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Wow, I accidentally sent in my OLD 2h file and staled my great attack!

Question: Reverse communion, how is that different from a normal communion? Shouldn't all that fatigue from all those spells wear down your casters (because it is shared)?

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Reverse comunion uses the fact that caster cast following their placement in the army setup page. So if you cast comunion slave but casta every turn before the master you will be able to cast.

The idea is using boosters, phoenix power, summon earthpower, light of northern star, astral power... so that slaves (the majority) can now cast better spells instead of S1 crap. Of course, you have to be carefull so that mages do not die of fatigue and it's quite risky if you set it up incorrectly.

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Ok guys, I used to play a lot of Warcraft 3 and once the game was beyond doubt it was customary to simply say 'gg' and resign. (I got a lot of practice at that...:))

In this game I've been hanging around because it's multiplayer and I even though my own fate is beyond doubt, I may play some small role, and I wouldn't want my resignation to affect the outcome.

However, I think we're at the point where that won't happen. I'll certainly stick around if people would prefer, but does anyone mind if I become AI controlled? Aezeal will take my last fort in 2 turns and then I'll just consist of a bunch of 2 resource sea provinces are aren't even worth him taking.

This game has been an awful lot of fun! Like I say, I want to do the right thing, and I can continue just taking my turns but I'd much rather start turning my attention towards the new games that are starting up.

PS: Karlem - thanks so much for the tips - exactly what I needed!

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There's nothing wrong going AI when you think there's nothing left that's worth captaining. After all, just pressing end turn isn't very fun.

If you're going now, I thank you for taking part this most excellent game we have had here.

PS: See you in Kingmaker http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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I agree. Go AI, no problem.

I also played WC3 a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm glad it helped you. See you next time. Good luck on that new game!

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A quick report from the trenches

Ulm continues to pester Mictlan as this turn I killed the ice devil Nycafor(he folded pretty easily to communion-powered paralyze+soul slay). In addition to that joyous victory I managed to feeblemind the ice devil Gaap, which means he will be easy pickings whenever I manage to fight him again.

Otherwise it was the usual take some provinces/lose some provinces. Oh, let's not forget our monthly toad monsoon, which rained into every fort I have as usual. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Thanks guys - gg! See you around no doubt!

PS: who wants to take over the admin? or do you just want me to post the password? I think the only action left to do is to declare the game over at some point. With 48 hour hosting delays are rare.

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Good luck James, you have been a great enemy. I might show up in kingmaker too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Can someone wiht acces to watermagic forge me demonbanes?

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Yes, of course, how many do you want? I'll send them to you by personal delivery http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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how much demons do you have http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Yeah...I'm gonna follow james243 out of this game, I litterally have ONE unit left. or... I FORGOT ABOUT MY... I failed strategy school...

Anyway, I declared my final move and am gonna drop out now. Good Game.

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Marignon.. help us against the usurper

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advance the game, no need to wait for patala

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James was the administrator, isn't it? We need a new one. Are you interested Aezeal?

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yeah I guess

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So, James/Llamabeast, can you give Aezeal the admin password?

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Depending on Mictlan's interest to attack my capital, Ulm will be gone or put AI in the near future. I'll make a last stand with my remaining troops when the time comes of course.

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put up a fight dammit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Ha! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I believe I have put up a good fight, after the initial shock of losing all my vampires due to my scripting failure, and I ain't done yet. Mictlan simply had too much stuff to begin with in this war so Karlem was able to attack on many more provinces than I could reasonably defend, let alone make effective offensive attacks.

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He has tried his best Aezeal, but I used dirty tactics http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif.

Stoping my demons is not easy at all, I think you'll notice quite soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (I hope http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ).

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yeah we'll see

what else do you have besides the demons?? (zenzei can answer too)

I do have some options of stopping them but not that much

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Aezeal, do you have the masater password?

Ghill, can you set yourself to AI? (Instead of just stalling)

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I have the password, can I set him to AI?

But if you do your turn I can just advance to the next turn too

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Aezeal, can you run the turn now? I think that Ghill should be set AI too, what do you think?

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I an't set him on AI though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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hmm I fear that this didn't go too well...

next turn will be deciding.. if it goes bad I'll forfeit the game to Karlem.. if it goes a lil better I'll try a bit longer.. but those devils.. it's hard beating them

I even faced one 2x last turn.. damn biffrons.. why does MY SC with eye shield loose 2 eyes to your eyeshield(GODDAMMIT MY ONLY SC) and your devil is unhurt

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The empty slot of the Air Queen should have been a Magic resistance amulet.

