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OK, guys, don't fall for ANY of that, "do I still remember how to play" stuff. That trick is so old, I'm surprised he would use it when he SURELY remembers all the others http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

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Okay Houston, we've got a problem here. My ISP is again gving me trouble.

Geoschmo, could you please create games until further notice? I may be able to update the website, though I'll have to check. More info later... hopefully. Please use email for contact, especially if you wish a quick reply (this thread is fine if you do not expect a reply, or can wait for a while - as in a day or two).

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*scruffs the dust off*

Shake in terror, Hill! I have returned!

(says the competator with a sub 1.0 win/loss ratio..)

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LOL...speaking of shaking in terror, I notice you got real brave after Asmala got paired up (*wink*).

Just kidding! Welcome back. The "Hill" welcomes the population boom.

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Ok, I suppose that that means Rather faces Phoenix-D next. I'll get that one setup shortly. Alneyan will have to update the website when he can get his isp issue straight.

Rand surrendered in our game, so he's the next waiting at the bottom of the hill. I see Alneyan added a new level, but I'm currently the only one on it and Goz is waiting for an opponent on the level below me. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Slynky, Glyn and Granpdakim get through their King matches faster then I can get an opponent here on the new level? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Actually, it looks like I'll be alright, though you should stand watch for now. I'm using a wireless adapter now, and it works well enough for what I want to do. The only problem is that it's a loan, so I need to get one of my own (or otherwise secure access to the thingy).

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Looks like RL has caught me again so please take my name off the hill. When I return, I'll be glad to start back at the bottom since I'll be rusty.

Geo, I will continue with the 2005 open but playing both these fast paced games will be too much.

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I'd suggest keeping 3 levels all the time...and if the king is NOT in a game, then anyone on the 3 level awaiting a game can go ahead and move up for a "king match". Not sure if the "automated website management" tool can handle pushing someone to the challenger position but it would seem to be a good way to keep games going and maintain 3 levels during the more "busy" times.

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It's your call of course, you know better then anyone how much you can handle. But I'd hate for someone to walk off the hill when they've gone through so much to get to the top like that. There's really no reason to stress about the tourney game. Round one still isn't completely over. I don't think the guys in the last game have even met yet. I can start your round two game any time now, but there's no reason you couldn't take your time with the turns. It's not like anyone will be waiting on you.

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Arm the game, admins. These settings are fine.

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Glyn, there is some sort of problem. The turn looks the same to me.

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I don't know what to do here as:

The turn I did the last time had me discovering GAS technology (not minding giving away a piece of the game since it seems to be coming to a close...)

I designed a colony ship to settle gas planets and a few other things. Submitted my turn on PBW and it sat green (meaning my turn was submitted and yours wasn't).

Just for grins, I checked PBW website and saw that the game was listed as yellow (meaning I needed to send a turn). That meant to me that you had submitted a turn closely following mine. But, when I downloaded the file labeled 48, it turned out being the same as the turn before...it told me I had discovered gas tech again.

So, I'm confused!

Anyone have any input on this sort of thing because I haven't see this sort of problem before. And, if I just do the turn over and design new GAS colony ships...what the hell is up with that since I designed them last turn?

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If you look at the turn log you guys uploaded within two seconds of one another:
Jan 22, 2006 6:21:10 PM EST
Uploaded game turn (glyn)
Jan 22, 2006 6:21:08 PM EST
Uploaded game turn (slynky)

I have heard reports of a rare glitch where you download the next turn and it somehow gives you the previous turn file. When you mouse over or click the "Get turn" button what is the file name for the turn file? It should be "kothsvg_48.zip". If you are still seeing "kothsvg_47.zip" you are getting an after-image. Try holding ctrl and hitting F5 to clear your browser cache, or logging off and back onto the PBW website.

Geoschmo

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Thanks, Geo. But still comes out the same. I'll redo the turn and see what happens. I'll design and build gas colony ships again. I guess if this is the way you say it is, then I actually missed seeing a turn (though I looked at 47 and saw no "gaps").

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No, don't do that. Your turn is going to get messed up I'm afraid. Send me an email with your password and let me look at the turn.

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Oh that was the problem you were talking about.

I did experience a problem where if you upload your turn then click on the game info icon after a few minutes after it finished processing that the download file icon would still be pointing to the previous turn’s file.

I found if you click on the view all games icon then select the game it pointed to the correct download file.

I think the icon panel was not updated along with the game information panel so it got out of sync.

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Well, best I can figure, I must have gotten the wrong turn somehow, Glyn. Not sure how. I will say my email service has been weird lately as, on Sunday, I received your reply from my Saturday message and it was dated that you sent it on Saturday. Several other emails arrived late as well during the weekend.

So, when I was playing my turns/uploading and after it was processed, normally, the turn arrives in my email within the minute. If it didn't arrive after 3 or 4 minutes, I would just download from the site. That email glitch from my provider may have caused the problem somehow yet I never replayed a turn until I got the latest turn and it said I had just discovered gas tech. *shakes head*

Hopefully, my submittal (against Geo's advice) won't cause a problem.

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K.O.T.H. Mwbard vs Asmala

Mwbard surrenders at turn 39. No time for big battles, the game was settled by colonizing speed. Even though we started at opposite sides of the galaxy, I was able to corner Mwbard quite well and I had about 4/5 of systems. That big difference in planet amount would've settled the game sooner or later, and probably sooner.

Good game, thanks Mwbard. Pretty fast too, took only a little under week to finish it.

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Hmmm, doesn't sound like someone who is rusty http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. Sounds more like somone who misses being on the throne. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif.

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Excuse of the day for the late update: maintainer spent too much time fiddling with driver wrappers, Wifi USB adapters, and Linux. KOTH has now been updated, and I'm back on a working OS.

I've taken down Grandpakim as per his wishes (though he may be resurrected still, should he ask to be brought into the Hill). Everything else should be up-to-date; if not, feel free to yell at me.

I like your proposal Slynky, and will probably include it in the next rules revision; I was planning to make a few changes, most notably the part about "you can express a preference about who you want to play with" (I do not think it has ever been implement, and would be fairly unpractical without a host of players) and ditching everything relating to 1.49 (the Deluxe patch being the answer).

Edit: a *device* wrapper - as if. Did you know graphic cards were twice as fast if you bent them in the proper manner? A driver wrapper, now that sounds more like it.

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Slynky successfully defended his place as KOTH by trouncing the empire of Glyn in all categories.

I liked starting off at medium tech level.

Lessons learned: There are subtle differenced in expanding and exploiting a balanced map. Strategies used in stock maps may the most efficient in a balanced map.

I did liked starting off at medium tech level.

Sorry Alneyan, you'll have to update the KOTH page again. Besided change is good!

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Well, you may be on to something...personally I like to keep my graphic cards straight and never even dreamed the would operate faster if I bent them some. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Thanks for the game, Glyn. Had me worried several times! And thanks for the regular and fast turn times.

It would be interesting to hear different takes on the changes one would make in playing a balance map. Personally speaking, I know it has cut out a lot of cursing at my house (when you go through the 2nd nebula only to find a 3rd...you get my meaning) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

As to Geo's v2.0, I'll have to go back and read it to see the difference between ice/rock and gas. This version had a nice randomness to it that made me cross my fingers each time I moved to a new system yet NOT presenting me with black holes and such things. I think it's a good improvement. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif (polite bow)

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Now, we just have to wait for Geo, party-animal that he is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif, to hit the boards this morning and see he has a match.

I wonder what kind of suggestions he'll have for settings (scratches chin as he ponders the vast reaches of Geo's imagination).

I believe I've played against Geo more than any other player...around 6 or 7 games, I'd say. But it's been a while...I'm sure I'll have to roll up my sleeves.

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A good game thanks Slynky.

The only problem I noticed with the balance mod was that some rock and ice planets had a matching ice or rock moon. I don’t known if the balance mod can be made to prevent having a moons and planets of the same type. Not a big problem, but it would be just a bit more balanced.

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If you mean there was a matching, for example, ice planet with an ice moon, that's true but I don't remember finding a planet with my atmos type AND a moon with my atmos type together. I did a quick check and didn't notice one.

On the other hand, I think there was a large or huge breathable (gas) planet in each system for you where on my side of the map, sometimes my breathable was a small (or tiny, I think).

But, Geo mentioned something like this, I think, in his long description in the Balance thread, so I think this was intentional...that rock/ice people would have more planets on average but gas people would have fewer but larger. Or something like that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

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Yeah, there isn't anything preventing it actually. There probably aren't too many, so they won't show up often and might not even occur in every map. But actually I think that preventing it could be accomplished fairly easily. I'll play around with that some and see if I can work it into a later revision.

Slynky, you and I have played each other so often I doubt there will be many suprises. And since I assume we will be using a balance map I don't have the possibility of you getting a bad start to give me a leg up, which was the only way I've been able to beat you in the past. I fully expect this to be another defeat for me, but I'll give you the best fight I can.

