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chrispedersen August 1st, 2008 07:54 PM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
Hmmm I would think a quickened hastened charcoal shielded regenerating trampler would do much more.

Strider August 1st, 2008 08:22 PM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
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Kuritza August 2nd, 2008 02:01 AM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
Quote:

chrispedersen said:
Hmmm I would think a quickened hastened charcoal shielded regenerating trampler would do much more.

This trampler has to be undead or elemental royalty with base encumberance 0. Undead are immune to VotD.

MaxWilson August 2nd, 2008 03:00 AM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
You don't actually have to be enc 0. It's possible to kit out a Size 5 Adonim, for instance, so that he can trample 3 or 4 squares worth of size 2 troops per turn without ever going above fatigue 14.

-Max

chrispedersen August 2nd, 2008 03:35 AM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
You're missing the point K. VOTD the above mentioned or similar. I believe he could take out 600 or more undead in 50 turns.

Roughly (50x18) = 900 squares of movement. = 600 squares of units. Plus the charcoal square will kill a good bit.
Sure, you lose a turn for hastened...

Equip or cast items that generate battle field effects. wrathful skies... You could do a lot more.

MaxWilson August 2nd, 2008 01:34 PM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
Where does 50x18 come from? Size 5 trampling Size 2 is 3/4 squares of trampling per turn, regardless of base AP.

-Max

sum1lost August 2nd, 2008 07:57 PM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
Undead Mastery would work pretty well, I think.

chrispedersen August 2nd, 2008 10:59 PM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
Interesting. Where do you get that?

I presumed quickened and hasted, and properly booted that the SC would have 36 move or so, translating into a maximum of 18 squares per turn of trampling.
Each square could have numerous size 2 opponents - that is true. However, I also ignore the fact that the defender could succed at avoiding being trampled. The 50 just refers to the # of turns.

And yes, of course I agree undead master would work - however, it is late in the game.

JimMorrison August 3rd, 2008 12:16 AM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
I'm not sure how the movement is calculated Chris, but a 36 move critter will not trample 18 squares a turn, that would be..... insanely overpowered in most situations.

Also, that much trampling is enormously exhausting. It's not frolicking in a field, it's smashing bodies with your feet - even harder than squashing grapes, and ask anyone, it's hard work making wine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

vfb August 3rd, 2008 01:32 AM

Re: VOTD-Still like it
 
I don't like the doubling-up of dead on multiple casts, since it's supposedly already the eternal souls of the victims who attack. Other than that I think it's a great spell.

For your pretender (or any commander really), will Ritual of Returning (or Virtue) or Twiceborn work? I'm worried that death-by-turn-limit won't trigger these effects.

Non-pretenders killed by VotD should be in the HoF, right? Ritual of rebirth is pretty nice, mummies are tough dudes. And mummies are immune to VotD.


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