Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

The hands off capitals for 5 turns was only suggested by Hoplo because Dr. P seemed to have an issue regarding the capitals being known beforehand. And since, I didn't want to change this, I also proposed it as measure to reassure the vets and calm their fears. I also reminded everyone that actual nation locations would not be known by either side until contact is made.

We noobs are certainly no sissies and I'm sure we can do without it just as much as the vets. Generally I would encourage everyone though to make smart decisions early on and refrain from taking risks that might backfire. With the capitals being known, it only makes sense that people would take precautions to protect it. That being said, I am sure our noobs are eager to give the vets what is coming to them, therefore the vets should not expect any mercy!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Yes. You can upload whenever you are ready. I'll be uploading the map with the modified starts very soon.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Yes, Baalz. The vets may attack each other at will. We noobs shall not interfere.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

So to be clear - is it hands-off capitals for the first five turns or no?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Thanks for the input. Ahh, I always get excited when I see a potential fresh green noob for our game. Have no fear though,I'd like to have you as a noob alternate, this may give you a chance to sample a team game, without commiting yourself the whole game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

If you can speak for all your teamates and say that you do not want it, then I will see what our team thinks. Probably the best way is to have the noob captains speak for their team. If either team's captain says yes, then we will do it, otherwise we shall not. Fair enough? I'm sending out a PM to them now.

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What the... noob team captains? As in plural? Singular team and plural captain, or plural team and singular captain per team? Or plural team and plural captain for No Noob Left Behind?

Out with their identities, so we know who to slay first for maximum morale effect!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

To go where no pretender has gone before. Father of Gods has been submitted.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Personally, I would've prefered to have the actual capital locations hidden from the other team - and let use choose whatever province #s we wanted in a certain band.

As is, it'll take more than 5 turns to get to a capital anyway, even with a flyer - so the rule strikes me as pointless but harmless.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Ah, I smell a Greek tragedy in the making. Something about hubris...

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Greek tragedies, like Shakespearean, usually ended just by everyone who mattered dying.

Pride cometh before the fall is a bit more christian thing, at least that's my impression.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Right, pointless but harmless, so lets let the two team captains decide and post. If they want it longer, well then so be it. You, me, and everyone else, can concentrate on other things in the meantime.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Ooops, seems I duplicated a start for the noob team, after 153 should be 154, not 153. The following post replaces the current start location post.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Here are the start locations corresponding to those shown in the map image.

From top to bottom and left to right:

Nob-Vet
336-361
337-304
296-230
299-157
225-82
226-25
153
154
84
85
36
37

This post will be available via link from the opening post.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

As to team captains, there is only one noob team captain. And that is [censored]. :p

By captains he was referring to the noob team captain and the vet team captain, which septimius has been assuming is TheDemon.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

We run things by committee, but I don't think anyone objects to a 5-turn no cap attacks NAP. Let's institute it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Bandar Log objects, vehemently. We propose that none be allowed to attack there capital ever. And that all should offer some food as sacrifice.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Very well. Once the game begins, both teams will refrain from any hostile actions upon the other team's capital for a period of 5 turns.

Rdonj, some have asked whether you'll be hosting/admining a Noobs vs. Vets: Graduates game(s) in the future, featuring small teams of noob alumni matched up with equal numbers of vets. 4vs4, or 5vs5, etc. If such a game happens, I'd recommend a map with the opposing capitals spread very far apart to enable proper development and buildup prior to the epic clash. All other setting though, I'd assume would be normal of course.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Hmm, I don't know. I could do that, but I think it would be best to wait on such a thing for a couple months at least. Most of the vets from this series of games are a bit burnt out on them it seems, so I think such games would get a better response if there was a bit of a cooldown period.

I'm also thinking it might be better to go with the suggestion stretch had of a game with vet team captains and one or two noob allies, they would make for great learning games for noobs vs vets alumni, and probably be quite fun to play.

If someone else wanted to create another noobs vs vets game though I would be happy to admin it for them.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

So...

When are we starting? I see 4/6 of vets have uploaded pretenders and none of the team noob. Sept, maybe some deadline for pretender uploading would be a good thing to get this thing going? After all, the game settings have been set and people have known their nations for sure for days now.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

I think I have mine, but need to make sure it is okay with TEAM NOOB. :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

The noobs are taking their time, practicing, testing, and so forth. I'd like to begin by Saturday though. I myself have some tests I need to run, having spent most of my time in simply organizing everything.

If you vets would like something to do in the meantime, you may post your planned strategies here, tell us what your pretender builds will be, and issue us guest passes to the vet forum.:D

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Yes, I'm burned out myself, hence my planned retirement from hosting. Though, the vets who might participate would not necesarilly have to have played in the other games. It is to see how much noob alumni have learned and how well they could stand in a 1 on 1 competition.

The second idea works of course, and would certainly be very enriching, though I'd think it might be more aptly named "Noobs and Vets".:eek:

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Oh, sure.

My pretender will be imprisoned Great Enchantress with domstr 10 and A10E1S1D9. The plan is to rely on 80% airshield bless on my Vans so that they can close in and kill stuff with DEATH WEAPONS! Cool, isn't it? The Vans will just flip and kill EVERYONE with DEATH WEAPONS!

Unfortunately this takes a lot of points, but no worry. My modest scales, turmoil 3 productivity 0 heat 0 death 3 misfortune 3 drain 3, will ensure that no attacking noob army will be unharmed by raiding barbarian forces. Even the lands I own will soon lose all value thanks to the constant plaque events, so there will be no reason for noobs to attack me. That enables me to aim for research victory and be a excellent support for my teammates.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

I just found the Ultimate Gateway in my capital!!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

That Marignon pretender that's currently uploaded isn't mine. Could you delete it?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Just send in your own, and it should get rewritten?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Doesn't it lock the pretender to the email address? I'll try anyway, but I think it'll just give me an "already taken" mail.


edit: yup

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

I'm sorry guys, but from the looks of it, my laptop can't send or receive files from the internet. I'm trying to fix this problem, but I can't reliably send my god untill wend. If you guys want to wait, that would be excellent, but if not I will do my best to find a sub

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

you can just tell someone what pretender you want to use and have them fashion it themselves and then have them email it in (explain this request on the private noob forum).... then you can have the admin change the email address to whatever email address you want... i do not think it would be reasonable to wait until july to submit pretenders

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Deleted.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Unoptimized, we will move you to alternate for now, and bring in Kietsensei or Stretch to play Shinuyama in the meantime. If you can get back up, we can switch you back in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

So we are down to 3 Vets and 1 Noob with Pretenders in....

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Well it's still 3/6 to 1/12 in our favour in case you're keeping score. :p

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Could someone explain how to upload my pretender? Do I just send the pretender file to Septimius?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...16&postcount=2

More specifically:
" E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail"

So, email pretender file to that address with subject NoobsvsVetsIII_Revolution

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Thanks Atul, I was going to repost that info again. Also important for the greener noobs amongst us (and sometimes for me :)) is the second post of the thread on playing your turns when the game starts:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...17&postcount=3

Remember also, that everything you need to play is posted in the opening post of this thread including the CBM mod, the Planet Rorschach Map, and an image and list of the starting locations. You'll also find links to both team forums, information on game status, settings, current players, etc. It is a veritable supermarket of info! Maybe I'll add a link to the Llamaserver FAQ as well.

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Umm, you want to get this thing on the ball Sept? Half your noobs are not in. I thought we wanted to start Saturday. If Namad can ever get his thumb out of his ***, the Vets will be ready to go.

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fine i submitted... i've been done with the concept for like 3or4days i just felt like stalling since no one else was sending them in... but i can always resubmit if i feel like....


i think we definitely need some form of deadline our team is 100% in and yours is 33% in and like ling says we've all known now what nation we'd have for a week? almost a week?

some form of deadline would be a decent goal... if people are MIA just have alternates take over?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Well, the game was supposed to start on Saturday, I recall...

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Right Saturday is supposed to be the deadline. The noob team though is also currently trying to find a replacement for unoptimized and soon otherwise the start will be delayed.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Uh, sure, I suppose I could be an alternate (sorry, had jury duty yesterday so i was a little slow seeing this).

I'll have to go check out how fast you expect us to take turns, but I'll warn you that weekday evenings are actually better for me than weekends at the moment, so hopefully if/when i have to step in we're at 1 turn/day or something.

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Glad to have ya on board, I think you'll find our turn times quite leisurely. Though we may need ya sooner than I had anticipated as we need a starter for Shinuyama at present. If I don't hear back from our alternates soon, you might need to step in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Hmm.. i guess i should try a SP game as Shinuyama to see what that entails...

The time per turns - 32 hours / first 10 turns. That's 32 hours per turn? I think I can handle that.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Hey, squirreloid, welcome to the game. Since it seems likely that you will be playing for unoptimized rather than subbing this game, you should probably head on over to the noob forum and sign up. You will initially not be able to see anything interesting. After I see that you have signed up I will enable you to see the planning forum for this game. There's quite a lot of discussion in there now, so if you want to read it all it may take a while. I don't think anyone expects you to read all of that, but you will need to post there at least when nations start filling out so there is no inter-team bumping. Of course, they would prefer more.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

You're in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Ok, I'm sort of assuming I'm in for Unoptimized. Could you confirm Septimius?

Also, I've never played a MP game before - how do i get you my pretender file?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM, Pretender Design/Upload
 

Look into your dominions directory. There should be a directory named savedgames and in it, directory newlords. If you create a pretender in the game with Game Tools -> Create pretender, that file is saved into directory newlords as a .2h file with name of the nation you've created a pretender for.

If you've got only one pretender created for that nation, all is fine. If you have several pretenders, you need to remember pretenders are saved in chronological order (mid_shinyuama_0.2h, mid_shinyuama_1.2h, the last being the latest), UNLESS you've deleted old pretenders before.

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Your in for Unoptimized. A link to the Llamaserver FAQ is now included on the opening post of this thread, though Atul has covered what you need to know in previous posts I believe as well.

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We're still waiting for 3 people.

What do we do if there are other n00bs who signed up and have since simply vanished? Could everyone who has not sent in a God check into the thread to verify that you're still alive?