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Only vanheim left . Only 2 hours left .
Hopefully you don't stale http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Stale...Once again, I just missed it by a few minutes.

Arrrggg...

Krool

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Third Nation down: The Niefel Giants.
Well played Panther hope I can join the next game and get some more punishment.
I think a major mistake was not summonning fodder to soak up damage while my Jarls dished it out.

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Also you weren't scripting your sc's too good and could of gave panther a run for his money but instead they got slaughtered.

Your sc's always would engage the ice devils already heavily fatigued...they had lost the fight before it started =(.

Also another thing is to be ALWAYS prepared to be invaded. Like right now nobody may intend to invade me but I am ready if someone wants to try. Even if you didn't think Abysia would attack you...you should of prepped for it. But that is my playstyle so if it doesnt fit with yours just devise another strategy. Like me and Boron have similar playstyles but they differ from like the rest of the players in our play session in newbies slugfest.

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I agree with the scripting mistake Aku, that was pure ignorance but disagree on the not being prepared for an invasion. I met Panther with pretty much my strongest forces, in fact Panther gave me two turns warning before invading(hes such a Gentleman), scripting did let me down.
In my defense of the scripting though, it worked well against Caelums ghost wolves. In fact I think my Jarls would have gone down hard without BOW against Caelums spamming Ghost wolves.
No I sill think my Biggest mistake was dying with too many gems, relying on my SC's too much. A horde of cheap summons like vinemen, claymen, mechanical men etc would have made a big difference.
And Lastly the reason I attacked Caelum, Pan was because of my paranoia about invasion.
You die an learn.

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Of the mentioned summons only the mech men has a small chance against the devil imo .

Compared to a devil expect the vine ogre none of the summons is cheap though .
Panther has surely at least 100 blood / turn , rather 200 / turn or maybe even 300 .

Basically creaturewise other blood summons are your best bet against devils though .
FoDs , Storm demons and maybe demon knights could defeat devils .
To keep them at bay long enough only mechanical men and iron dragons are probably reliable , and other highprotection stuff . The other highprotection stuff is rather useless though if the attacker uses lots of firemagic as well which he probably does .

Your BoW is good against devils as well of course .
Even your strong jotunheim troops get slaughtered by devils easy though :

A devil has 92,9% hitting chance against a niefel giant .
Only your jotun hirdman with def 12 has a 1 higher def.
There the hitting chance is still 89,8% though .
With his main attack ( trident ) the devil does 14 + 7 +2d6 oe damage . Your niefel giant has only 15 protection .

That results in an average damage of 6.43 hp per hit .

Vs a hirdman the devil has 3.99 average damage .

So in average one devil does ~6 hp damage to a niefel giant per battle turn and ~3,6 hp damage to a hirdman .

Vice versa a niefel giant/hirdman does ~2,25 hp damage to devil per battle turn .

That was for unblessed niefel giant . With a good bless you can shift the numbers a bit in favour of the niefel giant . But it is not that dramatic . Without any blesses the niefel giant likely looses even against a single devil , with good blesses he still can't win against more then 2-3 devils .

Any fodder like claymen or vinemen would survive only 1 turn in average against one devil , so it would be literally useless .

So unless you have big superiority in numbers or really really awesome battlefield buffs all your troops expect the ones mentioned at the beginning of my post will die quickly against devils unless they have big superiority in quantity .

That leads to the next problem : Panthers devils swarm you and his SCs then easily hit you .
Even without SCs if your SCs don't have really good protection or are etheral + lucky you are in slight trouble :
Vs. 25 protection a devil still scores 0.754 avg. damage per hit . 16 devils can surround a SC at maximum . Thnx to swarming defense doesn't protect you against that so unless you are lucky , have mirror images or etheralness at least 10 devils will almost 100% sure hit you every battle round .
So even against plain devils with 25 protection you will suffer ~7,5 hp average damage per battle round .
The 7,5 hp average damage can be in one round 0 damage , but in the next 25 damage etc. because one devil makes a really good dice roll etc. .

Good counters that come to my mind include all a staff of storms .
Then either heavy use of air (wrathful skies , thunderstrike , shimmering fields ) or water magic ( frozen heart , falling frost , niefel flames ) .
Another possiblity is a good SC + storm demons/mech men/iron dragons .

Unfortunately i think you were lacking most of those combos because of lack of good air mages .
Abysia is one of the nations which are very good against jotunheim .

In that view i think you did more damage to panther than he or i would have assumed . So you succeeded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .
You had just bad luck to start with one of your anti-nations as neighbour . For panther that would have been neighborhood with ermor/pan cw .

Re: War!
 

Inside the Chamber of Hell, the two most trusted advisors of Abysia are in council with the Queen of Blood and Death. Sir Deviant, Abysian Minister of War and his lovely wife Madam Candice, Abysian Minister of State, report on the affairs in the Cradle of Dominion.

