim mage? Are you sure you do not need glasses?

Yes, you lost a tartarian. You gated it in next to my capital, and since i had no one else that could fight it, i had to risk my pretender. But I luckily won out. But you got to see my pretender anyway-it is not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

So you had 5 gor tartarians that can travel, you have 4 more in a castle with your pretender, and how many more gor tartarians that cannot travel?

You have gems to splurge on tidal waves, ghost riders, earth attacks, and your free monthly call of the wild, etc to rape my lands. And poor peaceful Pythium just wanted to be left alone(: to guide the faithful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Why are Man's bards in my area? Are you playing them directly or are they just your vassal and do as you tell them? (I am kidding about playing them directly btw).

Re: Pythium
 

Luckily our intrepid reporter was at the scene of the massacre!

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...inions/py1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...inions/py2.jpg

Re: Pythium
 

Nope, they are acting on their own accord. Man is a friend of our nation, but C'tis accepts no tribute from them, and we do not direct their actions. In any case we are happy to hear that they are bothering you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: Pythium
 

Strange that you have that picture in the battle of a mage named Xox. Of course it would be impossible for Pythium to have a jotunheim mage.

I wonder if a weird bug exists in the heroes file?

Re: Pythium
 

I thought you must have charmed him, like you did Bogus. Your battle replay shows a different unit? Shift-I says it is monster number 553.

Re: Pythium
 

How would I charm a jotunheim unit when we are not near each other and that mage cannot travel?

Re: Pythium
 

Well, I see the mage in the battle. I don't know what you mean by "it can't travel". It wouldn't have been impossible for Jotun to trade you a mage. He could have either sent it over on a Pocket Ship, or sneaked it overland or underwater.

You had mentioned trying to trade for a mage with Rlyeh in order to be able to cast wish, so I assumed you had done the same thing with Jotun, only in this case you had gotten a mage to access blood.

Do you see a different unit number in the battle? It's a bug for sure if you do.

Re: Pythium
 

Hmm a pocket ship-i never thought of that. I am having some fun with you. I was offering a puzzle-which has yet to be solved. Though a pocket ship would have been a good method.

It does appear Pythium ended up with a Jotunheim mage named Xox somehow. Maybe it was in the darkest days, and the Jotunheim empire was about to pass into the annals of history, and a bright young Pythium scholar offered to make Xox immortal and let him live on as an influential member of the Pythium society.

Little did we know at the time that the Jotunheim Empire will likely outlast the Pythium Empire. We may have to send an angel over to Jotunheim so if Pythium is no more, it can live on through its herald angel.

Re: Pythium
 

Well, I'll have to get back in character if it's not a bug, then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But first here's another guess at your puzzle:

unit 1 (Would you risk your god? Or maybe just send a Faery Queen):
Trapeze -> Charm x 5

unit 2:
Teleport -> Astral Shield, Body Eth, Personal Luck, Luck, Vortex of Returning

Peace with Pythium
 

C'tis has given up all hope of accomplishing anything against Pythium. We managed to deplete what little gem reserves we had, get some nice units of ours killed, and provide some exercise for Pytium's forces.

So, we abandon our futile war against them.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Is the world at peace? It looks as if Oceania is finished. So I am not counting them.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Pangaea is fighting off ruthless shin invaders, so the word is by no means at peace.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Vanheim isn't dead yet.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Vanheim is dead. Eriu is just having some issues breaching the walls of his last castle-a mountain fortress with 600 defense.

Though vanheim's dominion is most annoying, so i hope eriu throws more firbolgs to the task! Of course the Mighty Agarthians could crumble the walls down!

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Pan is not fighting off Shin invaders , Shin is evicting ruthless pan invaders from my lands.

And the world is indeed by no means at peace while pan beseiges Jotunheim's (my) capitol.

Such deception!

How quickly the animals learn the use of deceit, betrayel, and propoganda.

But of course noone had to teach Pan the worst vices of civilisation. They excel at them and have so from the beginning.

Way back before we were at war Pangea (Hadrian_II) bombarded me with 20-40 "rain of toads" before he even notified me our 3 turn nap was terminated.

Impressive use of that spell, and it did do a good job of wrecking my economy before we even went to war (officially).

However.... Everyone be aware that Hadrian does not honor his non aggression treaties.


XOX of Jotunheim ( also embodied in various other mercenary giants employed here and there thoughout the world).

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Eriu is workin' on it. Got another bundle of good guys on the way to claw at those walls.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

The Bakemono have been trying to evict the forest beings from the Giant's lands. However, now the billion berserk bloodied booby army have turned golden it is making it even harder to keep up with the swarm. He just keeps replacing them with more crazy women.

I have no plans currently to invade the forest beings lands and I am just trying to keep the Giants alive at the moment.

Why can't we all just get along? Girls.. giants are more manly than Pans. Look at those rippling giant muscles. Fur just gets in the way.

As for breaking the NAP, I know some people require NAP's to have a no anonymous ritual clause. I do not, since aggression whether it is anonymous or not is still aggression for me. I guess it just means we have to be clearer whenever we make NAPs.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Yes, that very issue just reared its head in my other mp game-Epic Heroes II. For amusement one can read Lolomo's(caelum) post which is close to the end. And Admiralzhao's reply(ermor).

heheheh.

Trade
 

Greetings everyone ! Caelum is trading Air and Fire gems for S&N gems.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

The glorious nation of Pangaea is appaled by the malificent lies of the dark and evil Empire of Jotunheim. Pangaea invaded Jotunheim on a humanitarian mission as even the cold grip of the Lich oppressing the Giant was not able to supress all opposition in his lands. When the Demons of Shinuyama would not have rescued their evil allies, then the reinvigorating presence of Pangaea would have have been able to rebuild the economy of the oppressed lands. Scouts report, that unrest in the Jotun capital is still way to high to support unit recruitments.

Hadrian-II of Pangaea

OOC: im now playing dom3 since it is out, and i have never ever broken a NAP. You on the other hand tryed to get an advantage by attacking me one turn before the 3 Turn grace period was off.

Rain of Toad is an anonymous ritual and therefore casting it cant be a violation of a NAP as no one did it. NAPs that include a ban of anonymous rituals or sneaking in troops are metagaming and i consider that quite lame.

Offcourse i did cast the rituals, so i did not whine in the forum when you really broke our nap.http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

and btw. calling other players liers because they are not metagamers like you are is rude. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

woo, where in the heck does the fevered imagination of anyone connect anonymous rituals to metagaming?

Hey, it's all in good fun, no worries. I take none of this personal, and i hope you do not either. You got me good, but..... it was a violation of the nap!!!

Attacking someone during a nap treaty is breaking a nap. Just because it is an anonymous ritual does not mean it is not an attack or not breaking your treaty of non aggression.

Trying to hide behind the anonymous part of it does not change the fact that an attack is breaking the treaty. And with that many attacks, then telling me you were terminating the nap and giving me the three turn warning after already delivering 20-40 of the continuing attacks it was really not anonymous anyways.

Naming you a treaty breaker is my right, calling me rude for doing so, is just evasion.

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

When it rains frogs in your capital, you cant say if the frogs were sent by pangaea or anyone else.

Nope, anonymous rituals cant break a nap, as they are anonymous. Also stealthy preaching, sneaking armies or to position huge armies on a border are not breaks of a nap. Even equipping vane venom charms on your scouts and sending them into the enemy capital is not a break of a nap (at least not until they are caught, and even then it is not a break of the nap but when someone would do that to me i would ignore the nap and attack the offender anyway).

An anonymous ritual is not an attack, or it is an attack but not by you, so it cant break a nap.

If in your opinion i have broken a pact, then you had another pact with me than i had with you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
A NAP is just an early game tool to make a deal with a player that both will attack some one else at first. Later on a nap gives you the chance to put your troops in position before the war starts (And your troops where in place as you invaded me with a huge army in the start of the war, if i really would have broken the nap you would not had that chance and the whole war would have been fought on your teritorry).

Re: Peace with Pythium
 

Hadrian: Judging from the ongoing discussions on this board, you have an odd notion of what an NAP is...What you're describing here seems to be breaking an NAP surreptitiously and trying to get away with it. No player with good reason to believe that you'd hit them with anonymous rituals would consider an NAP with you to still be in effect. Of course if you can keep it ambiguous enough -- like using rituals that your nation isn't known to possess, etc., you can probably get away with it for a while, but aggression is aggression. And you don't even seem to be trying to play the grey area here...

My guess is that players who know this is your attitude about them simply won't forge them with you anymore. Unless of course this is in-character banter about a Fallacy-specific conflict that I shouldn't be kibbitzing about.