Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

Yeah, for the next game the new forum would definitely be better.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

Yeah, wish I could keep em together though.

I am glad Melnorjr handled the placement, I would strongly have been tempted to roll that die again and again till The Mysterios were safely on the opposite side of those raging (and probably very angry) giants of DrP and his Deva gang.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

Huh? I thought placements (and colors) weren't being disclosed?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

They're not. He's just speaking theoretically.

Septimius doesn't even know whose where unless he actually looked up the specstarts - I sent him a list of them without indication of which start was what nation.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

I've decided to hold off on creating the game and starting pretender uploads on Llamaserver until Gandalf has finished his additions/changes to the .map file. While I seem to recall creating a game and switching mods and maps before the game started at least once before, it may be better to play it safe.

Due to a naming issue on the server, the map .rgb file and possibly the mod .dm file may need to be renamed, but you won't have to re-download anything. I'll let everyone know if this will be the case and what to rename them to before I create the game.

Thanks.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

can we make sure to start it at least tomorrow, so i can send my pretender in before i leave

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Team Placement, Gandalf's Wizardry.
 

Game updates:

As Micah has done for the Blessed Ones, Lingchih has graciously accepted the position of team advisor for The Mysterios replacing Executor in that capacity. Thanks to Executor for his help.

I have received the AI work from Gandalf. Thank you Gandalf for your excellent work. I will be creating the game and starting pretender uploads (assuming no problems) Sunday afternoon.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Game Creation.
 

The game has been created on Llamaserver. I am waiting for it to show up on the list of games awaiting pretenders.

Edit: Ok, the game is up. You can send in your pretenders.
Remember to have the BI mod (2-1 Gold) enabled when creating your pretenders (just in case).

Before the game starts (before you try your first turn, you'll likely need to rename the map .rgb file you downloaded to "Noobs_and_Vets_Map" as the .map file Llamaserver is using is pointing to that file with the underscores.

Additionally, you may also need to rename the BI mod gold version .dm file posted on our opening post to "better_independents_v2-1_g". However, I don't think this will be necessary. We'll know when we try to run our first turn file. I'll upload the renamed versions for those who haven't yet downloaded anything.

Let's get those pretenders in then!

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Game Creation.
 

just a reminder, i will be gone till the 24th. trumanator will be subbing for me.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Game Creation.
 

Ok, but you could have contacted one of our alternates Tam or Sum1. Assuming you are able to reach them in time.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

trumanator is my brother, so he is my logical sub. otherwise i would have.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Hopefully our alternates will recover from the offense! :D

Clarification for all: when you rename the .rgb and/or the .dm files, don't change the extensions. This goes without saying but just wanted to make sure.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I thought we were using CBM and better indies mods, but now that i look at it again it looks like better indies only. Can you clarify which mods we are using...?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

OK....what is all this name changing on the map, and Bi mod etc.

I have NO idea what you are talking about (though it must have to do with the placing of nations) or how to do it.

If you guys want to have someone that is a little more computer literate take my place, I will certainly understand.:confused:

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Sept - could you update the root of the thread by attaching the mod and map-image files with the correct filenames?

This is actually going to be easier than having people find and rename files they already downloaded.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

The files have all been updated on the opening thread and can be re-downloaded if you want although not really necessary.

Basically the only concern for me really is the map image file. I don't know enough about how the server, game, and .map files interact so I am recommending everyone who has already downloaded the map, simply rename the map image file (thats the big 7 meg .rgb file) by replacing the spaces with underscores "_". But you can just re-download it if you prefer.

Renaming the mod's .dm file will probably not be required, but if you want to be extra sure before the actual game starts, you can rename it as I mentioned (dropping the "old" off the end) or simply re-download the renamed version I have uploaded.

Immaculate, yes we are only using the BI version posted on the opening post of this thread (there are 3 flavors or variants of BI 2-1), the gold version is the one we are using. Though CBM was discussed as a possibility early on, we decided against it a long time ago (it seems). If CBM were being used you'd see it in the game thread name and I'd also have a link or copy of it on the opening post.

No sweat people, really. :cool: Grudge, don't you freak out on me. ;)

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

LOL, I just am computer challenged and I have to write myself directions just to get the nmaps and Mods in the right place.

This was like swatting a fly with an atom bomb for me!!

So your saying just reload the things on the first Page?

Do I need to delete anything oe will it just overwrite?:eek:

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Yes, you can just re-download the "things" :) on the first page. You'll need to delete the old files if you do. You could leave the old ones there if you think you don't know how to do that, probably won't hurt but you'll have duplicates.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

For those who have been following our saga since the beginning a few notes for those who may be interested in such largely inconsequential stuff:

A. I've decided not to bother changing the actual map image to reflect the sea province required by Formoria. It was actually easier for me (since I don't have an image editor that can edit .tga and .rgb files) to simply apply an appropriate province name to explain it. Pyg's generous offer not withstanding. :happy:

B. I decided against adding AI commands for all the human teams potentially allying them with the AI Menace team largely because I didn't feel like typing up the extra 64 or so ally commands that would be needed and wanted to get the game up and running. This of course really doesn't mean anything except that when/if a human team concedes (and is set to AI) it will in theory attack the AI team if still somehow present.

Ally commands have however been added for the AI team members of course and I have added 24 ally commands for each human team to ensure that in the event a human team concedes and each nation is turned AI, they will in theory still function as a team and won't attack each other.

As in any team game, turning individual nations AI within a team is not recommended if other nations are still being played by humans, hence your best bet is to bring in alternates or subs to take over. If an entire team concedes though (having nations still alive), that is when this theoretical AI stuff will come in to play.

Just FYI. Now I offer a prayer to the gods on behalf of my myself, all team members, and anyone else who has given of their time and effort to make this game a reality and a success:

:bow: Oh ye great gods of Dominions, we pray that Llama's server (and the game) will correctly process the AI's we've added and their shall be no problems, and we ask that you grant us favor in the upcoming battles and that you smite our enemies human and non-human alike. And light a fire under the arse of those who have yet to submit their pretenders so that we may begin soon. Amen. :angel

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

ACGHHS'ers - please check the email and the forums!
Lets get this cookie started!

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I haven't tested this, but the manual suggests that the #allies command only works for AI - AI relationships and will likely ignore the supposed truce with humans. As you say, it's best not to let individual members of a team go AI unless the whole team goes.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Exactly. These potential alliances will only take effect if/when the parties involved are controlled by the AI. That is our hope at least, for Gandalf has indicated that he believes there is only a 50% chance of it actually working correctly possibly due to the way the game processes the .map file. For instance if the game only processes the #allies commands in the .map file once, a newly AI'ed player may not be recognized as AI. Still it's better than nothing, we will see if it works. But in any event a team should go AI together, that much is fairly clear.

Deva's: Illuminated One, your set to go on your team's forum. An informed alternate is better than one who starts cold. I think for the next game in addition to a team adviser for every team, I will possibly add 4 slots for global alternates, who will be able to serve on any team without having privy info. Yes, I could do all alternates like that, but I think having dedicated team alternates gives them an advantage as opposed to going in cold, and encourages a team mentality, aside from the benefit of extra input.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I've created a poll on our team forums in the neutral (public access) area regarding possible team names/themes for future games. Anyone who'd like to vote (you needn't be in the game) or add a suggestion or idea please drop by and share your opinion:

http://noobsvets.silverforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38

Something to do while we wait for the server and the final four pretenders.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I propose a grand alliance against whichever team is the last to upload a pretender ;).

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Sounds good to me.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I propose a no attack policy for the first Nation that got there pretender in...(ahhhh, I think that be me!!)

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Gold star to Grudge and anyone else for early pretender submission. :you:

Oh, did I mention my cool poll on team names below? :feedback:

http://noobsvets.silverforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38

:cry:

Re: MP Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

So far 14 pretenders in, Llamaserver still apparently having issues, hopefully though it will be corrected and Hunt and Rabbit will be able to get their turns in. I do hope we haven't lost anyone, but I generally expect some attrition. Chris and Algae have you been in contact with them? I sent a reminder email out but no response yet from Hunt11 or Rabbit dynamite.

If we have issues regarding the AI with Llamaserver or the server is down for some time, remember there is always Gandalf's server.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I still haven't gotten a forum confirm or any correspondence from my minions, what's the deal?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I am not sure if Llama server is recieving me. Game name for the message name is "Noobs & Vets" correct?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Sept,

You Said "So far 14 pretenders in, Llamaserver still apparently having issues, hopefully though it will be corrected and Hunt and Rabbit will be able to get their turns in."

I hope you meant Pretenders because I haven't received turn 1 either and with all this stuff with llama going down, I am not sure I would have seen it anyway.

On another note, I am leaving town for Phoenix AR for my last tournament of th year (Thank God, its been a looooong year).

As dumb as I am about computers I DO have GOtomyPC and will be able to get my turns in. My fear is that with all the spamming ect my Comp could lock up (it did last tourney) and I can't reboot it.

Sooooooo, IF you see that I haven't got my turn in if we start before I get back (Sunday night LATE, please extend it as I will get it in FIRST thing Monday morning (I am CST...is that GMT-5).

Thanks!!!:up:

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

The moment llamerserver calms down again I will get my god in.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Noobs_and_Vets_AI_Menace

I found it on the Llamaserver page. Wish it was in this thread's first post too.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I am a noob and this looks interesting. Too bad it looks filled. Since it says it's a three-game series and assuming the next ones will be filled anew, I'd wanna play in the next one.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Micah, your all set to go on the team forums. You should be able to log in and post messages and so forth on your team forum. If you have any issues logging in let me know ASAP.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Tarrax, we can never get enough alternates, that's my motto. Even though our team alternate slots are filled, I will retain you as a global alternate (PM me your e-mail address) for now. If a regular team alternate slot opens I'll move you in to it and on that team, if not, you may have a chance to play as a sub when the game starts. Alternates have a guaranteed spot in the next game. Sound good?

Team captains:capt:, anyone need a new alternate?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

14 Pretenders (.2h files) in so far according to the Llamaserver game page. Grudge, your delay request for turn 1 is noted, best of luck to you.

Rabbit and Hunt, keep trying to get your pretenders in. If you have questions about submitting pretenders let someone know.
I think it may be wise for me to turn off auto start on the game, until I see that the issues with llamaserver have been fixed.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Thanks sept, I didn't get an email and my password autosave had my email instead of my username, so it wasn't logging me in and I thought it was due to a lack of confirmation, things are now sorted. I'd like to make sure I get to chat with my team about pretenders before we get underway though, so don't hurry the start too much, if you would, in case there's desire for tweaks.

On that note, please go check the team forum, my minions.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Sounds good, thanks. I'll PM you my e-mail now.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

LLamaserver has accepted my pretender now.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Llama has received my pretender.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I see 16 pretenders on Llamaserver. Looks like we're a go.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Yes, looks like the Llamaserver is functioning properly again. What would the community do without the likes of Llamabeast or Gandalf?
Let's roll and hope everything goes smoothly. Good luck. :):happy::D

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I've started the game, now I am waiting for it to show up in the running games list on the server.

Edit: Hmmm, nothing happening so far. A PM to Llama may be in order soon.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

"I'd like to make sure I get to chat with my team about pretenders before we get underway though, so don't hurry the start too much, if you would, in case there's desire for tweaks."

I just spent a couple of hours coming up with pretender builds...

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Whoa, thought you had gotten that accomplished. Hmm, perhaps in my zeal to get going I forgot that forum communication is not the fastest. Well, don't know what to tell ya now since I already pressed the button. But the game is not starting anyway right now, and I sent a PM to llama about it. Either he will reset the start or get the game running, or else we will all need to re-upload pretenders. I'll send another PM and see if it is possible to put the game back into waiting for pretenders mode. Sorry. I suspect something has gone wrong but we will see.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

The game has spontaneously decided it does not exist. Perhaps something happend to all games awaiting pretenders.

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

Well, that gives Micah time to overcoach his sinister proteges.

Can we get a PM blitz to the players telling them to resend pretenders, assuming that is required?

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I tried resending it, the game no longer exists. It is a mystery

Re: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI, Upload ye Pretenders!
 

I'm in Phoenix done with day 1 0f the Tourney.

I keep checking and keep getting the same response.

On this go to my PC thing on a small laptoI is a GIANT pain in the B*tt becaue its so slow and i am not used to not having a mouse.

I'll try and check back in Tomorrow late, But I honestly would just rather wait till its fixed and do this from home.

Don't give up on me...I WILL retu