I will defer to you as King for settings. My only suggestion would be no stellar manipulation. I'll play with it if you want, and I have gotten pretty good with it lately (mostly from lessons learned the hard way against you), but I'd prefer to go without it.

Geoschmo

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Nah...no stellar manipulation. As Alneyan pointed out often enough, it's almost a race to get it first and do surprise attacks behind lines.

Defer to me? LOL...I usually try to suggest something to break up the monotony...never know what I'll suggest. 'Course, we can negotiate.

What about:

Warp holes anywhere in system (I miss that one);
No mines;
3 good starting planets;
3000 points;
Manual placement;
No Religious;
No Stelar Manip;
Map: medium spiral but rolled over and over to get a "small" medium result;
No stealth armor or claoking to avoid that "other" race to sneak ships behind the line since there would be no mines; and
Balance version 2.0

Clarification on the armor above...one can use Scattering but there will be no ships allowed with Stealth. This is a trust issue and I trust you...after all, one never knows when the other player might build hyper optics just to check...so that adds the element of Reagan's famous remark, "Trust but verify". I don't think either of us would pursue a win by cheating. And if you think this too cumbersome, just say so and it's out without any problem.

Your counter?

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This all sounds good, as long as we have a map with manual placement, which you may be assuming here but didn't state. With no mines if we start too close it would be over too quick. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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You know Alneyan, I think you can put me back on the hill already if you wouldn't mind. Only gone for a couple of weeks, and I miss it! With my work schedule, I may only manage a couple turns per day, but as long as that is acceptable to my potential opponent, I'd like to be back in it. Maybe this time I could advance beyond the second level!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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If only you will overlook things like this in our game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Can't imagine anyone getting upset at that turn rate...especially if you find yourself able to exceed that sometimes.

Welcome back!

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Hmmmm, time to change my contact fluid I think.

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So, we're agreed on:

Warp holes anywhere in system;
No mines;
3 good starting planets;
3000 racial points;
Manual placement;
No Religious;
No Stelar Manip;
Map: medium spiral but rolled over and over to get a "small" medium result;
No stealth armor or cloaking;
Balance version 2.0

I'll work on an empire.

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Just one quick item that may have been overlooked...Intel is currently on...do we want it off?

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No intel.

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Empire uploaded. (and this little bit of trivia added so that the post can clear)

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Game under way. Thanks again, Alneyan, for going through all the trouble to set up the game manually http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif.

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Well, 20+ turns and lead has changed a few times. Surprised we haven't met but pretty darn soon, I think!

Turns are much slower now...too much to do.

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My temporal scientists have perfected a technology which allows all of my planets and ships to exsist 5 minutes in your future. We aren't cloaked, but you can't see us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Well, I guess that explains it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif.

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Parabolize versus VadimBey
Parabolize wins
date 2407.2

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I desire a game please! I think we had agreed upon setup stuff, not sure tho!

Rathar

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It could be helpful to either check your mails (or PBW, if email notification has been turned off), or upload your Empire; your game has been created on Jan 22, with a news item sent by myself on Jan 25 and Phoenix-D has uploaded his Empire on the same day.

KOTH update to be available tomorrow. I think.

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Hmmm methinks a problem has arisen as I don't have it on my list of games nor did I ever get an E-mail regarding it.!

Rathar

Edit.

Just searched the games listing and saw it there with Rathar playing it and well, I am ratharkalinger for pbw. Theres the problem! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Woopsie. Yeah, it's my mistake then. That will teach me to rely too much on auto-filling forms.

I'll recreate the game in a couple of minutes. Hmm, could you please send me your Empire directly? I'll do a bit of fiddling with PBW so Phoenix-D doesn't have to re-upload his Empire.

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I can and will but uhmm I don't see any mention of how many points we went with. Would you tell me how many phoenix used? heh heh

Rathar

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It's been set up, and everything should be alright hopefully.

If you should be playing in a game but don't see any on PBW, you should check the KOTH website (if an update has been made, as the website is often lagging a day or two behind), or complain loudly after 36 or 48 hours. I create games at PBW as soon as possible, so worry if you don't see anything on radar.

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Thank you Alneyan I really appreciate it. Tis my fault for having a different name here than in pbw.

Rathar

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KOTH has been updated, with mine own naked blade lying on mine lap.

My interest in SE may be rekindled somewhat; I would also love to run into Asmala, sooner or later. Network woes prevented me from joining back KOTH along with him. Shame. Worry not Asmala, for thou shalst be smitten down.