Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Its been a long time since I played a high tech level game but I don't know if we should play one of those on the top of the hill. If you want to:
*Balanced System Mod map
*manual placement
*good home world
*high tech level
*0 racial points
*no talisman
*no intelligence
*koth defaults for the rest

If not:
*Balanced System Mod map
*manual placement
*good home world
*no intelligence
*koth defaults for the rest

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

I think anything can be played for the hill. I seem to recall a game with full tech and 10 homeworlds (LOL) but not positive that was for the crown.

Your suggestion sounds fine to me:

*Balanced System Mod map
*manual placement
*good home world
*high tech level
*0 racial points
*no talisman
*no intelligence
*koth defaults for the rest

I would only add that I would prefer the map be on a larger-than-normal small spiral or a smaller-than-normal medium spiral. (just trying to avoid one of those 15-system maps that sometimes pop up).

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Well since its only turn 2400.4, that must mean were neighbors!

My empire will have to send a negotiation ship to your home world demonstrate our peaceful intentions! (The Raptor ambassador said while smiling and showing lots of teeth!)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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When you open the next turn you'll see my ambassador...just a nice unarmed colony ship that wandered into some rough territory http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Empire uploaded. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well, POOP! For some reason, I was waiting on you to "OK" my last little request and now I'm stuck at work without an empire. I'll have to work it up at home tonight (which will be after Alneyan has turned in for the night) so maybe we can get started sometime tomorrow.

Here's (raises an imaginary glass of wine) to a good game my wicked friend!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

I may be able to set it up tomorrow around 0700 GMT, though it's unlikely, given the higher odds of screwing up right after getting out of bed. It will go online sometime around 1300 GMT otherwise.

The updated KOTH is now online. Geoschmo reminded me to check my logs, and I noticed Fyron had answered me almost two days ago (I shut down my computer at 3 am while sleeping, so I didn't notice them). Nothing had changed on his side, so it was a problem on mine, namely caps that had sneaked by.

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That's quite alright. It would be hard for me to complain since I was the slackard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

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Not a huge deal, but it looks like you forgot to remove the finished game between Parabolize and Vadim Bey.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Alneyan, The KOTH link in your sig is pointing to the old KOTH page.

I found the new KOTH page at "http://koth.spaceempires.net/"


Old one is "http://www.spaceempires.net/koth/".

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Both addresses should behave the same (I know I use either of them, depending on my mood). I know Fyron prefers the koth.se one, but I have grown quite fond of the se.net/koth address myself.

Geoschmo: I'm busy boosting the number of games being played here, so please be quiet about that, m'okay? I will remove the "ghost" game.

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Looks like the one in your sig is working now! The one in your post ????

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The one in my post was a pseudo link, as I felt lazy. I should remove something so it isn't made into a real link.

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BTW are we playing 1.91 or 1.94?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Looks like 1.91 (according to PBW).

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Thats a good thing because 194 is failing horribly in wine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Yeah, the game was created prior to the Deluxe patch, and I'd rather wait for a while before all new games switch to this version, so all bugs within the patch can be found, players can complain (everybody has broadband or patience to download the big thing?), and so on.

If already running games make the switch, a PBW admin has to make the relevant modification.

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Just a "heads-up" for whenever our game starts: Early Tuesday morning, I'll be driving to visit family during the holidays. So, I'll be unavailable for Tuesday - Saturday (when I return).

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PBW is back up, so go go go! I went with the "bigger than small" sort of map, using the standard value of 100 max systems.

On an aside, I forgot to set the racial points to 0 when creating the genuine game (you might notice that when exporting your Empire), but I did check your two Empires before, and they both passed under 0 racial points. And no ruins sneaked by this time! Hurray!

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Thanks, Alneyan! My first game in months.

BTW, Parabolize, are you getting turns via email? I'm not.

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2401.1: Renegade 13 surrenders to Glyn. After having my homeworld pounded by a few missile frigates, my spaceyard destroyed and only a couple ships left, I see no way of winning this thing.

Unfortunately (for me) we started in systems directly adjacent to each other. I happened upon him with a colony ship and promptly sent in a couple missile frigates to shake him up a bit. They did a bit of damage, but were subsequently destroyed. After that I think I focussed a little too much on expansion not striking fast and hard...which was what Glyn chose to do. After a lucky break for him in which my missile frigate was destroyed by his identically designed missile frigate (without a scratch on his, of course! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) he was able to get to my homeworld unopposed. He got another lucky break with that first ship, destroying only one facility on my homeworld, but that was (of course! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif ) my spaceyard. After that I was pretty much toast, especially when another couple missile frigates joined in the slaughter.

Alneyan, please move me to the bottom of the hill yet again, and I think for all my future games I'm going to specify manual placement!! I hate losing due to luck and bad posititioning...and maybe a little bad management. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Renegade,
I am willing to replay the game with manual placement! The game really was decided very much by luck. It was a little too quick and to much chance for my liking.

BTW, If you had continued your attack my empire, you would have bankrupted my empire within 4 turns just from blockading my homeworld.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Reference the previous 2 posts and unlucky placement.

"Ahem. Cough, cough."

(please see my earlier posts on Balance mod and a comment on the sad number of times one is placed next to an opponent in a KotH game)

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

I don't think I was getting email but I got the last one. Anyway, I forgot about warp openers and closers. You want to play with them or do the usual?

Edit: I should also read the PBW status thread before posting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Doing a double-take when you posted the game made me wonder if you wanted steller or not. Kind of took that into consideration when I designed my empire but I'd be willing to drop the Opener/Closer portion of stellar manipulation and keep the rest.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

I’ve never played with the balance mod, but I understand that it produces a more predictable map that is less interesting to play on.

A simple solution would be to request a gentlemen’s agreement that ether player can ask for a restart within the first 5 turns for extremely poor starting placement. Example of valid reasons for requesting a restart: Home worlds in adjacent systems, expansion is blocked by a black hole. Less valid reasons: all the colonizable worlds found so far suck.
Players would be on their own honor not to abuse the agreement. Players could request it after the 5th turn but their opponent would be required to accept it.

This way it wouldn’t place any additional burden on the KOTH admin, nor require special mods.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Lets play with them then.

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I can get by without openers and closers without it being a big deal but if you want to play with full stellar, that's fine.

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Have to close down for the night. Have a problem that I can't figure out and it's screwed me TWO turns now! Need to find out what's happening by asking a question because the game is screwing up and not telling me anything! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

nah, I already started to build one lets just play with them.

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ugh, that doesn't sound good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

From the perspective of the server, that is impossible. koth.se.net is just a redirection to se.net/koth directory. Any problem would be browser cache related. Hittng ctrl + f5 (maybe 2 or 3 times) when viewing the site will clear up such issues.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Glyn: Slynky's other point was about manual placement alone, where someone (*Waves*) sets two starting points, relatively balanced and not close to each other. The standard KOTH map is rather small (though I don't pick the smallest small maps), so you should still expect contact early on, but you aren't going to come right on their homeworld on turn 2.

The Balance Mod is something else separate from manual placement, though all Balance games normally also involve manual placement. The mod itself is not required for play, as it is merely used when creating the map.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

And, it doesn't necessarily have to be Alneyan to do manual placement. I've created games and placed players as a favor plenty of times. No need to overwork the "KotH Keeper" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

If Renegade is agreeable, I would like to restart our game using manual placement, with the balance mod (see what its like), no Intel, and standard default for everything else.

In any case I would like to declare the previous game Glyn vs Renegade disqualified as counting for any KOTH. Call it a draw.


BTW in a game with only 21 systems the odds are 5-15% of starting in adjacent systems. Really about 5% per warp point in your home system.


Out of curiosity what do you look for when making manual placements?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

I have gone ahead and uploaded a new game in your own game, using the same settings (except for placing). If Renegade doesn't wish to play it again, I will keep the previous results. I suppose you didn't get a mail about the new turn.

I put the starting spots in roughly equivalent situations in the galaxy (so I like maps that are somewhat geometrical), and with a fair distance between them, though it seldom is (and cannot be) the maximum.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Cool, I did get the email with a new turn, but I hadn't realized it was a new game! Hadn't looked at it yet.

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So sorry for not responding to this for the past few days, my internet has been down for the past day and a half http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif . It's ok with me to restart (of course it is, I lost! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif ), but there's really no need to do so, I lost fair and square! But since you're obviously willing to restart, I guess all I can say is thank you! Hopefully this game will be more based upon skill, less upon luck.

Good luck, and you'll probably beat me again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

It’s not important whether you win or lose, it how much fun you have toying with your pray before they fall!!!

Good luck to you too and I’ll probably beat you if you don’t beat me first!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Off to Ohio. Back on Saturday night.

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Re: Grandpakim vs. Fuzzie

Fuzzie has surrendered. My fighters and lion's share of the quadrant made the difference. I'm ready to move up the hill and get pummeled.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Yeap, THOSE darn fighters. :} Good luck in your next game Grandpakim!

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Re: Rathar vs. Gozguy

After an amazingly fun and tough game I have defeated my foe and we are both ready to fight our new opponents.

I got amazingly lucky and captured some population early on whose added production capabilities made the difference imho.

Rathar

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Congrats to you, Rather! Nice move on capturing the pop/breathers.

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King of the Hill Game:

I always cringe when I play Parabolize in a fulltech game. The last time we played, I think he clobbered me. This game, I got lucky...my warp opener was ready on the turn I found his homeworld and I was able to make a path to it so my fleet could move to it in one turn. It was lightly defended and after the loss of the homeworld, Parabolize surrendered.

It's always a good game in fulltech with Parabolize! Thanks for a good game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Full tech and Warp openers allowed in a game against Slynky? Sounds like a guaranteed receipe for disaster to me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Well, not with Parabolize. I think we've played 4 (maybe 5) games of full tech and he's very dangerous. As to warp openers, we've cut them out before but this time, nothing was said till after the game was near 5 turns or so. So, we kept them. He had a closer and an opener WAY before me!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

SM allowed always sounds like a disaster in the making to me, regardless of who is playing. Who suffers following the disaster is another matter altogether, though.

KOTH has been updated. I have lost some of my favourite toys due to a computer crash, so this update took a bit longer than is ordinary (the switch from WYSIWYG to actual HTML code is a bit brutal). It will be fine now.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

Well, it looks like Rather is up for the next game. I prefer to play with the Balance Mod (will explain it if necessary). Do you have any suggestions for game settings, Rather?

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Well.. I am a fan of 3 good planets, no intel and manual placement to insure that we don't start right next to each other. # of points doesn't matter much to me as I can adjust to anything in that realm but I dunno about the balance mod as it seems a bit dull in a predictable sort of way (never played with it so what do I really know but..)

Everything else can be on if you desire as I can build warp openers as fast if not faster than you can and things like mines are only temporary speedbumps.

I also have to admit to liking low tech starts as I feel that I can research like mad but tis all good in this area too!

Anyways, continue the discussion here or shoot me an e-mail, johnmcniece@cox.net

Oh yeah and it's RathAr http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif