Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Hey all,

as much as I'd love to keep a staling neighbour, it seems that anticipatient has taken his 'no diplomacy' game one step further, and is now playing a 'no human input' game. I've been trying to contact him for the last 10 turns or so anyway, so I reckon we just find him a sub or AI him.

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Hey guys, sorry for the delay. I posted for a sub. If we can't find one by the next hosting we'll set Mictlan AI.

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

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Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

I'd take the job if you still need someone.

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Hi, Ossa. AI orders have been issued but since the turn has not yet hosted you can countermand those if you want to take over the position. PM me your e-mail and I'll send you the turn. Thanks.

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

I've turned off quickhost so the game doesn't host before Ossa has a chance to work on his turn. Once this turn is done quickhost will be turned back on.

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Hey all,

Just repeating what I've sent to Valerius so we're all in the open here :)

Firstly Ossa, cheers to you for volunteering to take on the staling Mictlan, but I must protest!

In short, I was told that since no sub was to be found, that Mictlan would be set to AI this turn (ie. order sent turn 34, Mictlan AI turn 35). Now since I have a nice long border with the forest dwellers, I knew an AI nation would instantly declare war on me. With that in mind I teleported a bunch of mages about (losing one), expecting an awake AI to respond that turn, but nevertheless hoping to open hostilities effectively.

Now, several hours after turn 35 began, I find out that not only was Mictlan not set AI, but we now have a sub and (I guess) I'm expected to hand everything back and extricate my poor astrologers caught behind enemy lines, the net result being a bunch of wasted astral gems and mage time.

Hey, I'm the guy who drew attention to the fact that Mictlan was staling in the first place, I was hoping for a sub to preserve game balance, but when Valerius says:

Then I reckon you should stick to that, again for game balance reasons.

Meursy

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Actually - it would have helped if someone told me about my current diplomatic situation.

Seeing Arco teleport his mages to my (WTF??) def 1 provinces I assumed we'd be at war anyway.

I now guess this is not the case, so I'll just reclaim the provinces but dont march anything further south.

Is that acceptable for you, Meursy?

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Well, it looks like I've made a mess of things. Meursy's point is valid: he attacked in expectation of an AI attacking him. I hadn't really considered the lost resources to him of a wasted attack if we then found a sub. I think I was mainly thinking that it was my responsibility as game admin to find a sub rather than set the nation to AI.

Sorry for the mistake. What do you guys want to do?

Re: Veritas - MA, CBM, PBEM - Started
 

Ha ha, the reason we are 'at war' is that I expected to be facing a hostile AI :) In fact I am contesting allowing a sub to come in after the time period for finding a sub (set by Valerius) had passed.

From my point of view no problem if Val says "find a sub before next turn or AI" and he does find a sub. My problem is that he said "find a sub before next turn or AI", the next turn comes and goes, I prepare for AI, then instead of AI he finds a sub!

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work Valerius is doing as admin, and I know he's just trying to do the best for the game. But I also feel as admin he has a degree of responsibility to the existing, regular players to be as clear and reliable as possible...and not say one thing then do something else! Very frustrating!

Of course the fact I've wasted a bunch of resources and time for nothing based on misleading information contributes to this opinion, but I still reckon I have a valid point :)

So, Ossa, I guess I'm asking if you mind not subbing in. I assume it doesn't matter to you because you've just popped in, so I guess it's up to the remaining regular players. What do others think?

I admit I'm a little biased here too! :)

And yeah, Ossa, if you do stay in, please leave the province to the east of your cap alone for two turns, I need the time to get my poor astrologer out!

Cheers,
Meursy