Sir Deviant: And so, my queen, Plan B worked to perfection. We have elmimated the nasty giants from these lands.
Devil Queen: Very good, very good indeed! You did well, my minister. But what was this about the angels? Why have you not mentioned that we were even at war with Caelum?
Sir Deviant: Ah, my queen, you are as perceptive as always. You are correct in that we were not at war with them. But we had no peace agreement with them either. In fact, they invaded our conquered lands in a very suicidal act of war.
Devil Queen: But it was over so quick. Why?
Sir Deviant: That was because Stonebrow's giants had mostly killed them before we killed Jontunheim.
Devil Queen: I see. So you just decided on your own to eliminate them without even asking me.
Sir Deviant: Yes, my queen. I am sorry for not asking your permission, but you were on vacation in the Land of Inland with your ghostly husband.
Devil Queen: Yes, that I was. Well, no apology is necessary, my fine Minister of war. I like initiative in my loyal servants, as long as their actions prove wise. And your decisive action to quickly put down the uprising of the angels was a very good decision. That is one less problem for me to worry about in the south.

Devil Queen: Now, my fine lady, what about this invasion from Marignon? I thought we had a border agreement and a two-month non-agression pact with the Lord Grim Knight?
Madam Candice: We did. He violated our agreement and gave no warning to his invasion. He has proved to be most untrustworthy indeed, and his word will not ever be belived in the future. We did keep the peace treaty ourselves, my queen, for we always keep our word even to our enemies per your instructions.
Devil Queen: I see. So, what is our response to this act of agression?
Madam Candice: We eliminate the inquisitors from these lands.
Devil Queen: Are we prepared for war?
Sir Deviant: Of course, my queen. We are always prepared. In fact, my wife and I follow the sage advice of the false pretender Blictroc who says that one should ALWAYS be prepared to be invaded. Make no mistake, we are as prepared as we can be even given the treachery of Grim Knight.
Devil Queen: So, do we have a battle plan as yet?
Madam Candice: Not quite yet. This violation of the agreement was a bit unexpected. However, because of the massing of enemy troops Last month on the eastern border, we prepared our defences just in case of an invasion.
Sir Deviant: Yes, we are very ready, my queen. We will first eliminate the invading army and then decide on a proper battle plan.
Devil Queen: But how can we deal with an army of that massive size when our main forces are far across the lands due to the war out west?
Sir Deviant: Trust me, my queen. We will deal with Grim Knight most satisfactorily. Most satisfactorily indeed!
Devil Queen: Very good then. I trust you both in this. Just keep me informed.

Re: Death
 

My end came so easy. I am a jelly doughnut.

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So, no Abysian anthropologists are exploring the ruins of the extinct great nation of Pan? Our history was so rich with pipe-dream plans.

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Wow, turn 61 is up. Why is this game running so quickly all of a sudden?

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Only ryleh + arco left .

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Only arco left

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new turn in our war infested game lol

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Hmm, did Rlyeh just declare open season on Abysia? I know lots of people who would like to get in on that action... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Edit: And oh, this is belated, but to Pasha, Steerpike and Beorne, who died fighting to the end rather than go AI, it's good to see you guys continuing the informal "no-quitters" tradition of slugfest. Way to go guys!

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Well I saw Marignon attack Abysia so I was like screw it let me try some ideas out on Abysia as well lol.

I am just hoarding anyway and just summoning stuff and I have the extra resources to kill. I wanted to test that imprint souls spell and btw IT SUCKS!!! anyway I do have intent of taking Abysia's water provinces at least and if he tries to invade my current water provinces he will just lose his ice devils and his longdead horsemen and anything he gives water breathing to. I already have a beachhead somewhere else for my land summons so I dont need one on Abysia's lands. I probably pissed Panther off but I feel safe as long as my troops stay in the water provinces. On the land however Panther has some mean forces all over the place.

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28 hours left but only Arco left. Please do your turn quickly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

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Cool new turn is up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

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anyone having problems connecting?

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It was up earlier but is down now.

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Server still down.

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4:30 eastern and its still down (GMT -5:00)

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The server is still down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif .
Hopefully nothing has happened to grim http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Power Outage -> Server Backup but IP Shifted
 

I just got back from a visit to my parents out of state and found that while I was gone we had a storm and the power must have went out, all my clocks are blinking etc. and my computers appear to have rebooted.

Server is Back Up now but IP address has shifted again.

IP: 69.10.101.2

Sorry for the inconveinience, we don't get many storms like that here in the Valley of the Sun.

Grim Knight

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Good that you are fine Grim http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

Aku + me already thought something bad could have happened to you . That was fortunately not the case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Damn, I staled. That sucks. Anyway, I'll only be able to upload my turn tomorrow. It's too late now and I only logged in to check.

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It said I staled also.

Panthers big army in my water province that I wanted to kill is no longer there =(

And I see Ctis and Vanheim armies all over Abysia's borders now.

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grim you have less than 4 hours before you stale

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A heads up to everyone: I am leaving on holiday on the 20th January. Ideally I would want to continue playing, but likely I will stale intermittently while I'm actually travelling (going from Solomon Islands -> Australia -> Malaysia -> Singapore). So I'd like to ask if any of the previously eliminated players, Beorne, Steerpike or Pasha would like to take over my position, either on a temporary or permanent basis. Thanks.

