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Hey Phoenix! Yeah, was a very strange game, we didnt meet each other till late in the game. LOL. I kept thinking I was playing by myself. Yes, you were very sneaky. I enjoyed the game.
Take care and good luck,
Til next time,
Fuzzie

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GozGUY has surrendered to the Thermolian’s. Can’t say it was much of a game, GozGUY was pinned into his home system the whole time. I did a little raiding early on. And he managed to break through the warp point once about mid way, but had little left after the battle to exploit his gain. I just moved another fleet to the warp point and re-mined it. His fighters did a little damage to my home system but were used up in a couple of turns. I just took it slow and played not to loose, which makes for a boring game. In the end it was economics that carried the day.

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KOTH has been updated, at last. I blame my ISP for failing to give me access to the FTP for sixteen hours or so.

Did you realise we are the sixth thread view-wise on the boards? The thread was started quite a while longer before views started being counted, so I guess we lost a couple thousand more views (one or two of the threads that beat KOTH were started much more recently). I sure am popular. Kinda.

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I have surendered to Glyn. He played a good game. I was a little unlucky as my half of the quadrant was severly mineral deficent. I had a lot of turns with planets sitting idle because I couldn't afford to keep them building. By the time I found a nice juicy mineral rich system (And oh what a system it was with 4 breathable worlds) it was on the border and I couldn't really take advantage of it. Spent too many turns building weapons platforms and not enough building mines.

But don't confuse my griping. Glyn probably would have won either way. He's a skileld player. But I would have given him a better game of it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Alneyan, take me off the hill for a while. I need a break.

Geoschmo

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Good game Geo! My side of the map was mineral poor too! Half of my colony mineral production was in the system to the south of the border nebula system and it was five systems away from my home system.

From the final turn I estimate the production of our colonies to be nearly equal.
Geo: 169k min, 5.3k org, 11.3k rad
Glyn: 176k min, 1.1k org, 4.3k rad

But then when you add in my remote mining.
Remote: 131k min, 5.2k org, 56.6k rad.


I was worried there when we first meet, because you were ahead of me in research. You had fighters and an extra colony tech, but then you clamed only 1/3 of the map.

Thanks for the good game!

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I can *recieve* email, but not *send* it at the moment, so let it be known I agree to the settings Dex Solo suggested in his email to the admin and myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I couldn't go any farther then that. By the time I got my economy straightened out to where I could expand again you had firmly established your defenses along the border.

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KOTH has been updated. The last few days have been the busiest since I took over KOTH, with merely one game running at one point, even though there are now 19 players (that would've been 20 if not for you, Geoschmo!).

Please let me know if I've forgotten someone. For future reference, Parabolize gets dibs for moving up, as Tesco is not available for play at present.

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Damn KOTH is amazing. I had more then one cardiac infarct during the game against Rathar. I guess for every ship I killed he shot down 4 of mine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. Well I won this because I dominated the map and he could never reach my home system. Was a hard and funny fight. Lol and I had in the last rounds around 20 planets rioting, I think I should keep an eye on happiness this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

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Congrats on a very precarious win. Not to mention, Rather's a rather good player... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif. Winning with planets rioting doesn't happen often.

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Alneyan, do you know why we haven't started our game yet? It seems both our .emp files are in, but the first turn hasn't been generated yet...

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The game hasn't started because it was supposed to be your birthday present.

I don't know actually; for all other games, you know who is to blame, but in this particular case... Well, I'm a player just like you.

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Slynky -vs- Rand is over with the Trithians victorious. It was a game of experience versus inexperience and I salute Rand for his good sportsmanship. Hopefully, I passed along some good tips in a way to understand because we need to keep interestted players and help them become better.

Thanks for the game, Rand, and thanks for the good turnaround time in the turns. Good luck in your next game.

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So...Who was the Trithians?

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Trithians... slumlords of the universe! (that would be me) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Actually, that would be the 0,0,1 pixel on a 0,0,0 background that is supposed to represent you. That is, if you yourself are half as difficult to spot as the rest of your species. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

(Background information: the Trithians use the stock shipset whose name begins with P and that can be fairly difficult to spot, particularly their Escorts. You'd better have a keen eyesight or keep a check for every single vessel and check where it's headed.)

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And usually under the letters of the syystem or over an asteroid field (for added difficulty)... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Ah, thanks.

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Sleeper has defeated Thermodyne http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif The game could go another 20-30 turns but the outcome would be the same, so I won’t hold him back from his next game. Good game Sleeper.

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I wonder how Sleeper is doing in his other KOTH game (since he appears to be in 2 at the same time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif).

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Well, at least he managed to get games on two different levels, unlike Mwbard, whose two games are at the bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I guess I didn't proofread the update enough, so it should be overlooked for now. KOTH to be updated tomorrow.

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If only you would make such mistakes in our games... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Well, I spend so much time on my turns I cannot make mistakes really. I make screw-ups of epic proportions, though.

By the way, I'm betting three Stellar Destroyers on Glyn's slaying the king.

And KOTH has been updated. Update notices are too often at the top of my posts.

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I'll take that bet! ..... Oh.. wait ... ur .. That means to win I would have to lose???

