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Even though the Army only fought for a couple of hours in 1940 and again in 1943, it would be usefull for a Weserübung campaign (the German attack on Denmark/Norway) and what-ifs. After all, the Danish Army saw more figthting than the Swedes, who are already in the game (v. 7.x) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And the OOB should be extended to 8/43. Claus B |
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The Swedes got in as I recall, as an Ally for Finland. Some Expiditionary force or other. Denmark might happen (as with Portugal, Brazil etc who fought in Italy), at a later release. But right now, I don't have a man week or so to spare to integrate a new OOB with the game, which is shortly about to go to playtesting anyway. Can't think of any nations left out that actually fought in WW2 (e.g Switzerland, Turkey and Eire would never make it in). Cheers Andy |
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Denmark was probably closer to being an ally of Germany then Sweden was to Finland, as the Germans were allowed to raise a national Waffen-SS battalion - Freikorps Danmark - from recruiting offices in Denmark. Danish officers got permission to leave the Danish Army to serve in the Freikorps from King and goverment (promptly forgotten in 1945 of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ). Danish goverment ministers were even inspecting the unit in Germany. I know, of course, that a Freikorps scenario could (and probably should) be made by using the German OOB. But if being a near ally of a WWII combatant is a criteria, the Danes should be in (on the wrong side, unfortunately, but still in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) Quote:
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Having Swedish OOB in the game is unrealistic. Sweden was a neutral country and did not participate in the war in any way. Sweden did not give any military support to Finland. And most sertanly Sweden was not an Ally to anyone. (Hence the word neutral country.) Finland did buy some weapons from Sweden but this is not the same as giving military support. Sweden did give humanitarian aid to Finland which was allowed for a neutral country to do. If Sweden is there already then why not add other neutral countries like Spain, Switzerland, etc. also?
I dont see any sence in adding Denmark either. Denmark was an occupied country. If you want to represent Danish born people fighting alongside German units then add them to the German OOB. If you have to add Danish OOB then make it from 1930-1940 only. Same thing for Swedish OOB 1930-1940. |
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I disagree with pretty much everything you've stated. Swedish OOB unrealistic? I don't see how...? Sweden as a country existed during the war. The same goes for the other neutrals - Spain for example which is also in the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Limiting OOBs to certain stop dates...? Why? So that no "what ifs" can be created - sounds like a hopeless crusade to me... I'd support the inclusion of any country in the game, however minor it may have been. After all, it's not like anybody is forceing players to use them... Lastly: Quote:
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The fact is that Denmark was attacked by Germany on April 9th 1940 and there was a few hours of fighting in Jutland as well as in Copenhagen. There was fighting again in 1943 when the German Army decided to disarm and demobilize the Danish Army, also about half a day. Of course, both occasions could be elaborated on with what-ifs and you could even make a two-battle campaign http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Or include the Danish debacle in a "Weserübung" campaign. Quote:
As I said before, though Denmark was not a major combattant, at least the country did fight - as opposed to Sweden (but keep the Swedes in - we have scores to settle, particularily since the latest articles in Aftonbladet about Denmark http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ). So if participation is a criterum - then Denmark should be in - at some point. Claus B |
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Also Sweden as every other neutral country was not neutral just because it was not engaging in the war. The neutral treaty was an official writen document signed whit all the major forces (USA, Great Britain, USSR, Germany) and breaking it would have had wery serious consequences. Quote:
IMHO every country in-game should seize to be available after they were conquered or turned neutral. Whatif scenarions can still be created using the Editor even if the country is unavailable for a random battle at that date. |
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I dont think your ideas quite manage to reflect how complex the political situation was in Europe during WWII and your suggestions would remove the possibility of many odd and interesting encounters. I guess I take quite the opposite point of view. Rather than reducing the game to a limited number of countries available at very limited periods, it should be expanded as much as the developers have the time and energy for. Once you've played your 253rd German vs US encounter, that tends to get a bit old, so being able to do something odd like Belgium vs Italy in Etheopia 1941 or Denmark vs Germany in 1943 is what adds flavour to the game and, together with the many SPCAMO improvements, makes it playable still, 10 years after it first came out. Claus B |
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