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mlmbd April 14th, 2003 02:19 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Master Belisarius,
Quote:

(Hey mlmbd, at the end, my prediction was right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was close! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Quote:

Why not? As I told you, to me is far more hard to do a nice shipset, than a good AI!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would gladly exchange a shipset for a working AI. Problem with that is all you AI experts already have shipsets!

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font

Master Belisarius April 15th, 2003 12:47 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
I was close! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agree... Also, was more weird, because both races lost when they started in the down side.

Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
I would gladly exchange a shipset for a working AI. Problem with that is all you AI experts already have shipsets!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You know, if some day decide to start a new AI script, first will ask you!
But honestly, only would start a new AI, if feel that can do different AI, but challenging at the same time.

Master Belisarius April 15th, 2003 01:10 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Space Vikings vs Tessellate.

The Tessellate had not problems to defeat the Vikings, before the turn 180.

Here the link: Vikings_vs_Tessellate_E1.zip

mlmbd April 15th, 2003 03:16 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mlmbd:
I was close! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agree... Also, was more weird, because both races lost when they started in the down side.

Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
I would gladly exchange a shipset for a working AI. Problem with that is all you AI experts already have shipsets!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You know, if some day decide to start a new AI script, first will ask you!
But honestly, only would start a new AI, if feel that can do different AI, but challenging at the same time.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh I was not looking for an AI maker. I would not turn one down. I was just making a comment. Sorry, if that is what it came accross that way. I remember what you said when you started the AI for the Tessellate.

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font

Gryphin April 15th, 2003 05:13 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Go Tessellates Go!
Hmm, looks like I better hurry and get a background written for them. I wonder if I can use some of the games for inspiration.

Master Belisarius April 16th, 2003 01:09 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
Oh I was not looking for an AI maker. I would not turn one down. I was just making a comment. Sorry, if that is what it came accross that way. I remember what you said when you started the AI for the Tessellate.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I misunderstood your words!! Sorry!

Quote:

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Go Tessellates Go!Hmm, looks like I better hurry and get a background written for them. I wonder if I can use some of the games for inspiration.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Master Belisarius April 16th, 2003 02:06 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Pyrochette vs Narn Regime.

The Pyrochette won by points at the turn 500.
The Narn conquered Aaragu and later invaded Ashadra. But the Pyrochette attacked the other side of the map: first Abrion and next Cewandi, Cephedri and Cretrik.
Then, at the end think the Pyrochette's victory was deserved.
Again, is pretty clear that all the Mephsto's races had problems with the combination of this map and "low bonus", and then, don't think the Narn will be fighting for the championship.

Here the link: Pyrochette_vs_Narn_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 16th, 2003 03:31 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
CueCappa vs United Flora.

The United Flora had not problems to defeat the CueCappa, at the turn 196.

Here the link: CueCappa_vs_UFlora_E2.zip

mlmbd April 16th, 2003 05:18 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Master Belisarius,
Quote:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I misunderstood your words!! Sorry!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is not a problem. Sometimes I am a bit intense! OK, alot of the time I am to intense!

Quote:

Again, is pretty clear that all the Mephsto's races had problems with the combination of this map and "low bonus", and then, don't think the Narn will be fighting for the championship.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just goes to show how hard it is to make a really good balanced AI. I think you will agree, Mephsto designs some great AI's!

Gryphin,
Quote:

Hmm, looks like I better hurry and get a background written for them. I wonder if I can use some of the games for inspiration.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, what's the hold up? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font

Gryphin April 16th, 2003 06:35 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
The hold up is my state of mind

Master Belisarius April 16th, 2003 11:37 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
ust goes to show how hard it is to make a really good balanced AI. I think you will agree, Mephsto designs some great AI's!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agree... Anyway, the Narn and Toron are under the 8 better AIs, on this contest... it mean that under this game conditions, still they're great!

Ragnarok April 16th, 2003 11:49 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
I'm cheering for the Tessellates for the Death Match. I think they will make it to the finals at least; and then they will win it all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Well, I hope they do anyways.

