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This standards mod is very confusing, there are some nation whose banners like exactly the same so you don't know who to PM.

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The standards mod is an improvement - but I have to second Executors comment - They are still hard to distinguish.

I'd like to suggest the use of / bars as well as \ bars - between those and the dots, and the various color combinations I think we'd have enough combinations to distinguish.

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If in serious doubt, you can always attack him, and ingame message tells you which nation it is. Easy and fast. ;)

The different eras are distinguishable, but not at glance. I kinda like the differences in details, though.

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They can be difficult to tell, but if you go to the Pretender list, or to Graphs, you can see both offenders (C'tis is the worst, IMO) almost side by side, and you should be able to tell them apart then.

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Why was the game delayed? Originally it was scheduled to go off in about 3 hours... it seems it is now delayed...

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Well, I promised that last hosting is on 23th. I didn't expect it to be 3 AM, but well, word is a word. I had 3 requests to postpone that turn, due to Christmas. And I perfectly know how much preparations take, so I agreed. I don't think we are in a hurry, small break will do good for everyone :)

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Hey Zel,

No offense but this was going to be 24 hours turns until the 23rd. And we've already delay the turn on the 22nd now until the 24th.

I'm all in favor of liberal delays - ie., but can people post the request here - and/or can you post up what the plan is? I've been checking on here to do my turns - presumably other people are too.

Last I heard we were delayed until 18:30 Tues - so I've checked back more than one time. Now its delayed till wednesday. Did someone request another delay or are you just pausing the game?

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a new turn hosted and has 24h..... should this turn have a week to do it?

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The Sauromatians have been duped by the vile Caelumites into attacking us.

I must emphasize - when I ***** and moan about QM+Micah killing us all, I am not at all kidding. But I'm not going to deal with them by myself if I get stabbed in the back.

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The great Sauromarignonian alliance was duped by no-one.

Abysia has in their pride expanded far into lands that belong to Sauromarignon, and challenged us to try and seize them if we want to reclaim what is rightfully ours.

We have merely accepted Abysia's challenge.

-- Marignon

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Agarthians, great in stature,

Nonethess stare in wide eyed wonder, at what the Caelums and the Abyssians, and the Sauromatians have accomplished - and feels humbled.

Things on the surface are different indeed!

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Bump to remind everyone the game is starting up again!

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Ossa has vanished and has not replied to my emails. So, I am currently taking over as temporary commander of the Sauromatian forces. I've posted for a temp sub.

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Lingchih has kindly offered to sub for Sauromatia. I've done this turn while he gets the maps and stuff downloaded.

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Hello. Nice to see so many folks that have kicked my butt once again.

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Sauromatia/Marignon and Caelum/Caelum are allied against me, it is quite clear.

Sauromatia's SC God is dead, he staled a turn, and I wiped out one of his armies (about 100 troops.) I had earlier offered him peace, he attacked me (claiming I had seized too much territory). My latest peace offer, admittedly somewhat less generous, was simply ignored. So Sauromatia is enough of a threat that he may tilt the balance of my war in Caelum's favor, but if he wastes further resources against me, he's hardly going to be a counterweight against Caelum.

I'm going to fight Caelum and Saur as long as I'm able, but unless you guys want Micah taking half the map and soon, someone had better attack his other flank.

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Kailasa has the same trouble, we are being attacked by Yomi/Ea Mictlan/Vanheim, but we'll give them a run for those lands.
So, neighbors of Yomi/Mictlan feel free to attack them since all their troops are busy as well as pretenders.

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I somehow misread the nest turn time - I thought turn 16 was due for today evening. Sorry, was on vacation - could you plz reset my email adress?

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That's okay, I'm forwarding you the turn now.

Zeldor will need to change the email address back for you.

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PM it to me, I don't have e-mails stored anywhere. I will change it tomorrow.

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So Im out? OK, cool. PM me if you need any help in the future.

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Sorry about that Lingchih, I hadn't heard from Ossa at all and he staled, so I assumed I needed a sub for him.

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So Ossa is still playing or not?

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Yes, I believe he is playing. I was not sent the new turn.

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Yep, Ossa is back and I forwarded him the .trn file 3 or 4 hours ago.

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Sooooo the results are in - and there are quite a few surprises!
Ive collate the results by team (saved and attached as an html file). Which looks better. Raw data below.


So, a few big surprises. Through 18, the winner is not MA/LA Caelum.. but it is ... (drum roll please).

Winged Dog / Pretorian:...LA Abysia +LA Midguard
JimMorrison / MadFrancis:.La Jomon + EA Lanka
Micah / QM:...............MA Caelum + LA Caelum
Gregstrom / Dr.P..........MA Bander + EA Abysia


LlamaServer Scores, Preponderance turn 18
Provinces
Nation Provinces Forts Income Gem Income Research Dominion Army Size Victory Points
EA Sauromatia 11 3 1809 20 907 121 856 1
EA Mictlan 14 4 1013 18 107 30 794 1
EA Abysia 14 4 2612 13 321 180 748 1
EA C'tis 12 3 1919 12 1118 151 646 1
EA Agartha 15 2 1490 17 333 250 550 1
EA Vanheim 12 2 1437 7 692 161 315 1
EA Kailasa 8 3 965 15 178 143 579 1
EA Yomi 12 3 1685 27 639 295 344 1
Independents 122 0 9313 204 0 0 23562 2
MA Ermor 13 2 1654 15 100 157 1522 1
MA Pythium 6 2 1436 11 900 143 550 1
MA Ulm 12 4 1535 17 651 180 680 1
MA Marignon 12 3 2030 17 529 228 582 1
MA Caelum 15 2 1840 37 792 218 553 1
MA C'tis 12 2 1866 5 374 191 1229 1
MA Bandar Log 14 3 1806 15 733 211 460 1
LA Marignon 12 3 1671 15 1055 197 760 1
LA Mictlan 10 4 934 10 224 91 195 1
LA Jomon 14 4 2411 17 605 247 822 1
LA Abysia 10 3 1407 20 888 185 408 1
LA Caelum 14 4 2361 21 794 245 488 1
LA Midgard 17 4 2694 40 832 157 952 1
LA Utgard 11 3 1771 15 772 81 583 1
EA Lanka 13 3 1805 14 664 171 622 1
LA Bogarus 11 3 2012 24 1241 182 429 1
Team 1: EaVaneim+MA Ulm 21 5 2619 30 278 300 2101 2
Team 2: LA Abysia +LA Midguard 27 7 4101 60 1720 342 1360 2
Team 3: EA-Yomi +EA Mictlan 26 7 2698 45 746 325 1138 2
Team 4: EA Ctis + La Marignon 24 6 3590 27 2173 348 1406 2
Team 5: MA Bander + EA Abysia 28 7 4418 28 1054 391 1208 2
Team 6: MA Mari +EA Sauro 23 6 3839 37 1436 349 1438 2
Team 7: LA Utgard + LA Bogarus 22 6 3783 39 2013 263 1012 2
Team 8: La Jomon + EA Lanka 27 7 4216 31 1269 418 1444 2
Team 9: MA Caelum + LA Caelum 29 6 4201 58 1586 463 1041 2
Team10:EA Agartha+LAMictlan 25 6 2424 27 557 341 745 2
Team 11:MA Pyth + MACtis 18 4 3302 16 1274 334 1779 2
Team12:EA Kailasa + MA Ermor 21 5 2619 30 278 300 2101 2
Provinces Forts Income Gem Income Research Dominion Army Size Victory Points Overall Rankings
Team 1: EaVaneim+MA Ulm 10 10 10 7 11 10 1 1 60 9
Team 2: LA Abysia +LA Midguard 3 1 4 1 3 6 6 1 25 1
Team 3: EA-Yomi +EA Mictlan 5 1 9 3 9 9 9 1 46 7
Team 4: EA Ctis + La Marignon 7 5 7 10 1 5 6 1 42 6
Team 5: MA Bander + EA Abysia 2 1 1 9 8 3 8 1 33 4
Team 6: MA Mari +EA Sauro 8 5 5 5 5 4 5 1 38 5
Team 7: LA Utgard + LA Bogarus 9 5 6 4 2 12 11 1 50 8
Team 8: La Jomon + EA Lanka 3 1 2 6 7 2 4 1 26 2
Team 9: MA Caelum + LA Caelum 1 5 3 2 4 1 10 1 27 3
Team10:EA Agartha+LAMictlan 6 5 12 10 10 7 12 1 63 12
Team 11:MA Pyth + MACtis 12 12 8 12 6 8 3 1 62 11
Team12:EA Kailasa + MA Ermor 10 10 10 7 11 10 1 1 60 9

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LA Abya/ LA Midgard is atul + evilhomer :)

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...what? Game over already?

I wouldn't call any team a decisive leader yet, though there are some strong contenders.

Besides, there's something funny going on with your nation / player pairings. (And it's spelled Midgård) ;p

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Miðgarðr would be even more proper.

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Can the host plz change the emailadress for sauromatae back to the old one?

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PM me your email, so I can do it.

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I'm in the market to buy thunder rings (and possibly rime hauberks) for my thugs. The good news is that Caelum just burnt five high seraphs and his dinky prophet - the bad news is, he's within striking distance of my capital.

I can trade fire items in huge quantities, if anyone is hankering for fire resistance or just for some kind of armor.

