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Nerfix,
You're right about Recuperation, it's not a combat effect, I didn't think of it ! Well I've to find a new idea .. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Weapons of Sharpness as E9 bless doesn't look more powerful than Fire weapons (F9) or Death weapons (D9), why do you thonk so ?

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Niefelheim giants are expensive, they better be good!

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Perhaps we should start a new topic for discussions of blessings and their balance? In fact, I think I will...

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WoS scales up with the power of the blessed unit. You could slap weapons with high damage (Demon Bane, Moon Blade, Halberds of Strenght) on sacred commanders and have them do obscene amounts of AP damage.

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Personnally I like regeneration at nature 4, but I think having a regeneration bless is more balanced if you can't have regen without berserking (your sacred troops regenerate but won't survive a defeat in most cases, and your sacred mages die often after a berserking crisis).

Why not giving regen + berserking (0) at nature 4, then for example a 80% poison resistance at nature 9 ? (after all air 9 just give a 80% resist). Nature 4 won't be a no brainer in this case, after seeing two or three times their berserk prophet or best sacred mage charge alone after recieving one arrow, players won't use nature 4 in all games.

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I agree it does feel less thematic. Maybe its possible to change this so that with regen at N9 also comes a vulnerability, like fire prot -50 (this will serve the Niefel giants quite well I suppose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

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Nerfix expressed sadness about the fact that Nagas are no longer available on pretender creation. This is due to the fact that naga exist as a recruitable race in LA Patala (late era monkeys), which is rather limiting for even the greatest specimens of their race. Golden Naga is gone, or at least I haven't yet noticed her anywhere, but there are few new hybrid creatures, and I have had this strangest feeling of having met some of them before...

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...46648-temp.jpg

The feeling is rather disconcerting, especially in her case, as I'm sure I could never forget such a meeting.

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Under her special abilities, is that weird little green/black icon the indicator for her +lamias ability or is it something else? It's not ringing any bells.

She's a nice little pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Awesome.

I believe that the dark green icon is icon for Poison Cloud.

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Indeed, it's poison breath/aura. There were few "accidents", so a new icon was added.

Not so little any more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Wow, the D9 blessing was changed. How about B9? I sure hope that was changed...

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Does size factor into combat calculations at all? I can't recall if that's the case either. If it does, I know there's already a ton of information on unit screens, but I'd love to see size indicated somewhere. Hey, it might be redundant with the icon, but still, I like numbers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I think I promised some Late Age Arco a while ago.

A Great Conqueror left forth from Arcoscephale... and died. Astrologers were killed because they weren't good enough to keep him alive. Ancient Sibyl seeresses have come to guide the kingdom in these new times. They are skilled in Astral and Nature, and can get Death via randoms. Much has stayed the same (Hoplites, Hypaspists, Heart Companions, Priestesses), but there are few new things.

Finally, some cavalry:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...46665-temp.jpg

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Interesting stuff. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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A new order of soldiers is being formed. An interesting combination of Hoplites and Hypaspists, or perhaps Peltasts and Hoplites, or perhaps they are something completely new.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...46672-temp.jpg

To answer a question asked elsewhere: their spears have a counter-balance. See, there's metal in both ends of that spear!

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I'm sure you aren't interested in the latest development of armored elephants or gorillas clad in cerulean blue, so I'll give you a pointer to the mystic power the Sibyls wield:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...46674-temp.jpg

This is their whole starting gem income, BTW. In Late Age, 4 is the new 5! It's hard to argue with the Magistrates of Man: if a Magister of Mathematics grows bored with you, he'll call the Magister of Theology to "purge" the heretic! It's hard to argue with inquisition.

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*chuckle* Way to tease, Endo. You're doing a great job of keeping us interested. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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In Late Era Man is the new Marignon? Ah well, it's only a five letter difference.

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Not exactly. There are Magister, the scout-engineer-spies who are, pretty often but not always, mages of some kind. Then there are the Magisters Arcane, who are a bit closer to normal mages. Then there are Magisters of Theology. They aren't that good at preaching, but boy do they enjoy a good debate! There are few more interesting commanders as well. Patrol bonus (20) anyone?

In a way, Chelms is the new coming of Golden Era Arcoscephale from the EA.

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But good sir, does Chelms have flying contraptions?

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Someone has been watching too many Hercules re-runs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Speaking of the MoM, how the heck is she supposed to "give birth" to anything when the lower half of her body is a snake? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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As far as I know snakes are perfectly capable of giving birth even if the lower half of their bodies is a snake.

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ROFL!!!

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Technically, I believe snakes lay eggs, which generally isn't considering giving birth.

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True, but some species of snakes (and lizards) hatch the eggs inside of them and that could be seen as giving birth.

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I was going to comment on that and further define that few snake species are also capable of live birth, but it seems there are many snake species that do this:

http://www.szgdocent.org/resource/rr/c-egg.htm wrote:

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See? With a tiny bit of an imagination it is easy to see MoM (...LOL) giving birth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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No. They do have Earth and Air magic, though.

I wouldn't know. Are we are talking about the same Echidna here?