Master Belisarius April 17th, 2003 12:43 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Toron vs Aquilaeian.

The Aquilaeian had a better start, but slowly the Toron started to counter-attack, and invdaded the Aquilaeian systems.
The Toron won by points at the turn 500.

Here the link: Toron_vs_Aquilaeian_E2.zip

Master Belisarius April 17th, 2003 02:00 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Pyrochette vs Space Vikings.

The Vikings crushed the Pyrochette very very fast!
They won at the turn 150!!

Here the link: Pyrochette_Vs_Vikings_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 17th, 2003 04:26 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Tessellate vs Narn.

A mostly balanced game. The Tessellate won by points at the turn 500.

Here the link: Tessellate_vs_Narn_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 17th, 2003 07:29 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Toron vs CueCappa.

The CueCappa defeated the Toron, at the turn 300.

Here the link: Toron_vs_CueCappa_E2.zip

mlmbd April 17th, 2003 07:56 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Gryphin;
Quote:

Originally posted by Gryphin:
The hold up is my state of mind
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, ewhat is wrong with your state of mind?

Master Belisarius;
Quote:

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
Agree... Anyway, the Narn and Toron are under the 8 better AIs, on this contest... it mean that under this game conditions, still they're great!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes they are. Even if I do not know enough to design a great AI myself! I can and do see greatness where it is! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font

Master Belisarius April 17th, 2003 11:20 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
United Flora vs Aquilaeian

As expected, the United Flora had not problems to defeat the Aquilaeian.
The United Flora won before the turn 250.

Here the Link: UFlora_vs_Aquilaeian_E2.zip

Master Belisarius April 18th, 2003 02:28 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Narn Regime vs Space Vikings.

The Space Vikings got a deserved victory against the Narn Regime. They won at the turn 230.

Here the link: Narn_vs_Vikings_E1.zip

Dralasite April 18th, 2003 05:11 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
I don't know how, but this thread has single handedly convinced me to play some more solo games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Master Belisarius April 18th, 2003 05:16 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Dralasite:
I don't know how, but this thread has single handedly convinced me to play some more solo games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Still I play solo games, time in time...

[ April 18, 2003, 16:17: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

Master Belisarius April 18th, 2003 05:47 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Tessellate vs Pyrochette.

The Tessellate defeated the Pyrochette very fast... even starting in the upper side. They won before the turn 140.

Here the link: Tessellate_vs_Pyrochette_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 18th, 2003 06:10 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Aquilaeian vs CueCappa.

The CueCappa defeated the Aquilaeian before the turn 320.
Looks like on this group, the Aquilaeian will be the AI eliminated...

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_CueCappa_E2.zip

Master Belisarius April 18th, 2003 09:20 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
United Flora vs Toron

The United Flora won by points at the turn 500. This was the first game on this contest, that an AI resisted a game until the turn 500 against the United Flora! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Here the link: UFlora_Vs_Toron_E2.zip

[ April 18, 2003, 20:20: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

Master Belisarius April 19th, 2003 02:54 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Tessellate vs Space Vikings.

The Tessellate won a decisive game for the first place, against the Space Vikings, at the turn 408.
Around the turn 300, still was a balanced game and the Vikings was strong, but around the turn 350, was clear that the Tessellate will win.

Here the link: Tessellate_vs_Vikings_E1.zip

mlmbd April 19th, 2003 05:11 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
Tessellate vs Space Vikings.

The Tessellate won a decisive game for the first place, against the Space Vikings, at the turn 408.
Around the turn 300, still was a balanced game and the Vikings was strong, but around the turn 350, was clear that the Tessellate will win.

Here the link: Tessellate_vs_Vikings_E1.zip

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seems the Tessellate are on a roll!

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Master Belisarius April 19th, 2003 07:13 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
With the current game settings and map, I think the Tessellate and United Flora are the best AIs.

mlmbd April 20th, 2003 03:21 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
With the current game settings and map, I think the Tessellate and United Flora are the best AIs.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which of the two is going to walk away on top?

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Master Belisarius April 20th, 2003 09:29 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
With the current game settings and map, I think the Tessellate and United Flora are the best AIs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which of the two is going to walk away on top?

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Think the UF probably would be the winners. They expand fast and the Tessellate have problems (like all of my AIs on this contest) to produce enough Research Points and Intel Points.
Anyway, the Tessellate have a great advantage: if they can reach the end game, their Skip armor weapons have advantage over the UF ships.
At the end, still think that probably the UF will win, but can't bet it.

Master Belisarius April 22nd, 2003 04:51 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Narn vs Pyrochette.

The Narn defeated the Pyrochette by points, at the turn 500.

Here the link: Narn_vs_Pyrochette_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 23rd, 2003 02:31 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
United Flora vs CueCappa.

The CueCappa did some holes into the UF territory, and some attacks... but the UF won again at the turn 360.

Here the link: UFlora_vs_CueCappa_E2.zip

The UF played 18 games on this contest and has not defeats!

Dralasite April 23rd, 2003 05:35 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
I can't wait for the big United Flora vs Tesselate battle.

I'm a little suprised that CueCappa has made it so far. In my solo games, they tend to be middle of the road, unlike say UF. Has CueCappa been updated recently? Maybe I have an old copy. I'll have to check.

Master Belisarius April 24th, 2003 05:14 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Dralasite:
I can't wait for the big United Flora vs Tesselate battle.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Think I should skip all the other games! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Quote:

Originally posted by Dralasite:

I'm a little suprised that CueCappa has made it so far. In my solo games, they tend to be middle of the road, unlike say UF. Has CueCappa been updated recently? Maybe I have an old copy. I'll have to check.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is the Version included into the TDM, done by Rollo. Was suggested by Primitive, and I'm glad that him did it!

Master Belisarius April 24th, 2003 05:40 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Aquilaeian vs Toron.

The Aquilaeian won by points at the turn 500. During a good time was a balanced game, but at the end the Aquilaeian was close to erase all the Toron's systems.

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_Toron_E2.zip

Master Belisarius April 24th, 2003 06:13 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Space Vikings vs Pyrochette.

The Vikings won a deserved game, at the turn 400.

Here the link: Vikings_vs_Pyrochette_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 26th, 2003 12:33 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Narn vs Tessellate.

After a long and boring game, the Tessellate won by point after the turn 500.
They had many ships (more than 500), and don't know why... but they decided to do not finish the Narn's planets.
Also, the Narn closed the WP in the Bardron system... and because the Tessellate don't build Warp Openers when the AI is in the Defensive mode, they never attacked this system...

Here the link: Narn_vs_Tessellate_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 26th, 2003 05:06 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
CueCappa vs Toron.

The CueCappa won at the turn 310.

Here the link: CueCappa_vs_Toron_E2.zip

Aquilaeian vs United Flora.

The United Flora won a fast game, at the turn 180.

Here the link: Aquilaeian_vs_UFlora_E2.zip

Vikings vs Narn.

The Vikings won by points, at the turn 500.

Here the link: Vikings_vs_Narn_E1.zip

Master Belisarius April 27th, 2003 09:49 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Pyrochette vs Tessellate

The Tessellate won at the turn 345.

Here the link: Pyrochette_vs_Tessellate_E1.zip

Then, the standings in the group E1 are:

Tessellate 6 points
Space Vikings 4 points
Pyrochette 1 point
Narn Regime 1 point

Then, the Tessellate and Space Vikings will be in the next round.
To determine the third place, I will run a tie break between the Pyrochette and the Narn Regime.

Dralasite April 28th, 2003 07:33 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Think I should skip all the other games!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif The idea had occured to me. But as long as you are willing to continue, it would probably be best to do all the rounds. We wouldn't want to make any other AIs feel left out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

mlmbd April 29th, 2003 01:41 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Dang! I can hardly wait! Just to let you know. I would like to compliment for your efforts and your AI as well! <font color=gold>Bravo, Master Belisarius, Bravo!</font




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Master Belisarius April 29th, 2003 02:06 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mlmbd:
Dang! I can hardly wait! Just to let you know. I would like to compliment for your efforts and your AI as well! Bravo, Master Belisarius.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks mlbd!
Although know is not possible to run a fair contest for all the AIs, think I did my best effort, and at least now we have some decent elements to say what are the best AIs.

Master Belisarius April 29th, 2003 02:07 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Dralasite:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Think I should skip all the other games!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif The idea had occured to me. But as long as you are willing to continue, it would probably be best to do all the rounds. We wouldn't want to make any other AIs feel left out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Well... after all I did lots of games, and think some more will not hurt me.

Master Belisarius April 29th, 2003 02:28 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
CueCappa vs Aquilaeian.

The CueCappa won at the turn 500 (but not by points!!).

Here the link: CueCappa_Vs_Aquilaeian_E2.zip

If in the next match, the Toron can't defeat the United Flora, we will need a new TieBreak.

Is pretty clear to me, that with this map and game settings, all the Rollo's AIs are the best.
The Mephistos AI's had problems with the resources, and my own AI's had problems with Research/Intel... then, is not a surprise to me that the Pyrochette/Narn and Toron/Aquilaeian are fighting for the Last place to be in the next round. And my guess is that the Narn and Toron would win (the TieBreaks, of course!).

[ April 29, 2003, 01:29: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

mlmbd April 29th, 2003 04:18 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mlmbd:
Dang! I can hardly wait! Just to let you know. I would like to compliment for your efforts and your AI as well! Bravo, Master Belisarius.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks mlbd!
Although know is not possible to run a fair contest for all the AIs, think I did my best effort, and at least now we have some decent elements to say what are the best AIs.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed! You do set out to make as fair as possible. It would impossible to be totally fair to all the AI's. After all they have different designers. What is good for this one, this time. Could make it bad for the same AI next match!

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font

Master Belisarius April 30th, 2003 01:13 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Toron vs United Flora.

The United Flora crushed the Toron, at the turn 150.

Here the link: Toron_Vs_UFlora_E2.zip

Then, the standings in the group E2 are:

United Flora 6 Points
CueCappa 4 Points
Toron 1 Point
Aquilaeian 1 Point

I will run a TieBreak to see who get the third place.

Master Belisarius May 1st, 2003 01:50 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Pyrochette vs Narn Regime.

The Narn won the first game in the TieBreak, at the turn 500 by points.

Narn = 13.8M
Pyrochette = 1.9M

Here the link:Pyrochette_vs_Narn_E1_TB1.zip

Master Belisarius May 2nd, 2003 01:41 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Narn vs Pyrochette.

The Narn by points at the turn 500, and then, got the 3rd place in the group E1.

Here the link: Narn_vs_Pyrochette_E1_TB2.zip

Master Belisarius May 3rd, 2003 05:45 PM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Toron vs Aquilaeian.

The Aquilaeian defeated the Toron, at the turn 500.

Link: Toron_vs_Aquilaeian_E2_TB1.zip

Aquilaeian vs Toron.
The Aquilaeian won the game at the turn 380. Then, they got the place for the next round.

Link: Aquilaeian_vs_Toron_E2_TB2.zip

Then, for the round 6th, here are the Groups:

GROUP F1
Tessellate
CueCappa
Aquilaeian

GROUP F2
United Flora
Space Vikings
Narn Regime

Master Belisarius May 5th, 2003 12:41 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Tessellate vs CueCappa.

The Tessellate defeated the CueCappa at the turn 500 by points. Interesting but both races lost their homeworlds!

Link: Tessellate_vs_CueCappa_F1.zip

Dralasite May 6th, 2003 12:05 AM

Re: AI DEATH MATCH 2
 
Just curious, how many AIs did we have that lost all matches? Unless you have the info handy, I can look through the old Posts and figure it out.


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