Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I don't like 24 hour turns if quickhost is turned on, as turns can then creep forward until it's impossible for some people to actually play them. I'd suggest 30 as a minimum.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

24 hours is a little short. Exspecially if you get the file at a really inconvenient time.
Almost missed a couple of 24 hour turns in a game because of sleep or just getting home a couple hours or so before turns finish.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I don't know. I really like 24 hour for the early turns. As IH said, they are so quick and easy to do. Honestly, if you know you are going to be out of town or somehting in the first couple weeks of a game, you probably should not join it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Seriously, attack the Gorgon. I need to know what she can handle without the best equipment. You noobs have already won the game.

Maybe.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Maybe we can convince pyg to try after we manage to kill one of you off, as a confidence booster. I'm also hoping some of the others can do a little more than they've been able to so far. Of course, nothing says we're going to get anywhere very quickly :P

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I wouldn't go below 30 for the first 10 turns of any game I'm admin'ing simply due to my own schedule, depending upon the size of the teams a certain amount of time must be allowed for team communication, that would dictate the minimum regardless of what turn it is.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I think Mysteria should come get a taste of Wyrm. To quote someone (QM I think) from IRC, "I maintain a basic strategy of not attacking where I'm not sure I can win."

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Creep is implicit in any timing, you can't hang it on 24hr just cause its not your preference. You will creep just as much - more actually - with a 30hr schedule since it's not a regular "day" division. At least with 24/48hr you know implicitly how much time you have b/w turns.

There is no problem with 24hrs, you just have to not obsess over your turn. Turns 1-10 take 5 mins max. You can't tell me you dont have 5mins to spare. And pretty much everyone has a time of day thats optimal to play turns right? So if you have a 24hr timer, then you are *gauranteed* to fall into that slot once in the cycle.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I'm happy to say that the incredibly dangerous Mictlan seems to be down for the count. He has a few provinces left, but no temples and his god died this turn... so a dominion-related death appears imminent, even if he CAN hold onto provinces with just a mage and some pd. Three cheers for Aristander, slayer of the colossal head!

Ermor is still a bit weak from the thrashing midgard gave him, and abysia isn't faring very well against the walls of ulm's capitol. So it looks like the major threats to Team Noob are now Pythium and Pangaea, who so far have more or less evaded any real damage. Hopefully we can bring that down to one major problem nation shortly :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

That's because we are good dude!

And the Gorgon would be foolish to move out of Dominion. You'll have to come and get her Pyg.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I would just like to point out that my vampire went through almost that entire battle on fire. Also, ouch. That hurt. There's fire everywhere! EVERYWHERE! If it's not fire, then it's burnt, stinking corpses!

I'm just glad that vampire's so bloody scary.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I was a threat? Heh. Oh I guess when my pretender was alive yeah maybe. Not really since.

Hat's off to Ulm tho for good use of his thug. It was an unadvisable attack on my part but he was well equipped and scripted. He carried the battle for you.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Trust me you were. For a while there it seemed like you were about to break through ulm and be able to help mictlan by attacking me and gath from behind. Of course, that actually is about when you lost your god, so I suppose perhaps your assessment is somewhat accurate.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Good battles, I am sure. But need I point out to you all that nothing matters until the Gorgon enters the fray?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Indeed, I don't think anyone really has anything that can kill the gorgon yet. Who knew astral pearls could be so hard to find? Anyway, I don't know about now but we'll be sure to give you a battle or two against her if you promise to resign immediately afterward :D

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Sure. I promise to resign if she gets killed.

Of course, killing a Gorgon is very hard.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Nooot quite what I was thinking....

Actually I might be able to kill the gorgon, but if I lost I would be set back inordinately much. I'm a bit low on the mages I'd need at the moment due to certain other circumstances.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Ok meet me in Nicia(93) turn 21 at high noon and lets have a good ol' fashioned shoot out.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I'll bring my best six-guns.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I too, wish a crack at your harlot from hell.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Ok, the attack came a turn early, but then, just see my sig for explanation. It went quite well, and was quite entertaining. I believe I killed two thirds of your army, and quite a few ended up running to the boats. And, my Gorgon did the right thing and flew when it came down to just her against your terrifying Wyrm.

Wouldn't mind doing it again, but next time I'll bring Black centaurs to take down that Wyrm.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Sorry to be long-winded. But I have decided I will not surrender. The last battle convinced me that Pan can hold up to anything you noobs can throw at it. I will continue the game on alone if necessary.

Mysteria is the True God.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Of course you won't surrender :P

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I expect deviousness. I learned a fair amount esp. regarding screens for archers as your Black Centaurs really put the hurt on my crossbows. Fire fliers apparently doesn't consider the Gorgon a target. Skinshifters do OK against Dryad Hoplites (crossbows are good). I was disappointed to note that no one hit your Gorgon other than the Wyrm.

Mysteria ran away with just 4hp. Cut that kind of close huh? You sure you want to try again? Looks like Nicia is becoming unfriendly dominion as well...

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

I also noticed that in only two rounds of actual combat with it, my Black Centaurs took your worm down to around 100 hp. That's when the order to retreat came. I'm thinking 10, maybe 15 blackies can take that wyrm down. Well, we'll see.

And yes, I still want to do it again. The game may be lost, but I'm having a blast.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Pan surrenders. I believe all of Team Vet now concede the game.

Good game noobs. You kicked our butts. I would have kept playing, but I was outvoted.

Is it time for Mysteria's Revenge?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

Indeed, we do concede. Actually we were ready to concede probably 6 or 7 turns ago. But, we wanted to fight on for honor's sake and to give you all a couple more bruises before we went out. Congratulations to all the noobs, you played well!

I hope that we gave you some good experience and even a couple of surprises. For our part, I think we played pretty well given the staggering size of the odds opposing us. Unfortunately, we were too cocky when choosing our team makeup and map size at the start of the game and in the end that really crippled us. If a rematch of this game does occur I can assure you that that mistake will not happen again :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Running.
 

The vet team has conceeded @ turn 20. Thanks to all for your participation. Join us in our new game:

Noobs vs Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge.

Septimius Severus wrote:

"In a victory for noobs everywhere, the intrepid team of fresh young noobs, roundly and soundly defeated the team of seasoned battle-hardened vets, who though they fought valiantly and contested every inch, were ultimately humbled and brought low."

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

So you're telling me I roused all those old t'ien ch'i mages from their homes to go knock on ermor's door for nothing? It's a darned shame, that. And I was sure he'd have some suitably nasty surprise waiting for me.

I'm going to lock all our threads for the noob forum and make them open to public viewing. Let you all see just how nooblike our team really was :) I'm going to abstain from the next game, I don't think I'm quite enough of a noob to be proper for this sort of game. I will stay on as admin of the noob forum though and may still end up advising them, but not quite as much as I did this game!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

Okay, creation of new forum done and all threads moved over. I will also be removing all access privileges (except for septimius) to the discussion forum so that only the new batch of noobs (and myself) will be able to see it. So by the time you see this you should not be able to access our planning forum anymore.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

I'll force host the last turn when I can before shutting the game down so that those who sent in a turn will have the opportunity to see the results of their efforts.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

Awww, I was still walking my demons and fanatics through Gath lands to the front.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

Where is the link to the noob forum? I'm curious

FYI, its traditional to state who won the game in the thread title once victory has been achieved. Just to give some love to the winner(s).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

The link is on the first post of the thread. But since I have the noob forum open anyway I'll just link it for you here.

http://teamnoob.forumotion.net/forum.htm

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, Game Over, Noobs are Victorious! Hail Noobs!
 

That forum is great! I had no idea you guys were so organized. Gosh, all we vets did was email each other every once in a while. Stuff like, "Why the hell can't you hold that chokepoint. Get your *** in gear man."

I don't think that was ever actually said, but you get the idea. We played this game very non-chalantly, and paid the price.

And, to answer some of your queries, yes, Ermor and Pan could have held out for quite a while, and dished out some pain. In the end, we just realized there was no point in it. We were going to lose, regardless.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, Game Over, Noobs are Victorious! Hail Noobs!
 

:D

Yeah, I think having a place to organize ourselves and discuss battle plans helped us in that game enormously. If he hadn't had such a high level of communication and help between ourselves it could have gone a lot worse for us. There were still some things that didn't quite work as well as I would have liked, but all in all the forum far exceeded the use I had intended it for and was definitely a key part of our victory.

Well, that and two very big breaks. The first was that incredible stroke of luck when mictlan's army was decimated by my pd, allowing gath to sack his capitol. The second was abysia's loss of his god to ulm and his prophet. Actually that prophet should probably be counted as a lucky break himself, his contribution to the defense of ulm's lands was enormous. Without him the game could well have gone quite differently.

I want to know what ermor had at the end to contend with me. I was sending a large army of infantry up, to support a good number of celestial masters scripted to spam cleansing waters at him, combined with a large number of spirit masters (2n 1d) that I needed to give me supplies and were ready to cast mass dust to dust. I was pretty confident that I could defeat the same army pyg had defeated... but then I was expecting there to be something rather more nasty in there.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

Is this really going to happen? It looks to me like the game went away already. *sniff* I'll never get to see that final battle of Askuth -vs- Mysteria. Askuth probably won anyway right Lingchih?

Overall this game was great fun. Thanks everyone!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, Game Over, Noobs are Victorious! Hail Noobs!
 

I don't know about anyone else... I received the final turn for me sometime after receiving the message that the game was ending. Not quite sure how that happened, but it did. Unfortunately your area of the island was too well-patrolled for my spies to live very long and I did not see that battle to send you a turn file.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Game Over.
 

Oh, I wasn't going to send Mysteria against that beast again. I was going to use sacred Black Centaurs to kill it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, Game Over, Noobs are Victorious! Hail Noobs!
 

I wonder what you guys think of this idea, posted on the victorious nations thread:

"I'm considering running my Noobs vs Vets series on a regular basis, game 1 focusing on battle tactics, formations, short term strategy and game 2 focusing on longer term strategic planning, magic, and development. This is intended to be something of a public service boot camp curriculum for noobs, vets pitching in to train, teach fresh green noobs the game. Winning or losing for the vets is not the main goal.

Would it be possible to come to some sort of an agreement, as an inducement(or rather reward) to get more Hall of Famer's and expert vets to join, to credit them or count it as a 1/2 victory for HOF ranking purposes, irregardless of whether they win or lose?

It would be a noble thing to do. Just an idea."

Noobs could take both "courses" twice if they wished, or once if they want to. Of course it would depend on the supply of fresh green noobs in the MP Dominions arena (hopefully something that is not diminishing too much) :).