Oh well, what would I do with three Stellar Destroyers anyway?


It's still anyone’s game. I think we both got randomly bad starts. I've won the three ship battles, lost two ships to mines and forced him to abandon one colony so far.

The funniest moment was the first ship battle. We both had a single long range missile ship. Both captains decided to attack toe to toe with missiles instead of using max range. Dooh … I could have sworn, I had set the correct strategy.

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Max range strategy doesn't always work with two missile ships for some odd reason.

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If you're betting three Stellar Destroyers against an old satellite it would be a fair bet since I can't remember when I've got a worse start. I guess the game won't be a long one.

Doh, the PBW server crashed in the middle of my RTC-turn...

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Assuming this is not news propaganda, I am thinking right about now you have more appreciation for the Balance Mod... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

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If someone likes setting up games and doing the occasional hosting (chiefly when rolling back one turn), you might wish to let me know now, for the betterment of humankind and the like - or plain old KOTH, but it doesn't sound quite as grandiose.

As you may know, I'm running SEIV in a non-native environment, going through the Wine compatibility layer (SEIV is the only Windows program I still run here). Somehow, quite probably because I'm not exactly a master of that moby program, its functionality has gradually decreased with each system change, update, and so on. I have been unable to do any turn processing for a few weeks, and I'm having a very tough time playing the game in the first place now.

I'll try to reinstall Wine and SEIV from scratch, but that will probably wait for a few days after the bulk of my exams has come and gone. If it doesn't help, it will probably be best to find someone else to do the game creating/hosting (where needed). Even now, the inability to roll back games or reset passwords is quite annoying... though at least it isn't *that* frequent.

The corollary is, I'm also not going to do my turns unless I can kludge Wine into more or less working (not trying to crash my X server prior to the Empire Dialog screen would be a start). So Renegade, you should either hope for a quick resolution, or none at all; in the latter case, you could claim one of the quickest victories in the history of KOTH. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (We are at turn 22 or so)

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Well, as most anyone should know, I'm always available to set up games. So, count me in whenever you need me.

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I can wait as long as needed Alneyan, until you get everything up and running nicely again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Two reinstalls of the Wine layer/SEIV and one sys upgrade later, it still isn't working any better. I don't have any better idea at present, and I doubt compiling the thing on my own would help much (the problem isn't on the game side either, as the game isn't started at all before Wine hangs up).

So, I do think someone else should step in as KOTH host (I can handle the game creating and HTML part, if you don't care about these), as I suspect my problem isn't straightforward, and reaching full functionality anytime soon is unlikely. I'm sorry for the short notice, but I'm not sure what made all hell break loose in the first place.

That also creates a problem with Renegade, since a decision would likely be made by the KOTH admin... but I'm the current one, perhaps not for long. Still, the letter of the rules says that you have the right to move onwards on the Hill, as your opponent is unable to continue play. If you would prefer staying on the same level, there is always Slynky who is itching for a fight.

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I'd much rather give you a week or two to sort things out Alneyan, rather than giving up on it. I absolutely hate winning by default, and our game is shaping up to be so interesting! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I trust you'll sort it out eventually, so we can continue. I'm in no rush.

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Well, you could have gone with Slynky instead; that wouldn't have been a win by default. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Wine works at present if I shut down my sound server and the like (the game shouldn't be calling on the sound to begin with). Of course, it might break anytime regardless.

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Alneyan turn off the se4 music and save/end your turn in a 1.94 game (this is a problem that started with 1.94 in wine/cedega). You can also replace some dlls with win98 dlls. If you got the $ buy cedega. If you got the time compile cedega.

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Yeah, I eventually slaughtered all the music in Deluxe; it was only down for some of my mods, not the whole lot of them, hence the discrepancy. I also found out about the command line available since 1.39 in the meantime (thanks to the Wine AppHQ, where I should post about SEIV since the current information is bogus), but it won't help me for setting up games. Bleh.

It isn't a problem solely with the game, though, as 1.94 worked fine previously even on the mods that did have the CD music enabled. I suspect it could be a new bug introduced with Wine, since I was running 20050523 (if memory serves) previously. Debian Stable => Unstable replaces most packages though, so I cannot really pinpoint the problem.

I have no interest in using Cedega, and Wine itself isn't quite my cup of tea. Still, compiling them does not take too long (finding the Cedega stuff is almost the longer of the two)... but if I liked compiling programs left and right, I guess I would be using a different distro, and incidentally a better cooling system. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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What version of wine and could you post some output?

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I should clarify a bit: Wine is fine now, so any information is only going to be useful for future reference.

- Debian Sarge, running 20050310 and all relevant packages, could run 1.94 games without any significant trouble... unless my hosting problems were somehow linked to that. These produced exceptions from the game itself, but I don't have the actual error message stored anywhere.
- Ubuntu 5.10 (Badger, if I recall) and all relevant packages had no problem with the hosting part, including 1.94 games, and no music funny business. Current Wine on Ubuntu is 20050725, but I'm not sure about the one back then... they do have some packages from 20050524, but I only spent a couple of weeks on Ubuntu. No error message here.
- Debian Sid, running 0.9.12 and similarly recent packages, crashes before SEIV has got started with 1.94 games. Switching off music allows to work around the problem (hosting hasn't been tried out yet). I gather we both get the same sort of output from Wine itself when not editing the settings.

So, different system setups have ended up giving relatively different results, all of them put under the same play conditions, patches and the like. Was that your experience also? I haven't done much investigating though, as I retain Wine solely for SEIV.

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Thats odd. I had the music crash on me in Ubuntu's 20050725 build. I was pretty sure the problem is its looking for WiMP to play the mp3s and not finding it.

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I have slain Fuzzie.

I cannot take on another opponent at this time as I am off to Mexico for a month+ so stick me in a corner somewhere and give me weekly dustings till I return please!

Rathar

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Oh how nice, someone has placed a fuzzie rug at the bottom of the KOTH hill.

Opps! That's not a rug, but Fuzzie, once again trompled by her opponent.


:}}}}}}}

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Her opponent?

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"In English grammar, the possessive pronoun "her" is used to denote something belonging to a female person, and is the counterpart to the masculine possessive pronoun "his". "Her" and "his" are also used as personal pronouns, when expressing the object complement of the action; when the pronoun is used to express the subject of the action, "she" and "he" are used, respectively.

Another use of "her" and "his" are for general sentences, when the identity and the gender of the person referred to are not known. While some argue that the masculine is not a delimiting pronoun, and is thus more generic than the feminine, others consider that there is no specific reason to favour one gender instead of the other."

Blah, I've never been fond of grammar, and didn't do much studying of English grammar... but you should get the idea anyhow. So, Fuzzie actually used "her" (or "she") in the past, if memory serves, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise. Granted, I do have an edge here, since I keep a lengthy booknote of all KOTH players... you know, intelligence gathering and the like. It's good to be a spook.

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Well, ONE thing I DID need today was a grammar lecture from a person who uses English as a second language. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Though not as witty, nor as verbose, I offer an explanation for my question:

Being so used to having NO females around playing this game, my question was rather rhetorical in meaning (about 90%) exhibiting shock more than ignorance. The other 10% was that "part of me" that was allowing for the possibility the poster had actually made a reference to a fictional character used in the game only and the poster was, in real life, a male.

So, THERE! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Women do play SEIV you know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I just wish I could find one and marry her!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Well, I suppose so BUT it's rare to find a female playing a detailed strategy game. I rely on my times at Origins and another East Coast gaming convention (in Pennsylvania) for my historical perspective.

Of course, those were the "good ole days" and thngs change. Ceertainly don't want to convey the idea I don't like it...just surprised, is all.

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You are *so*, like, 2004 Slynky! I swear, it's like, you know... *Ducks* I'll have to work some more on my teenager speak.

I think it comes from the niche character of these games. Another game I play (that would be DROD) has an abnormally high proportion of mathematicians hanging around, with several people who participated in the international-math-contest-whose-name-escapes-me-at-the-moment (the forum is quite a bit smaller than Shrapnel, with perhaps two or three hundred active members). That tends to lead to some very complex problems.

I know all too well what you mean Renegade: the marrying part is *so* hard to pull out these days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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My current KOTH game is trending toward the absurd. We keep blowing the stuffing out of each other but no one has landing a killing blow yet.

I think I'm on the loosing end here, but there's always that Murphy's law..

EDIT: To give a better idea, my ships have destroyed 1,496,380kT of enemy shipping. Just shipping- that doesn't count planets, weapons platforms, etc. Or the kills from my WPs. And it doesn't count the obselte ships which have been deleted..

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I'd like to sign up for the next available game at the bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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LOL, You all are very amusing. I did not know that being a female statregic game player made me a rare thing. Intereting. I'm 36 years old, so not sure if you can say I am from a new generation of players. Depends on how old you all are. My father sorta taught me how to play chess. I do enjoy it, but don't play it often.

Well, take comfort Slynky, I'm not that good at playing KOTH games. I have lots of learning to do.

(I am only joking with ya, so please don't take me as being rude; I joke a lot.)

Some more intereting, maybe surprising facts about me. I enjoy science and math. I took math through Calculus III in college. Loved Calculus.. I started off as a genetics major, and took tons of science based classes. I enjoyed them and learned a lot of fascinating things. I had a change a heart in my Junior college yr, so I changed majors. Anyway, does this surprise you even more? Just curious. I really did not think I was that unique. You make me feel special :} Thanks! You made my day (even though I've made a perminate home down at the bottom of the hill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif).

You all are so great. It's a pleasure to be bashed to smitherines by you all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Fuzzie

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Well, by no means did I mean (perhaps) to infer female players weren't welcome here (and I don't think you took it that way).

I think it's nice that we have a few (females)around...helps keep us guys from thinking it's a mens club and lighting too many cigars, if you get analagy.

Now, some guys like to flirt with the female players...and there were surely enough of both (flirts AND females) playing Mech Warrior 3 and 4...but I'm an old happily-married fart and just smile because we know we have to keep the language a bit more "clean".

And joke away...this is a good forum for it.

Cheers!
Slynky