Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

I had a couple more ideas. I promised that I won't do any more of these buff-spells with drawbacks, but hear me out. Besides I'm scrapping the F/S debuff-buff spell and making it jsut a regular buff-spell, so I have "slots" for more!

There isn't any large AoE grant ethereal spell in the game. You can use "Body Ethereal", but you need a lot of mages. I wondering if I should scrap the horrormarking. I'm just thinking that this could be a dat too good with "army of lead", "army gold" and "protection" to ignore the penalty.

Invulnerability is out of reach to normal troops in Vanilla, and for a good reason. But this might be a balanced way to introduce it. Any thoughts if I should actually make it better? The resistance maluses are pretty crippling. Especially late game.

Umm.. No? This is not a "balance" mod. Unresitable feeblemind is just no fun. And if I made it, it would jsut warp the late-game to revolve around that single spell.


Yeah, it's not possible.

If I decide to scrap Mind over matter, I'll probably do something like this. Illusion-kill is not possible however. But you just need 1 AN damge to nail those illusion(ed) bastards so a similar effect should be possible.


I decided not to any new units in this mod. The advantage of not using any monsternumbers/nationnumbers/sitenumbers is so good, that I'm not going to give it up. This kind of mod is best when it's 100% non-clashing with any other mod. Want use these spells with Skaven? Tomb Kings? CBM? Go ahead!

Hmm, slightly improved Ghost Grip. I like it.

Thank you guys! If you like the "Mind over Matter" and "Baptism of Hades", I should have all main spell slots filled! Now I just need 3 more UW combat spell, if they could be single path, that'd be awesome.

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

Yeah, "Mind over Matter" and "Baptism of Hades" both seem potentially very powerful, but also they're pretty cool - I like them.

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

what paths UW spells do you need?

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

I like mind over matter. I like the effect of baptism of hades, but I don't like the idea of dousing your units in water... every battle... to make someone invulnerable like achilles, who stayed that way until he died.

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

When is v0.3 due Burnsaber? I thought I might make a start on the checking, but it might be easier to wait if the new version's nearly done.

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

It will be out tomorrow with 30+ spells.

Re: CPCS - CrossPathCombatSpells - v0.2 is out!
 

All main spells done! Now I'll have to move my testing underwater.

So I came up with a cool idea for E/W. I'm just a bit afraid it might be unbalanced. Here it goes:

I just really find myself liking the theme of this. Defeated by mud, that's just priceless.

So it Earth Grips, Slimes (halved att/def/AP) and gives Curse of Stone (moving causes d4 fatique points and striking d8 fatique points). This will pretty much screw anything without reinvogration. Perhaps I should make the Curse of Stone effect MR resists? Then it really won't affect anyone in the long run.

These are what we have currently. The paths or path combos should be those available to UW nations.

Baptism of Hades had to be scrapped, apparently the lighting vulnerability from Ironskin overrides the frost vulnerability from stoneskin and that overrides fire vulnerability from barkskin. I made it a niche undead-healing spell since I had no other ideas. (waters from tartarus is pretty good, so your D/W mages can cast that).

Re: CPCS - v0.3 is out!
 

You want the UW spells to be for the UW nations? Hmm. I had thought you wanted them so that the land nations can compete better, but that's also good...

If they are meant to be for UW nations, then Chaotic Currents (which is a neat spell) should be W/S. I don't think any UW nation gets Air magic.

I don't think the Acid spells are allowed underwater, correct? If so, E/MA Atlantis could use a F/W spell.

Acid Muck
WF
Range: 30+
Fat: 40-
AoE: 1+
Effect: Rust (Def negates)
SecondaryEffect: Strong Poison

Polluted Stream
W/D
Range: 35+
Fat: 40-
AoE: 1+
Damage: Strong Poison
SecondaryEffect: Disease (MR negates)

As for balance issues... if these spells are used, then you're changing the balance. The size of the change may not be great, but you're still changing it. Therefore, I don't see where the issue is a problem, theoretically. I realize that I generally suggest much larger shifts, and it's perfectly fine to refuse them. I am a little puzzled by the categorical nature of the balance discussion.

Re: CPCS - v0.3 is out!
 

Actually, I'm trying to fix the issue of seeing the same spells in underwater over and over again, but that is also a valid point. Why not do both, actually? Let's make sure that each magic path has easily castable UW combat spell, and then add some cross-path spells for the fun of it.

Let's see from the manual..

Air: Most of the lighting and illusion spells are castable underwater. Is OK, me things.

Astral: Loses only Stellar cascade types. Will be okay.

Blood: It must suck to be these guys underwater. I really feel that shark summons should be blood spells, but I'm not going to mess with vanilla spells. Let's leave this as it is.

Death: Loses some cloud spells, but retains Shadow Blast and it's ilk. Skelly spam still works.

Earth: Loses almost all of direct attack spells. I'll add one pure-earth UW spell. (Most likely crushing pressure, I'll fix the theme in spell description.)

Fire: Ouch. Ouch. It's a shame that vanilla has that useless "Boil" spell. Since I'm not going to mess with vanilla spells, I'll have to try to figure something out. I mean it's thematic for fire to suck underwater, but at least some decency!

Nature: Loses vine arrows and combat summons. I've given them a direct poison damage spell to compensate. A UW version of howl with underwater animals could also be thematic and hideously easy to make. Witness:

#newspell
#copyspell "Howl"
#name "UW Howl"
#damage "XX"
#spec "XX"
#end

Water: Will be okay, and most UW crosspaths will have it.


Yeah, it's neat. But the blinking effect will be annoying as hell, especially if it is massed by horde of mages. But my testing also shows it to be risky. That pesky ichtyid struggled himself right next to my mystic and pierced him. But W/S is much more thematic. I'll have to ponder this.

Thanks! Now I have my Fire UW spell. "Acidize" (note: name needs work) with pretty much similar effect. I mean, the water is already there, so it just needs some alteration by fire magics.

I'll give this the same deal as the previous one. By death magic, you pollute water that's already there.

It's just that I'm not trying to change the actual game, just add more options in combat magic usage and give low-path mages more useful spells. Powerful spells "warp" the gameplay to revolve around themselves. The "auto-feeble" spell you suggested would have a single-handedly made the U/W mages most powerful mages ever. I admit that I'm doing some balance changes with this mod, notice how most buffing spells won't work on undead? Inanimates? Mindless? In there lies numereous popular SC chassises, unable to reap the benefits of this mod, perhaps allowing some new contenders in.

So umm.. I need a point. Yeah, I'm not going for a huge change, but for a small one. This mod won't make any excisting stragedy obsolete, but try to raise others on par with them. For example, I'm afraid that "Traveller's Curse" would be too strong against SC's, nulling that stragedy option and thus making the game that less stragedically richer.

Re: CPCS - v0.3 is out!
 

Do you really want land nations to be more powerful underwater? Is that a considered balance change that you think needs doing?

I am nervous of significant changes like that, because it makes the potential user base rather smaller. However, I'm prone to excessive caution in such things so feel free to take no notice. :)