Really, though, I'm not in this game to stop Micah+QM from winning. If you guys are just going to ignore them, I'm not going to make it my job to stop 'em.

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Hrrrrm My teammate in this game seems to have dissapeared over Christmas and New years break never to be heard from again.. Or at least not yet. I'm afraid that at this point most of his provinces have been lost through what looks like at least 3 staled turns now. I suppose I'll keep chugging along for a little while longer, but I'm not sure there is much point if my teammate is gone...

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PsiSoldier
According 1st page of this thread - your teammate is Executor playing Kailasa. He's currantly at forum and he never staled.

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Hrrrrm. Ok your right. have not heard from him since Christmas and Chrispenderson sent me a PM I guess because he was trying to talk to Executor and could not get a reply from him either. Just checked his latest turn and it was not a stale. But everytime I have looked at the game page on lammaserver he has not submitted his turn. Must have been while I was at work when it happened. All is well I guess.

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Kind of curious .... if people don't mind me asking....
I've got a good positive $$ dominion, reasonable number of provinces, and taxes averaging 140%. Yet most players in the game are right around double my income.

Are y'all mostly setting higher taxes.. or are the provinces I'm conquering just sucking? They seem to be averaging 50 income or so.....

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I think all he was saying was, that according to the raw data from the current graphs, that is how he's analyzing the game. It's like the Sports section in the newspaper discussing league standings - a lot can change, but there's always something to talk about. ;)

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a lot of nations have good scales, and the PLAINS portion of the map is mostly PLAINS and hence good income.... also.... setting 140% tax leaves you with lower income in the long run than 100% does it not?

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zeldor please change back my email to me as soon as possible, thanks.

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I'd believe overtaxing really kills your money balance on the long run, 140% on average would already spell doom in my mind. Chrispedersen, it's just that you're in the caves which are really poor.

On the other hand, many have taken superb scales in this game. I'm not saying anything about my own, but it would seem my neighbour in the next valley has something like Order3, Prod3, Growth3. Hard to be poor with scales like that.

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LA-Mictlan and Jomon are pleased to announce a treaty of mutual defence and support.

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May we have a 12 hour extension?

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I talked today with Zeldor on IRC channel - he's away and likely would be unavailible for the next 2-4 hours, so chances are he is not getting your message in time.

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laughing - why didn't you just forward my request?? =P

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I was not here already when you wrote that. I am usually against any delays, besides holidays. So if you want turn postponed at least give me a good reason [may be fake :)]. And inform me sooner.

Anyway, we will be on 48h hosting in few turns.

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The people of Jomon and Lanka rejoice! A treaty of alliance has been struck with the people of Mictlan (LA) and Agartha (EA).

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Ea- Kailasa has staled for the last 2 turns - and as he is under attack Mictlan, Yomi, and EA Vanheim - I'd like to at least suggest that he be put to AI.

I'm going to email Executor and see if he will do it. If I don't get a response in 24 hours, I will send a private message to Zeldor.

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It is his teammate that should be trying to take care of that. And yeah, if he will continue to stale, let me know and I will turn him AI.

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turning him to ai is going to make him attack his teammate.... can't you just set the emails to be forwarded to his teammate?

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Underground News Dispatch

Disturbing news from the Surface of the World!

Consolidation of the surface by the surface worlds continues.
Our worms on the street confirm that over the last quarter...

The FireBreathers of LA-Abysia and Midguard have picked up more than 10 provinces - equal to the totals of the next two teams combined (Caelum & Utgard). The wealth of all those provinces also garnered them the largest increase in gold - an increase per turn of 939!

The sleeper of the last quarter had to be Utgard - picking up more than 1400!!!! in research, as well as 82 Dominion candles, and garnishing more than 29 ADDITIONAL gems per turn. Truly Incredible.

Meanwhile the two caelum added 3 forts and almost double the size of their armies, adding 819 to their upkeep, at a time when they are engaged in a war. Truly amazing and disturbing tidings.

The Top 4 teams were responsible for every first place finish. Truly a dominating performance.

By our lowly rankings the top teams are.....

#3.. Jomon/Lanka. We have no idea how they did it. IF we had hands we'd be scratching our (multiple) heads.
#2 LA Abysia / LA Midguard. Simultaneously taking out an underground garrison AND almost completely destroying Marignon.
and.. for the second straight quarter.....

#1... the Twin Caelums. The clouds are about the only place these birds haven't put a fort. The peace they have reached with their other neighbors has allowed them to Dominate Dr.P and control the south center. Will it last? ..Will the caelums continue their unfettered flight to the top... Tune in next quarter for more .. upside news.. if we're not extinct.

The underground oracle predicts that tomorrow's weather will be clear. Temperature will be a balmy 68 degrees. Just like last year. And the year before.