EDIT: I checked Google, and unfortunately, Ekhis is one of the first results in all searches. They even have a picture of her. That's a pity, because I'd have loved to leave someone wondering why I'm talking about small spiky proto-mammals.

g define:echidna
In the most ancient layers of Greek mythology Echidna (ekhis, meaning "she viper") was called the "Mother of All Monsters". Echidna was described by Hesiod (Theogony) as a female monster, who mothered with Typhon every major monster in the entire Greek mythos. Usually considered offspring of Uranus and Gaia, or sometimes Ceto. She had the face of a beautiful woman but the body of a serpent (see also Lamia). ...

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Yeah, thanks for all these infos and screenies Endo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Uh, didn't see that, this one is my baby also, I'm very proud ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I had the idea and put them in my Dom2 ArcoMod to make Arco looks more like Macedonians. Illwinter was nice enough to make the graphics (I'm totally unable to draw anything either buy hand or mouse...).
Now they have been adopted forever ! Thanks IW !

And there is also the Agema Cavalry, same story ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Sorry, but it tickled my childish funny bone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Then good sir it is not a worthy successor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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It's been too long since the last screenie. I think it's time to resurrect this thread.

T'ien Chi or Caelum would both interest me. Or, heck, more on Bandar Log while we're at it.

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Caelum please!

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Show us something from the Raptors...

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Mmm, chicken... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

It's night in here. Dark outside, too. I took a nap and am awake now, so you'll have your pics before morning here. Probably an hour from this message or less. Late Age, Caelum and/or Tien Chi. Don't expect anything for half an hour, though.

edited for attachment for proper format of a post on the next page.

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Wow! Return of the Raptors has changed quite a bit since my last venture to the frozen mountains!

All Raptors have mapmove of three. Their Medium Infantry is better than Storm Guards. There are no more Temple Guards. Earthbound are the new sacred warriors.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47936-temp.jpg

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Here are Raven Guards. They might've existed in Dom2 already. There also Iron Crows. They wear only Scale Mail Hauberks, but they have shields.

RotR doesn't have any stealthy leaders apart from the Scouts. I don't know why; it might be that the latest revision broke something.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47938-temp.jpg

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Caelum: RotR also has Earthbound, who are essentially Wingless in tin cans heavier than the plates of Ulm (with reinvigoration and mapmove 2). Anyway, away from the interesting stuff and back to the mechanics:

Shields are good. I'll give you an example.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47944-temp.jpg

The Chakram isn't that good, but an extra 14 damage before the two forces clash should be good, right?

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For the same money, the only other melee unit you can get is Vanara Infantry.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47946-temp.jpg

The only difference is the Buckler. It's just as if they had two more defense... BUT! It's still just def 11. It's not good. And this isn't normal defense, but a shield, and enemies can just punch through the shield! Effectively, they can overcome the shield with either good attack roll or stat, or high-damage weapon or good strength or lucky roll. Then I tested them. Vanara Infantry survive much, much better than I thought! The buckler, even the buckler, makes a huge difference! I was surprised. It'll take some time to become accustomed to this new shield system. Especially with the new four-handed national summons... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Here's another Ranged weapon/ Buckler comparison for you.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47926-temp.jpg

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47951-temp.jpg

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I predicted bucklers would not be trivial and last time I checked, I don't make foolish assumptions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Numbers are everything.

I think it would be nice to see some Ti'en Chi or however you spell them.

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RoTR looks very cool!

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As we all know, time is relative. For me, who can play Dominions 3 whenever I want, time passes fast, sometimes even too fast. For others, like JaydedOne here, time passes far more slowly. I'm not sure how long, exactly, he waited for an update in this thread. I think it's the most common 24h per 1 beta hour, in which case the 69 hours between Sibylline Caves and his post lasted for over two months! Sorry about that, I was busy playing and forgot how slowly time passes in your position.

Speaking of time, time is a limited resource. It's hard to get, and almost impossible to reverse.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47963-temp.jpg


Which is sometimes a pity. Ancestor Smiths are even better fighters, by the way. 66/50 years old, they have the exact same maluses as the Spirit Masters, but still just as skilled as the best warriors of the barbarian tribes. The best warriors who are possessed by the spirits of the best warriors of the ancestors' time, that is.
They have interesting randoms, by the way, these leaders of the barbarian tribes. Of AENDS, they can get any but the one they already are strong in. That is, Ancestor Smiths have E2 and can't get E3, just as Spirit Masters can't get N3 and Ancestor Guides can't get Death 3.

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Fascinating.

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And you're awake at this time? 0:33 is no time to wait for an erratic poster to post few more pictures of a game you'll have in just a few weeks' time. Begone, Servant of the Sandman! Go back to your master and knock yourself cold! Scamper, lest I release a swarm of ancestors to hunt you down!

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...47968-temp.jpg

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Since we now have so many more national troops who are animals, what is the significance of being one? Aside from the Beast Trainer maybe having animal awe, I can't recall anything.

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Someone has been watching too many Xena re-runs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Actually, Endo, I was up for other reasons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif