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No idea, to be honest. I said I dont really care what happens in this dumb game anymore. :) Setsumi, the land of brainless loonies.
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Ermor legions are marching and will keep on marching. All that try to oppose us are doomed.
Jomon is gone. Gath is gone. Pythium is gone. Arcoscephale is gone. C'tis is gone. Marignon is gone. Resistance is futile. Stop fighting now, refuse your masters' oppression and surrender your weapons. Your cruel masters are your enemies, all that Ermor brings is eternal peace and peace. Don't let yourselves get blinded by lies spread by our enemies. All hail Ermor! All hail eternal peace and freedom! [Shall we?] |
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We might as well end it since Marig is STILL AI even though we rerolled the turn to undo it, and R'lyeh is attacking everyone on random (which is fun though).
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The dark old ones care not if the game ends or continues.
If it continues we will continue devouring anyone who stands before us. Or beside us. Or wherever. If it ends then we will congratulate the Ermorians on their victory and move on to devouring some other dimension. Either way, evil will always triumph over good. Because good is dumb. |
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There's nothing to congratulate with, since its a random loony who ensures Ermor's victory. Anyway, I dont see how Marignon's AI state changes this game. It doesnt change anything at all.
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Anyway, PLEASE stop this crap about 'lets end this game' every other turn, ok? Let me play this game already. If YOU lost all hope, if you dont know how to play this game, by all means, go AI and get out of here. Let others play. Science, I will personally thank you if you decide to, and even restore a fraction of respect towards you. |
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I'm willing to continue if others do, but I'd rather end this drama-ridden game while we're still having fun. |
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Wow, Kuritza it seems like you really hate this SciencePro guy. It seems you are really going out of your way with all the name-calling and personal attacks. I kind of liked him. He was tasty. Especially with hot sauce!
NY! ARL! AT! HO! TEP! NY! ARL! AT! HO! TEP! |
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Science, hate has to be earned, so ... no, its not hate. Its annoyance.
Quitti - speaking of fun, I started the 'drama' only when all the 'lets declare this game over, we are doomed' cries started - and I was just getting to the most interesting part. All I got was this childish retard going out of his way to ruin this game for me completely. Still, since this is most likely my last game of Dominions, do you mind if I fething PLAY IT TO THE END? |
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And since you mentioned fair play, I dont consider it 'fair' when LA Ermor grows by eating staling newbs one by one, while his neighbours say 'its ok, we'll unite against him later', and then said neighbours say 'he deserved this victory already, lets end this game' again and again.
Furthermore, I dont consider it fair when some idiot breaks game balance by helping the clear leader win the game. Game settings say nothing about team victoriy, as far as I can see its a solo match. So fairness has nothing to do with this game, its too late. I just want these 'lets declare Ermor a winner without a fight' talks stop, kk? |
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'fhalma Kuritza hupadgh mnahn' grah'n
h'gnaiih orr'e mnahn' wgah'n shogg syha'h NY! ARL! AT! HO! TEP! NY! ARL! AT! HO! TEP! |
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Kuritza:
Why so much anger and hatred? Everyone is playing that game to enjoy himself. Why would you expect anyone to help you with attitude like that? It's multiplayer. You deal with live people. They have emotions. They do mistakes. And they are easy to be offended. And too much bad emotions and rushed words are a sign that game maybe should be ended. You gained from weak players near you [Pan for example?], you gained a lot from last rollback [which was totally unnecessary, it seems]. And you can in same moment accuse me of attacking my neighbours when they were weak? You could have assimilated C'tis, instead of supporting weak neutral state. You'd have border with me. You could have killed weak Caelum played by new player to get border with me. You could have aided MArignon with gems and gold to help his war effort. You did nothing, until recently. But now it's too late. You are left alone, smaller and poorer. You can annihilate my useless armies one by one - I won't even notice. I can meanwhile wait and strike when I see fit. You had your chance to stop me and you missed it. If you want to continue fighting for 20,30 or 50 turns, sure, we can do that. But stop blaming other people for your mistakes. Really. |
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Anger and Hatred only make the beast stronger.
Don't poke the beast. Or, go ahead, he won't mind! Rar! |
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1) I expected people help me when I had a different attitude. And I expected people to help THEMSELVES, against you. Read the thread and realize I am speaking the truth.
2) Yes, I gained from weak player near me. But I am not LA Ermor, I couldnt grow as fast as you did. And my neighbours didnt stale as much as yours. Still, I came a rather close second, which is quite good imho, isnt it. 3) I didnt help Ctis, I couldnt care about him less. I attacked Caelum to get a border with you. Alas, I was really reluctant to attack him before that because he was my ally against Pan before, and I promised I wont attack anyone who is about to attack you - which he did. Just like Quitty, btw. When I realized that he is is simply lying and is, in fact, your ally, I attacked him. It was too late. 4) Support Marignon with gems? Sorry, you know he was rather underplayed. Wouldnt help. 5) As you see, I didnt have the chance to stop you. Of course you would like to think that its your immense skill that made you so strong, and my lack thereof that left me alone and weak. But oh please, be honest with yourself for once. 6) Yes you can send your armies and dont care that I annihilate them. You are LA ERMOR, goddamnit. LA ERMOR that all the damn noobs ignored until it came to this. Such a weak nation, right Zeldor? Just an average, weak nation. It only has more that twice the victories than any other nation, despite being banned regularily, because its often played by pro players, of course. And I dont even think this game will teach anyone, anything. 7) Why so much hate? Because I am tired of this. I am tired of idiots who play this game only to support the strongest nation. This is not fun, mind you, to fight the leader, fight an uphill battle, only to be backstabbed by some moron who doesnt want to win and thus doesnt care about game balance. And I am tired of being unable to do anything about it. This crap happened to me too often. And dont you point at my attitude: this is the first time I allowed myself to respond that way in this community, because I simply dont care anymore. I dont see how I can continue playing anyway. You said that people play this game for fun - but its simply NOT FUN to play with backstabbing idiots who support the leader. Not fun to plan, think and develop your nation for half a year for such a dumb end. And even less fun when everyone starts crying 'lets stop the game', which is what caused the 'drama' in the first place, not your imminent victory. |
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Well, to avoid another useless flamefest where you don't actually even respond to my questions, I'll just say that you think very differently than I do. I urge you to test out this overpowered LA Ermor you speak of, it's quite fun.
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I would, but if I pick LA Ermor now, I'm sure these who are aware of this thread will try to prove I'm wrong and attack me, whilst my point is that Ermor is so overpowered when NOT attacked by everybody.
Otherwise, its pointless to argue that Ermor is NOT overpowered since we have statistics. LA Ermor is dominating the top nations list for LA, more than outdated HoF might indicate. Perhaps I will take LA Ermor under a different name after a few months, just to prove my point. I ran some test games in single mode and realised that LA Ermor is simply overwhelming - when not ganked and played properly, of course. By the way, feel free to ask questions via PM. Afaik, I answered all your questions - perhaps you just didnt take it as answers. |
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No one has disputed the fact that Ermor is a very good nation when no-one attacks it. The exactly same thing could be said about any other nation - if no one wages war against you and you can grow freely, you will win the game. Simple as that. The thing that makes Ermor scary is that there's very little profit in attacking it - no income from the lands is a loss, waging war is not simply useful until the late game when income plays a way smaller role. And still you are arguing that Ermor has x wins in HoF and so on, when the game has been made very much more harder against Ermor since most of those victories as far as I know (10x the poploss it used to be).
About the questions part - I wrote a wall of text few pages ago, to which you answered to, hmm, 2 lines of text? 3? Still, it does not make much sense to argue about it, so please, let's leave it be. |
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Ermor is much stronger than any other nation when allowed to attack and consume neighbours one by one. If you dont understand the reasons for it, I am very sorry but I wont explain obvious things.
Check new victories in the thread - you will still find new LA Ermor victories, more than for any other LA nation. And no, its not just 'very little profit in attacking' that makes Ermor strong. Getting rid of Ermor who will kill you if you do nothing about him is a reward enough for these who actually try to win the game by the way. When you just want to 'have some fun' moving troops around until the game is declared over, then there's no point in attacking Ermor, true. As for your wall of text - I answered it, believe it or not. I can explain my answers in detail if you repeat your questions in PM, but I doubt that you are interested. You already know your truth, right? :) |
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FYI I am tired of reading Kuritza's insults so he is on my ignore list. Dude, if you have something you really need to tell me please relay it through someone else or use an in-game message. Anyone, in the unlikely event he says something actually important or relevant (like if he really quits instead of just threatening to quit 10000x times) please let me know.
And, oh yeah, ALL PRAISE THE DARK LORDS! |
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Yeah, I'm not in the game, put like any self-respecting IrC-dweller, I know of this thread and I've been following it. I've managed to keep myself from responding but the last two pages was just too much. I'm an outsider so I really don't have as much info as you guys on how the game ran, so I'm just writing based on what I've read on the thread.
Kuritza, you need to realise that not everyone plays like you do. I've seen similar tirades as yours in board game sessions (I'm a member of a local game club with weekly sessions), where a new player makes a sub-optimal move, screwing some experienced players plans -> drama. As shocking it might seem, some people aren't playing to win, but to have fun while playing. You can't get pissed at other people when they refuse to play like you want them to play (note emphasis). Also note that a coordinated alliance against Ermor really isn't that bright move in all cases. All players who are fighting ermor are "losing" -> They are paying resources without getting much in return. This in turn is a advantage to those nation who are not in the front lines. Looks like the potential alliance members you were trying to rally up just thought that the allaince would be a losing move, probably because it would be benefit their neighbours more than them. "Why wouldn't you ally up so that I can win" really isn't that compelling argument. Or perhaps the players just didn't think that fighting Ermor would be as much fun as some other target. You are playing with humans, not machines out for the optimal gameplay stragedy. Also, blaming the ruination of a game on "staling newbs" isn't really constructive. Dominions 3 is complex game, not just in mechanics but in diplomacy too. They will make mistakes and play in a suboptimal way. Newbies need to be encouraged and given friendly advice, not insulted. If you have a problem with LA Ermor, may I suggest that you won't in future join in games which allow it? If you have problem with a player "rolling over newbs" perhaps try create a non-newb game? What I'm getting at is that this drama should end, for all sides to stop pointless complaining and instead try to learn something from the scenario. |
What can one learn about this scenario, please tell me? Other than 'dont join games with Ermor and lots of noobs'? Diplomacy DOES NOT WORK in such situations. Believe me, I tried hard. You already wrote the reasons why it doesnt work, as Quitty did before you.
'Other people' and 'me'. Well, well. Did you, per chance, play DotA in WCIII? Good players tend to play in closed, or semi-closed, leagues - because playing with leavers and feeders who compose majority of public games is just not fun. So there should either be some rules, like 'dont play vassal to another player least you break game balance', in order for the games to be competitive and enjoyable for all, not just these allying players, or there should be closed games, black lists etc. Or, you know, I can make a couple of alts and start joining games to ruin them in some way or another, mimicing SciencePro. I doubt anyone would like it. And how should I encourage said noob whp backstabs me belching nonsense while I try to fight a grown LA Ermor? As for coordinated alliance against Ermor really isn't that bright move', you see, alternative is 'just lose'. This game is a perfect illustration; its like sitting on a time bomb. You can try to diffuse it, as costly as it may be, or just wait till it blows up and you all die. I dont have a problem with LA Ermor by itself. I dont have a problem with players rolling over noobs by themselves. There's a problem with one particular scenario - LA Ermor rolls over noobs, who get scared and do nothing about him. Its an assured victory for Ermor, and a guaranteed loss to whoever is unfortunate enough to respawn too far from him. Especially when said noobs actually ally with him and start helping him win actively. I am all up for ending the drama and playing, but every second turn somebody starts the 'lets end the game' theme again. |
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Just as a side note - when the rollback happened I erased all earlier orders and redid my turn from the beginning.
I assumed I was domkilled by a massed Melancholie when I didnt get another turn, thats why I didnt look here again. I have no idea why Marignon was still set to AI after the rollback. Not that it would have mattered, but I did not intend to simply bail out of this game. |
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Ossa:
Too bad... well, not really bad for me as I get cheap provs, but for the game as whole. Kuritza: You are the one making that drama. You are the one that is unhappy about the game. You seem to have troubles with the existence of Setsumi. You still claim that Ermor is uber and unstoppable. So isn't your approach contradictory? Trying to fight me when you know you can't win? Admit it, you just want more drama here and entertainment for people that read that thread :) |
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I still claim that FACTS tell us Ermor is overpowered. But I still think I'd have a very fair chance against you had this idiot not backstabbed me. And even then there's probably a good fight ahead because he cant even ruin games properly. Actually, I looked forward to fighting Ermor when I joined this game, fully knowing that Ermor is overpowered, for the challenge of it. But admit it, you made your 'proclamation' because you wanted to provoke more drama and entertain these people who read this thread? :) |
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Can we postpone it by 24 hours?
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Juffos is on irc [or idle?], I will forward, 24h more will be cool for me too.
Or maybe you could surrender instead? If you thought you are doing fine and limiting my army, you are wrong - it's just display limit of 32k, it's still growing :) |
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I dont think anything can limit LA Ermor's army when he is so overgrown. But the only thing that troubles me is that harmonica/virtue combo. Now that will stale my campaign for the next few turns... but its not uncounterable too.
Although very, very nice. Grats. :) |
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Oh, that is a nice idea!
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By the way, I am leaving for a vacation trip for two weeks again. So... please postpone it or close, for all I care.
Happy New Year etc. |
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I have no problem with that. BTW, your resistance is futile.
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I agree that Zeldor wins
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I have already voted for a Zeldor victory once.
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Ah, it was getting interesting again, though if we want to close it, I don't mind.
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I wonder if Kuritza is alive. It's way over those 2 weeks he requested and still no word from him...
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I am.
But it looks like Lapis has ended much sooner than I expected, so I am quitting what has become of Dominions, just like I promised. |
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So what about Setsumi?
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So screw Setsumi. I told you that I play until Lapis ends; Lapis has ended, or so it seems, so I am out.
Setsumi was one of the crappiest Dominions games I ever played, so of course I have absolutely no desire to keep playing it now that I dont want to play Dominions in general. |
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Mission successful. Zeldor of Jomon wins.
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Certainly, this was a masterpiece of timing and suspense. The drama fades ... a long pause ... some reasonableness all around, and it looks like it's all over.
Then, BOOM! Drama. A tremendous dramatic finish by Kuritza. :clap: |
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Here is my last turn file, for anyone interested. It's NOT rar file, just TRN, RENAME extenstion to .trn [really, they could add .trn and .2h to allowed files on those forums].
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Congratulations to.. Zeldor of Jomon. Yes, that it was.
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Congrats Zeldor!
Thanks for sharing your turn file - i'll have to study that... |
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