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The 20th of January is still 10 days away Deccan, thats potentially quite a few turns yet.
I would be happy to take over for you.
Are you in Australia for long?

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Won't your absence give us problems when the server crashes?

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grim hosts the server not deccan

deccan is ctis, and grim is marignon

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Um, I knew that... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Actually, it is tough doing this while out of town for sure. Luckily, my daughter found us a Super 8 hotel in Sacramento this evening with free high speed internet access that was not overly expensive. So I got all my moves done in my 4 ongoing games. No stales yet!

Tomorrow, we are visiting the law school at the College of the Pacific in Sacramento and then on to San Francisco.

I like the idea of a sub for Deccan, for I would hate to see any stales during this massive war we are having. Though killing Steerpike for yet the third time might be rough on the dude. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Cheers

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If you kill me, I will only come back stronger.
Not smarter thats for sure, but definately thicker skinned. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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I would vote to set the server for the period of Deccan's holiday on something like 10 days quickhost .
Then deccan could do his turn if he finds time + internet access during his holiday and if he doesn't find time then we just wait until he comes back from his holiday .

My estimation is that Deccan is in a really strong position and one of the 3 major powers atm . Having to give away that position now for some days or even forever is surely not what Deccan wants to do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

So let's give Deccan the chance to enjoy his holidays without fearing to stale or the forcement to seek a sub or whatever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

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Yeah, it's still quite far away, but I'm very busy at work right now as I have a lot of things to take care off before I leave.

I'll probably only spend a day in Brisbane. I remember walking around Brisbane CBD Last year looking for a Wi-Fi hotspot to play an MP game but couldn't find one.

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Indulging in some wishful thinking Panther? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Actually, I was thinking that I would prefer Steerpike taking over more than anyone else, as it would give him a second chance at kicking your ***. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Not practical! I'm gone for five weeks! Haha. Actually, once I "settle down" a bit after an initial bout of travelling I could probably play if I tried. But I would still risk some intermittent stales.

*Blush* Now if Panther cuts my empire down to size before I can hand it over to Steerpike, I'd be very embarassed.

Don't worry too much about me. My position as a hyperpower in Argitoth's MP game is nicely satisfying my delusions of Dom2 grandeur. Truth to tell, I'm getting a bit bored with Dom2 and looking forward to getting some new games during my holidays, e.g. Rome: TW, Pirates!, Sims 2 etc. I'll still be around, but I'll probably only play like 1 or 2 games at any one time.

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So I guess we have 10 days to see the battle of the two superpowers (Abysia and Ctis).

I know this turn I saw Abysia wreck havoc on vanheims and marignons armies with very little casualties.

I am just going to take your water provinces Panther if you dont mind lmfao.

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Graham Grassbahl of the Mighty Black Iron Lord of Ulm would be happy to take over full maintenance of Panther's empire if that would help everyone out... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Have a good vacation, Deccan!!! Be sure to use the time to brush up on your Spinoza and Hegel. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

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Yeah i play only 1-2 games at once since about 2 months too . This is imo the optimal amount of games with more it is more like a work and not too fun because you play then almost only dom 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

You could also try battle for middleearth .
If you don't care about graphics too much but want a really satisfying + deep singleplayer mainly game try Victoria - An empire under the sun from paradox entertainment .

Rome is really worth being bought also , the battles are simply amazing to watch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif . The only problem is if you are an old TW veteran Rome will provide no challenge for you after the fist 20-40 hours or so .

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Umm Grim did you really have 116 pd at that battle I watched that killed Panther's army?

Oh and my scout saw it because I moved in there the same time the army did. You have so much pd everywhere that a scout cant even go one province without dying in your land.

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No Comment, my PD is my business. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Grim Knight

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Wow , how much money does it take to buy 116 pd?

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Hey!! I love Victoria and Europa Universalis!!! Super games.

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6786 gold for 116 pd

It looks like an interesting strat that can be very good for nations with good pd such as marignon.

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Do you maybe know Nebukadnezar ?
And do you maybe understand german as well ?
Nebukadnezar wrote 3 really gorgeous AARs (unfortunately in german only in the german victoria forum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ) they show you what insane things are possible with victoria http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

He had the patience to get over 1 million victory points with korea in 1920 e.g. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

If you browse the paradoxforum often i did about 200 Posts there as boron as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

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Dominions distracted me from Vicky, but I will check it out. Aber mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht.

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It can also be good for any nation if the nation can bring up a strong global http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

I buy often 100 pd in SP but never did so far in MP .

If you take though e.g. marignon 80 PD cost you 3240 to buy .
If you would buy all the troops you get manually then marignon had to pay 140x10 + 2x40 gold for recruting = 1480 gold and 96 upkeep per turn . So after 18 turns it is cheaper then if you would buy the troops + pay upkeep ^^ .

With ulm , jotunheim , vanheim and abysia this strat is interesting as well .
Especially ulm + jotunheim have even potentially dangerous to SCs PD .

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Did my turn now only arco left http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I must admit that I have never seen PD over 100 ever before. It was a surprise for sure. And even though I killed a big portion of it, they all just come back at full strength. I wonder if Boron took this into account in his analysis above? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif