Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Right now the start date for Ajax and Ares is October 2025

When either of them ACTUALLY enters service is crystal ball materiel

" AI Overview" claimes
SO..... moving the start date two or three months further away SEEMS TO BE at this point in time a "reasonable" possibility

EDIT-- https://www.army-technology.com/news...december-2025/ claims "British Army’s Ajax programme IOC not expected until December 2025 "

SO... FOR NOW Dec 2025 is the "new" start date for Ajax and Ares BUT I don't expect the update to be ready before the start of Dec this year so when Dec 1 rolls around we'll see what's happening

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Sounds Good!

Been on it since start of FRES Program so what's a few more months
after that? :dk:

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Just d'like to add some technical informations about Borsuk APC

taken from there
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/mk44-...-us-to-poland/


And here Borsuk's on military parade 15th August 2025 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmz_4VQx1y0 as we can see there is already small numbers existing.

Ratel an new Heavy APC planed for polish army with the same ZSSW-30 tower but new hull https://militarnyi.com/en/news/model...ted-in-poland/

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Supposedly a new PLA Airborne IFV family coming:

https://i.imgur.com/VSsAo1M.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/6OQLTVh.jpeg

The new PLA Airborne armoured combat vehicle family consists of an IFV, APC and gun-mortar fire support system. This is the infantry fighting vehicle variant. (Weibo)

https://i.imgur.com/TwqmD76.jpeg

This is the fire support vehicle version of the PLAAF Airborne Corps’ new tracked vehicle family. It has what may be a 120mm gun-mortar in its turret. (Weibo)

We don't know if they're actually real real (beyond just manufacturer test rigs) or if they'll be procured in quantity to replace the existing 15+ year old Airborne IFV family...

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

After finishing with BWP Borsuk Poland starts to project his heavier version is called BWP Ratel will be armed in the same tower and gun heavier armour and probably without ability to swim.

https://defence24.pl/sily-zbrojne/ms...piechoty-wideo
https://x.com/DRatka1/status/1962535205131997591

https://cdn.defence24.pl/2025/08/21/...mUJoi.kohs.jpg