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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cohen, I don't _think_ you "disowning" or stopping all the mutant games you already spawned and quit from is exactly what Esben had in mind.

Blood and bone, I don't believe it. Cohen killed the games that he had already quit from, even though people were stilling playing them.

[ July 18, 2004, 23:00: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

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I'ven't killed anything.
I disowned them.
People can continue playing those games if they want.

However I know you're seeking every excuse to jump to my throat and bite as a fervishing dog me.

[ July 19, 2004, 00:21: Message edited by: Cohen ]

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Never mind, I don't really care anyway

[ July 19, 2004, 00:35: Message edited by: Blitz ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's easy enough to do, but it really shouldn't be neccessary. Let me try the nice way: Cohen? Could you limit yourself to 3 games or so concurrently, please? Especially when taking the Last slot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's really not like that Cohen, at least not with me. But I hope you can see that you have been hogging the mosehansen server, and that it's time to back off.

Play a few games started by other people, perhaps. Games with no house rules. And play them to the bitter end. It'll do your heart good, not to mention your forum reputation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Cohen, I think you misunderstood me. Recently, you have been taking the Last slot quite a lot. Give other people a chance, too :-)

If push comes to shove, this is what I will implement: If someone creates a game, he/she will be unable to create the next few games (few=2-5).

But computers are inflexible, and I would really like things to be flexible, so let us not let it come to this, ok? Also, I have tired of working on the dom scripts and would rather not have to implement this in any case.

Again, I would appreciate you understanding of this. And I certainly do not dislike you in any way, nor have I been going at your throat at every opportunity.

Also, judging by the games you make, you seem to like to early parts of the games best, before the really powerful spells/items/troops appear. Have you considered a small map for this? Make it quick a bloody! When WarsOfGaia is finished (I think I'll loose, but at least I'm number 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) I will probably start such a game again: many players, small map, make it bloody.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not quite how it works. Despite all of Cohen's noise, he doesn't actually mind having powerful spells, items, and troops. What he hates is being pummelled, which is inevitably the consequence of crowding. He quickly decides he's not having fun and folds his cards whenever this happens. His morale is 8.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not quite how it works. Despite all of Cohen's noise, he doesn't actually mind having powerful spells, items, and troops. What he hates is being pummelled, which is inevitably the consequence of crowding. He quickly decides he's not having fun and folds his cards whenever this happens. His morale is 8.

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Ehm ... I know it is a stupid question but ... I have registered at MoseHansen and I'd like to Subscribe in a new game ... How can I do?

Thank you.

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1. Go to the mosehansen.dk, click "View open games".
2. Find one where the description/settings/ whatever look attractive. Some needs separate registration at some forum, look at the comment.
3. Note the port number (listed under browse/manage game)
3. Fire up dominions, Network, enter "dom2.mosehansen.dk" as the ip and the port as the port (duh)
4. Select the nation you wish to play. Do not start the game. Instead, quit the game.
5. Do not start the game. Instead, quit the game.
6. Go back to the Browse/mange view (or just refresh if you're sitll there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Find the "confess" column, check the appropriate checkbox and submit,
7. When a turn is ready to be played, the game will appear on the bottom of the welcome page.


Easy as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,r ighT? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Cute, Cohen. You stopped a game slot that you'd been hogging for weeks (started on the ... 7th of July or so), and had someone else immediately recreate it. You think you're slick, eh?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uh, Cainehill. As much as I know you love to hate Cohen, you really can't blame him for this one: The Battlefield folks, apparently devoid of a server for hosting Dom2 tournament games, have chosen to use the Mosehansen server, as their most logical choice: It's a neutral server not owned by any of the players. As Cohen happened to be a staffmember (a questionable move, which, I feel, among many others lately, is undermining the Battlefield's legitimacy as the Official Dom2 Tournament Organizing Service), it's only reasonable to expect him to operate such a game.

Since, of course, everyone has been rather irate with Cohen, obviously, the owner of The Battlefield has decided to take charge of the matter personally. I don't sense Cohen's involvement in this decision.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll try this evening (GMT+1), thank you

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The following games look suspiciously like the computer playing itself.
Care to check them out Esben?

aran6to10plyrs
SixManAran

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Any chance of a script that, just before a turn runs, scans the list of nations for a 'Yes' in the Turn Taken column and a 'No' in the Computer column?

In the absence of any such entry, all human players have staled and the game is probably defunct.

Perhaps an email to Esben when this happens would help to keep the maximum number of slots available (?)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">SixManAran seems defunct from the stat file. IN 4 hours, the game will host again, and if all human players stale again I'll kill it.

aran6to10plyrs is really, really strange. There is only one player! Look at the stats:

Provinces

Nation Provinces
Pythium 0
Ulm 0
Arcoscephale 0
Caelum 0
Marignon 0
Pangaea 0
Vanheim 107
R'lyeh 0

Forts

Nation Forts
Pythium 0
Ulm 0
Arcoscephale 0
Caelum 0
Marignon 0
Pangaea 0
Vanheim 63
R'lyeh 0

Income

Nation Income
Pythium 0
Ulm 0
Arcoscephale 0
Caelum 0
Marignon 0
Pangaea 0
Vanheim 3778
R'lyeh 0

and so on. Really weird. Especially the human player is still taken his turns(!):

Statistics for game 'aran6to10plyrs' turn -1
Vanheim played this turn

The timestamp match this. Really weird. Anyway, I'll stop this game now.

The script would be nice, but I must admit that I have tired of programming on the server, so it won't be right now... sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif However, you do such a good job that it is hardly neccessary http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It looks like somebody was testing his brand new AI (which apparently did well), but forgot to program the behaviour after all opponents have been eliminated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, that was you? Go Alexti, you dawg!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uh, Cainehill. As much as I know you love to hate Cohen, you really can't blame him for this one: The Battlefield folks, apparently devoid of a server for hosting Dom2 tournament games, have chosen to use the Mosehansen server, as their most logical choice: It's a neutral server not owned by any of the players. As Cohen happened to be a staffmember (a questionable move, which, I feel, among many others lately, is undermining the Battlefield's legitimacy as the Official Dom2 Tournament Organizing Service), it's only reasonable to expect him to operate such a game.

Since, of course, everyone has been rather irate with Cohen, obviously, the owner of The Battlefield has decided to take charge of the matter personally. I don't sense Cohen's involvement in this decision. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The fact still remains that Cohen, and The Battlefield, have played dog-in-the-manger with a slot for going on three weeks without starting a game.

As you say, TB taking on Cohen puts them in a dubious light. Them also not using their own machine (c'mon, hosting Dom2 takes way less than hosting a website like that) is dubious, as is a for-profit outfit using a public domain resource like Esben's server.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is true, although for reasons that similarly baffle me, other people, who also have websites of their own, have been known to still lack the ability to run Dom2. Perhaps it's because their shell is actually crippled and unable to run processes? I've heard of this sort of thing happening, where every time you logout, the system kills all of your processes.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That little detail was not mentioned when they approached me :-( I resent that very much. My server is for fun, not for profit, and besides, I'm not sure that for-profit serving is allowed in the contract with my ISP.

So quite possibly, if this is true, they will have to move. It even rhymes...

(And my server is not public domain! It's my server --- I just choose to lend it to the dom2 community for a while)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wasn't aware that the Battlefield was for profit. Because I sure as hell haven't sent them anything. In fact, they owe me $50.

This doesn't sound terribly profitable. Where'd you hear they were for profit?

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ehh, all this cohen and related slot hogging is pretty dismal. really, I think he's used his lifetime supply of slots...

anyways, Esben thanks again for all your trouble. hopefully you don't find this slot-whoring too much irritating drama.

Is it your plan to delete defunct games? since even ancient games still seem listed on the server. I don't know whether they cause any resource drag, (probably not), but they do clutter up the game lists.

for the record, all games that I have been in are now over:

BigGame
Battle_for_Heaven
Crowded_Land (yay me!)
Twelve_by_High_Magic
SixManAran

-ok, this Last i can't swear to, but Wendigo was quite dominant as of turn 40 or so...
I'm pretty sure its just been staling for ages http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

edit: also
toolsfools
Godhood

and those testgames probably don't need to hang around http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (just guessing)

[ July 21, 2004, 15:47: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

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As far as I know The Battlefield has nothing about "for profit".

And running a website doesn't always mean having a PC at disposal.
Even usually you take only the domain, and you've remote access only to your website harddisk space, not to the entire computer, nor you can install things on.
In Italy at least it works so, unless obviously you'rent someone who sell web space to other (who usually have the server farms)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Strange. Two games gone, and no new ones in the open list (that I noticed). Yet the server is still saying that it's full http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">THere's probably a waiting list of people trying to get into the server, which would probably explain why slots are taken nearly instantly.

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As I said, no new games appeared on the open list.
That's where any games in a "waiting list" would appear, right?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">They would, unless they started before you noticed. Guess some people are anxious or something.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That can't be it. Apart from a tourney game that was already occupying a slot in the open list when the 2 games were deleted, no game has appeared in the running list since July 13.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nicely spotted. No moves since April. I have stopped the game. If anybody was playing the game, NOW would be a good time to say so. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Semiblitz has re-appeared in the running list http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So it has, so it has. I guess they wanted their game back and couldn't start it before. People seem to have taken their turns, anyway.

[ July 22, 2004, 08:13: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">But the game is still at turn 1.
Those turns may have been taken in April, well before Esben stopped the game.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll try this evening (GMT+1), thank you </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok, I have joined a game.
How can I play?
I have a dial-up connection so I have to know when I must be connected.
At what time is transmitted my .2h to the server?
And when do I receive the .trn?
Now the game is in my menu. If I play the turn it is transmitted automatically to the server?
Sorry for the confusion but I have to understand how the syncronization works so I conncet at the right times. I never had a network (non e-mail) game.

Thank you.

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md5sums are not being properly regurgitated in the BF_Napoleon's tournament game. Did something happen to this feature? Maybe you've inverted a condition check: It's returned in games that are RUNNING (where it is not terribly useful), but not, apparently, in a pending, open game, where we'd actually care about it to see if gazumping has occurred.

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1. Playing offline: Just go Online, start dom, enter IP+port, select nation and enter password, then exit and go offline. Then you can play your turn (PLay existing...); when you're done repeat the process above.

2. Semiblitz was resurrected, and have at least 2 active players. In other words, I was mistaken in the "no turns since April" bit.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Apparantly, the dominions server turns any , (dot) and - (minus) into _ (underscore). I've changed the pages to the same, renamed your game to follow these rules and made the backups of your .2h files manually. I hope I didn't break anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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[quote]Originally posted by Beorne:

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Originally posted by Beorne: Ok, I have joined a game. How can I play? I have a dial-up connection so I have to know when I must be connected. At what time is transmitted my .2h to the server? And when do I receive the .trn? Now the game is in my menu. If I play the turn it is transmitted automatically to the server? Sorry for the confusion but I have to understand how the syncronization works so I conncet at the right times. I never had a network (non e-mail) game. Thank you.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well someone will have to start the game first. You can check to see the status of the game on Ebsen's site. It should be listed under "My Games" if you've done everything Ebsen told you to do. Once you see that it has started, then you play your turn by starting up DomII, selecting "Network," and putting in the address and then the port number for your game. Just like when you uploaded your Pretender. Once you've connected and played yourn turn, hitting the End Turn button will end your turn and send it to the server.

You don't have to play your turn at a particular time, but rather before the time limit for the turn is up. If you don't play your turn by the time limit then your nation won't do anything that turn, but you can still play the next turn. You can tell what the time limit is by checking Ebsen's server or by connecting to teh game and looking there. Many games are set so that if everyone has taken their turn, the game will then host immediately (this is the "quickhost" setting). If you game is like this, don't count on being able to play your turn half-way, take a break, and then come back.

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Hi Esben,

howthegodskill on port 2254 is over; you can kill it anytime you like to free up a spot.

thanks for hosting!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That was fast. Who won?

EDIT: Never mind, I found the thread.
EDIT: Actually, I think you can free the slot, RZ, simply by stopping the game.

[ July 28, 2004, 04:21: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The game seems to be stopped already. Anyways, this is something I expect the game owner to do :-D I only step in for lost and ownerless games...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The game seems to be stopped already. Anyways, this is something I expect the game owner to do :-D I only step in for lost and ownerless games... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I stopped the game, but I thought there might be an extra step you needed to take to free up the slot for another game to host.

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Dom_in_Cam!_Again! has been at turn 44 for some time now (over a week, I think) with Arco having played its turn, waiting on Man. It's a 2-player game with no time limit.

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Zap, feel free to keep up the good work...

...but as new hobbies go, isn't this one a bit dull?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Maybe one of the players is on vacation. If the game were actually dead, wouldn't the owning player stop it?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I stopped the game, but I thought there might be an extra step you needed to take to free up the slot for another game to host. ]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh. Sorry about that. No, though sometime in the future there will be. When that time comes, you will be able to perform this step (I call it to "bury a game"), too. It will then free up the port number for reuse. But since more than half the assigned port numbers are still unused, I'm not terrible motivated to do this now.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Excruciatingly tedious, actually.
But free slots are in such high demand, I think it's a job someone has to do.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Obviously not always, since Esben has had to intervene and kill some already.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've sent an email to the game creator. We will have to see. Thanks for the effort http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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All_The_Nations is an ancient game, started by myself, which I thought had finished but which has re-appeared on the running list.

All players are anonymous, none are AI (not even me/Ulm, and I know I went AI) and none have taken their turn. The server says the game is at turn 2.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, if it's your game, why are you complaining about it? Kill it yourself. It's your game.