The eye shield works like this:

1.- Attacker thorws 2d6. Adds it MR.
2.- Defender throws 2d6 adds 10.

If attacker looses it losses an eye. So with MR18 attacker will loose once each 20 turn or so (guesstimate). With MR22 defender has 2,5% of getting a 12 in 2d6 and then has to win in second roll (it's open ended) against attacked 2d6 so a total of 1,25%. So in 50 turns with MR 22 attacker will loose one eye 50% of the times (aprox).

It's basically the same with everything that's why you couldn't paralyze Byfrons (that has MR24). I knew you had volvas there so uped his MR as much as reasonably possible.

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Karlem, could you please attack my capitol already so I could get over with this game? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Karlem.... stop stalling play your turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Ok, just run it now Aezeal.

Zenzei, I'm sorry but I will attack the capital when it's the moment, perhaps this turn, perhaps next http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif You have many things there and it's not so easy to take it. If you consider that the game isn't interesting you could go AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

Aezeal, good luck in next turn battle, are you prepared? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

BTW, sorry for the delays and so, but making my turn is not 5 minutes. Next game I will think it twice before taking a blood nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

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Heh, no way I'm going AI before the last big fight!

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Then just be patient... or not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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well the devils are what keeps you strong atm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Damn luck for your whole army

Anyway.. turn didn't go that well

I quit, Karlem has won.

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Twas a nice game IMHO, diplomacy went very well for me last half of the age.. everyone did what I wanted them to do.. to bad Karlem was so strong already. My starting battle with pythium and later arco and the fact I was a bit boxed in slowed me to much down. I didn't realize it then but I was behind in research and combat magician and forgers etc. My magic researched look reasonable but that was only because then I hardly had mages in the field and hardly anything forged or summoned.

Those fully kitted devil where way to much for me. Together with some nice high level spells..

GG Karlem

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Personally I'm in need for a new game now.. I really liked our group, well the ones I interacted with at least (no offence to the rest but I can't really judge it)

I'd like to play a MA game with some of you.. anyone interested? then we could ask lama to set something up and find a few others

James? Karlem? Zenzei? and the one who played Jomon?

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Hi Aezeal,

I'd be interested, except that I'm in 2 games already. And that's probably stretching it. But one of those is the megagame so i'll probably be gone in 5 turns or so... At any rate, lets definitely get in on a game soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif - keep in touch!

James.

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Well Aezeal, it has been an interesting game. Now that I have tartarians you surrender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif.

I supposed that you expected that batte to go better, but I was quite confident on the sword of augelmar. As you noticed full battlefield luck is a litle bit imba, and as my pretender was already cursed (last spell of Pythium) I didn't loose anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Only Marignon hasn't declared himself so I will continue to play the game until everyone concedes. Please be patient as it will take me eons to get all the world.

I am interested in a medium level (no newbie, no mega expert) MA game. If you set it up count me in.

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i concede too good game karlem

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you have tartarians too??? What magic have you researched I didn't think I was that much behind but I'm no where near real high level magic.

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hmm I asked llama if he could set one up, I don't think he'll refuse. I guess we'll just make it an open game (not experience requirements) for a medium number of pplz 8-12 I guess.

I asked llama if he had a nice map to use.

We'll see what he says.

I'll be pythium btw http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Yes I have tartarians, well, one tartarian right now, one each turn from now on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Chalice to heal feeblemind from them and N4 mage to GOR. full pack http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I have researched: Conj9, Alt4, Evo5, Const8, Ench4, Tau4, Blo7.

First I raced to Cons4, then after Tau2, Evo2, Conj 2 for site search Blood 6 and Alt 3. Afterwards rush for Const 8 for artifacts (chalice, sword, and some others) and then before the attack to Patala just Evo 5 and the others to get some flavour Battle Magic while going to Conj9 for Tartarians.

I got the national hero to summon them with death3 artifact to power him to 7 (and skull cap).

So Zenzei, please confirm and we close it. BTW how do we close it? Is there an admin option?

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no idea I'll look when I wake up

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Whoa, looks like a lot has happened since I last checked this thread(which wasn't long time ago).

Congrats to Karlem for the victory, well played all around (except for one little thing that really bugged me*). [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon44.gif[/img]

Too bad I didn't get to go away with a bang as I had planned quite an epic communion for my capital's last stand, provided Mictlan had actually attacked before all my forces deserted because of my lack of gold. I'm pretty damn sure I would have won that fight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Aezeal: If you set up a new game, I may join in but can't make any promises because I'm already in 2 games and Kingmaker starts soon too.

If anyone cares, I had conj 6/alt 6/evo 7/const 6/ench 3/thaum 7/blood 8 researched in this game and my great master plan was to put up astral corruption and burden of time on the same turn, which would have won the game for me pretty fast I think. This didn't work out because Mictlan grew too strong/fast in the mid game and I had to start making preparations for war against Karlem, obviously I didn't prepare well enough.

*Karlem, I really wondered the gear selection of your ice/arch devils as I think they weren't exactly optimal considering your available resources and forgers or did you just get lazy in equipping the devils because you had so many of them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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well what I saw of them was pretty decent
-frostbrand
-eyeshield
-ring of regen
-amulet of antimagic
-firehelmet
-some piece of armour

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Zenzei, could you please elaborate a little bit your post? I mean, what would you recomend to improve?

Just take into account that I have no earth mages and just one air mage.

Ice devils are by themselves quite hot against you because you had cold 3 dominion and they increase protection in cold so they could have prot 30 with just that, adding a tueky to body ethereal they were near invulnerable.

So please recommend me a different setup.

BTW I do not like hydra armours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. I know you like them a lot but they have prot 11 versus the other one's 15 and and put thems below the 'magic prot 20' that is what I consider a safe number. I had a limited ammount of nature/water gems (I used them mostly for my clams) at the beggining and was hoarding death gems for the Sceptre of Dark Regency (D5=40 gems).

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BTW regarding your last stand: I was going to soften you up a bit more and then have a go. My plan was to use howl multiple times (x6) so that you were attacked from behind since turn 1, a comunion for solar rays, many fliers and some BF enchants. That with the luck for entire battlefield should have give me an opportunity. Specially If I waited a little more (2 turns) before the attack.

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Put myself AI this turn, I forgot to do it when I surrendered to Mictlan. Midgård is also still controlled by human, is Aezeal still playing? If not, he should go AI too so this game would actually end and Karlem wouldn't have fight nonresponsive opponents.

@Karlem, here's some late replies since I haven't been watching this thread for some time:

Well, from what I saw you had neglected MR almost completely on your devil SCs. MR 18 way too low and had I realized this weakness early on my battle strategy against you would have been quite different. Remember that during my last turns I managed to kill both Nycafor and Ethanim very easily(at almost zero resource cost for myself) when I attacked their low MR. Personally, I consider MR 22 to be an absolute minumum for any kind of SC or heavily invested thug.

The second thing I considered to be sub-optimal was your armor selection(which was mostly dragon mails) combined with ring of regen. The same result and more would have been achieved with one Hydra Skin Armor (at half the gem cost and one less item slot spent). The few points of protection you lose with hydra skin are totally irrelevant when compared to the benefits imo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

It's obviously hard/impossible to give a catch all gear setup but for Magoth/Bifrons who are easily the best devil SCs my equipment selection would be like this:
-fire, frost or shadow brand
-lucky coin
-spirit or horror helmet
-hydra skin armor
-boots of quickness(Magoth) or messenger boots(biffrons)
-amulet of antimagic and amulet of reinvigoration

For more generic devil SC, say Oriax, I might give:
-fire, frost or shadow brand
-lucky coin or shield of gleaming gold
-spirit or horror helmet
-hydra skin armor or rainbow armor(MR!)
-messenger boots or boots of flying(if I needed him to be very mobile)
-amulet of antimagic and pendant of luck

Heh, the centerpiece of my plan was to totally blast the battlefield by casting fire storm + wrathful skies(combined with storm of course) via big reverse communion while making all my own mages immune to both respective damage types. Once the BEs would have been online my communion would have spammed astral spells and some gifts from heavens + falling fires. Reinvigoration would have been included of course.

BTW, what was your average blood slave income per turn? Also, how did you feel about the effectiveness of clamming, was it worth it or was the benefit coming too slowly?
I'm curious because when I do some clam hoarding it feels very wasteful without massive forge bonuses.

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Well, I do not like hydra armour, puts the SC too low in prto and I lilke to have innate prto of at least 20.

and about MR, I had just 2 SCs out of 7 with MR18, and one was because you feebleminded it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Couldn't forge spirit helmet and horror helmet uses death gems so.. or them or Tartarians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

But overall I agree with you.

I had BF antimagic and BF luck so your plan was going to have some problems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. Also some flyers to bypass walls and attack the mages and my own comunion to do some nasty things so it would have been quite balanced and I think jaguars would prove its value over skellies and wolves. But who knows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

I had about 100 slaves turn and the centerpiece of my plan that I have not said until now is.... a 40% BLOOD REDUCTION SITE! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. I had found that site since early game and that allowed me to put big amounts of blood rituals for low cost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif