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The R-73 OSA-AKM now replaces the SA-8b Gecko 11/124 as all those units have been upgraded to use the Vympel R-73 in RL
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If anyone sees any information on the time it takes to reload the new version of the Gecko, please let us know.
It was five minutes with the 9M33 https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1734100865 |
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AN/MSY2(v)2 (aka MADIS MK2) which is the dedicated C-UAS configuration featuring 360° #AESA radar, EO/IR, EW suite, & 30x113mm gun + two stinger missiles. I may have covered this earlier in the thread. IDK. |
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https://i.imgur.com/5ma6Oz8.png I have yet to confirm whether the Boxer AiTO30 sent to Ukraine do or do not have the Mells ATGM attachment. If they do they will be considerably nastier The AiTO30 is a brother to the RCT30 which can ( or not ) have that Mells ( spike) launcher attached so if it does the Icon will look like that, if not it won't have the launcher hanging on the left side of the turret https://armyrecognition.com/focus-an...russian-drones Quote:
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Brazil
087 Gepard A1 - according to Portuguese Wikipedia https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepard and Polish article from 2022, bought only in 4/13 and delivered by 7/13 (now 1/05), similarly German Wikipedia. Seems, that the designation Gepard 1A2 was not changed. No formation change needed. 109 Igla Team - according to https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...-tass-50502161, Brazil ordered ordinary Igla in 1994 (I don't know when delivered, might be 1998 like this unit), but better Igla-S (like this weapon) only from 2010. According to Wikipedia, Igla-S was produced only from 2004. 110 RBS-70 Team - bought only in mid-2014 (now 1/90) - https://web.archive.org/web/20140307...m_0403141.html and the mentioned article. However, it should be RBS-70 Mk2 (better one, from Swedish oob) Needs formation change (the earliest is 111 - Mistral Team - Available 06/096) In 2019 Brazil bought also RBS-70NG, presumably better, but there is no corresponding weapon in Swedish oob. (Mistral is used by Brasilian naval infantry only) |
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Serbia
In 6/24 Serbia showed Chinese HQ-17AE SP-SAM. Might be generally copied from Chinese unit 587 HQ-17 Tor-M1, but modified with a wheeled chassis (80 km/h). The icon IMO can do as a wheeled vehicle as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-17 https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...issile-systems From mid-2020 Serbia uses also Russian Pantsyr-S1 (as Pancir-S1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir_missile_system From mid-2022 Serbia also uses Chinese FK-3 (HQ-22) area SAM, but we haven't an equivalent in Chinese OOB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-22 BTW: I think, that in Chinese oob, 590 - SA-2/HQ-1 SAM 591 - HQ-2 SAM 592 - HQ-2A SAM 741 - HQ-2B SAM - should have typical 4548 launcher icon of Soviet SA-2 |
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Just a little teaser
We have the first steps done getting code in to better simulate the new SP arty units with GPS targeting that can fire, move and fire again at the same target and do it quickly and accuratly , from what I have read, a good simulation of the capabilties of the RL units. There is still more tweaking to do but right now with a fire mission called by a GPS capable FO and a GPS capable arty unit it will be a game-changer... |
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That's great, "Shoot and Scoot" but that's a lot of artillery units.
Patch by the Fall or LATER-THAT'S FINE BY ME. LET'S TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THESE GUYS SO THEY CAN COME UP FOR AIR ONCE IN AWHILE FOR AWHILE. LIFES SHORT. WE KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN THIS COMING AS HINTS HAVE BEEN DROPPED; I'M SENSING A MAJOR SOFEWARE/PROGRAMING JOB IN THE WORKS. THIS WILL BE PROBALY ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT PATCH SINCE THE CONVERSION TO WINDOWS. SO, I SAY, "SUCK IT UP" UNTIL MAGICALLY THE PATCH APPEARS. AS SOME HAVE DONE DON'T ASK FOR WHEN. REFER TO THE ABOVE SENTENCE. ANYWAY, THANK YOU ANDY AND DON!!!! GO OUTSIDE HAVE A NICE WALK TAKE IN SOME FRESH AIR AND WHO KNOWS YOU MIGHT WANT TO "HUG A TREE" OR SOMETHING! :D WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON OR LATER. ;) I FEEL BETTER ALREADY MYSELF GETTING THAT OFF MY CHEST. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Since we touched Chinese SAMs, minor tweaks:
593 HQ-61A SAM - there should be 2 missiles instead of 1 (as lbm shows). I'd give it an icon 8633 (similar truck with 4 AIM-7-size rockets) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-6 (Wikipedia calls it HQ-61 without A. On the other hand, Polish article from 2012 calls it HQ-61B. Given the Chinese secrecy, maybe HQ-61 is the safest) Reportedly, acording to the article, tested in 1989, but given to the army in "late 1990s" only, and first shown on 1999 parade. Maybe mid-90s is the safe date? 518 Hong Qi 16 - I suggest to rename it HQ-16, to be consistent with the rest 589 FM-80 - according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-7 it is HQ-7, while FM-80 is export version. Maybe a better icon is 842 used for Crotale (HQ-7 is a Crotale copy, first Chinese launcher was on a trailer) I think I won't go farther in Chinese SAMs - I have several articles, but they have plenty, and the information, especially dates and actual service, are worse then scarse. |
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https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieu...-kanonsystemen
The Netherlands is buying 22 Skyranger 30 mobile anti-drone systems on the G5 ASCV chassis from FFG, with delivery by 2028. https://i.imgur.com/2ihOVD6.jpeg |
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Portugal
050 M48A2 Chaparral - according to Polish 2024 article on Portuguese army, withdrawn by the end of 2010s (2019?), leaving Portugal without SP-SAM. (also https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...ch-rapidranger ) |
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Slovakia
046 152mm Field Gun 048 152mm Battery - D-20 howitzer - English, Russian nor Czech Wikipedias don't list Czechoslovakia nor Slovakia among its users, and Slovak Wikipedia doesn't mention its usage. IMO it should be deleted as a field gun, while unit 048 152mm Battery should have picture changed to Dana: 23700 (no formation changes needed, since 122 mm field gun remains) 039 ZTS Dana - it carried up to 60 shells (as in Czech and Polish OOB). Weapon could be renamed eg. to 152mm M77 FH like in Czech oob. Range is too big (214) - it should be 210 like in Polish OOB - max. range was 20 km = 210 (214 is apparently taken from D-20 firing rocket shells - 24 km). ZTS is a manufacturer, it could be just Dana, or ShKH Dana (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShKH_vz._77 ) Same remarks for Dana range in Czech oob (weapon #111) and Ukrainian oob (#111) Czech Wikipedia confirms only 20 000 m range, although after 2010 new 25-km ammunition was developed, but I don't know if it was bought. 040 Zuzana - in Zuzana the ammunition was reduced to 40 (eg Slovak Wikipedia https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/155_mm...z._2000_Zuzana ). Weapon's range is only 215, should be 39 km = 229. 043 Himalaya - it remained an export proposal on T-72 chassis. However, Zuzana 2 on a wheeled chassis was adopted, with L/52 gun replacing L/45 and range increased to 41 km (231). Delivered from 7/21. It had a different cab, Ukrainian lbm 4729 can be used. (Slovak sites: https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/155_mm...fnica_Zuzana_2 https://www.mosr.sk/49792-sk/-delost...nice-zuzana-2/ ) Ukrainian OOB: 175 155mm Zuzana Pl and 814 Zuzana is actually Zuzana 2, and its weapon should have range 231 (now 215), and ammo reduced to 40. The weapon is shared with 2S22 Bohdana L/52 with 42 km range (it could remain the same, or a new one with range 232 could be created) |
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Here to help (Maybe)...
PORTUGAL/M48A2 CHAPERRAL/UNIT 050/CHANGE/NAME/M48A2 CHAPERRAL-RISE/MISSILE RANGE/DR 9KM ALT 4KM MIM-72J IF NEEDED/END/DEC 2018. // Portugal also operated four M48A3 CHAPERRAL Systems primarily added non-game NBC and minor updates. For the record only all were converted to the M48A3 standard. Missile data included (RANGE verified by refs included plus others not. The missile timeline MORE than supports this. Just in case that has to be adjusted as they didn't get them until 1990 and they got the latest export version across the board. Also, below verified from Portuguese military site I'm not posting for reasons that I'm getting pictures of "pretty girls" or when I click on an item, I'm sent to the RAID game site (Name is Combat Armament-Blog.). Last updated in 2010. Apparently also a couple of sites are indicating they have 24 of the original units in storage (Maybe-Me. ) However, I did get the following worthwhile item: "The "COMMANDO" does not die...he regroups in Hell" which is more than I can say about the site. Anyway... https://weaponsystems.net/system/759-M48%20Chaparral (See Launch Vehicle Section bottom.) https://weaponsystems.net/system/760-MIM-72%20Chaparra (MIM-72J export based on above selected MIM-72G.) https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/US/M48-Chaparral.php So where do they go from here? That might still be a "maybe" but will track. I can tell you for certain the following will have an OTH capability with full 360-degree coverage plus IRST System plus more. The launch platform used went into production in 2020 the first deliveries made it looks like in late 2020 to very early 2021. Made in Spain for the Spanish Army plus others. Spain will be fully equipped with these vehicles later this year. I speak of the VAMTAC S3/ST5. Portugal has just signed a contract for a small number of the VAMPAC ST5 with the French THALES RapidRanger AAM System (You will note in the video that Maylasia already has them operational.) https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ch-rapidranger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4kySg554FU https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/***...ecfbe7931ea627 https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/marke...ce/rapidranger https://images.thalesgroup-events.co...&utm_campaign= (Hope this opens up. And if anyone asks, I'm a Military Analyst. Had to do some "tactical subterfuge" to get the last. ;) :D Maylasia and as yet unknown others will need further investigation but Maylasia for sure and if I had to make a guess somewhere mid 2023/early 2024. Any takers!?! :cool: Baked in with the best refs possible!?! (Time to get a little "cocky" our annual (And published.) two weeks in Hell is just over the horizon and the following month as we were the best Security Team in the region last year, the powers to be from a land far, far away have decided because of that, they want to see us repeat or worse (Supposed to occur only about every 3 three years if picked.) So... "The "COMMANDO/or the Security Officer" does not die...he regroups in Hell" Slight variation but the rest assured it can feel like it. Q&A on situational awareness issues/responses, procedures, general orders (Just like you learned in "Boot Camp".) and more I can't go into. And of course, "DRILL BABY DRILL" and when you think you're done for the day, be careful when they get back from dinner. I'll leave it to your imagination. After these are over only 2 left for the first and hopefully maybe only one or none of the latter. Not to worry as "John Q Public" will know what we're doing about access etc. April 2027 not working while in May/June I'll be burning the last of my leave and celebrating my 68th in June fully retired with 43 years served with the Dept. of the Navy plus another 15 years as a public working citizen before that. Proud to have served but, ready to call it a day the closer I get. :D Regards, Pat :capt: EDIT: Changed spelling TORD UNIT 50/"CHANGE"/NAME/ in the submission. |
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Good Morning! And YES. A record! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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For all the years you have posted and played this game I would hae thought by now that you would know the max number of letters, numbers or spaces for a unit name is 15 and what you told me to change the name to is 20 ............ so from here on before you hit send make sure what you are asking for is actually possible.......OK? |
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I have a project for anyone who wants it as I am already busy x2
Find me the names of the systems and nations that have them for of all the modern artillery systems that can utilise GPS for precision targeting RCH 155 is already covered but I believe there are others and/or others in the pipeline . I belive the M777 would also qualify but there must be others I just have too many other things to do ATM Related article but I have not had time to read it through https://euro-sd.com/2024/03/articles...-armed-forces/ |
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I've heard only about Excalibur.
I'm sure you know it, but Wikipedia says, that self-propelled guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M109A6 Paladin and M109A7, British AS-90, German PzH 2000, South African G6, Swedish Archer and French Caesar. Towed guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M198 and M777 howitzers. Also Ukrainians used Excalibur with Krab. Current operators: Australia, Canada, Jordan, India, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine (M777 and Krab and possibly others), and of course USA. Future or pending operators: Norway, Germany, Denmark. |
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Pibwl is on the right his list is good. I have to get in the shower!
The "short cut" is with the GPS EQUIPPED SHELLS/MISSILES and Rockets. You CANNOT EFFECTIVLY fire a GPS ANYTHING because it has to know WHERE IT IS TO KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING. SO, RECOMMEND FIND THE AMMO AND YOU'LL FIND THE "LAUNCHERS". bUT THIS IS A "CAUTIONARY" TALE AS SOME POORER COUNTRIES WON'T HAVE THE AMMO OR EQUIPPED GPS UNITS THAT OTHERS DO. sORRY FOR MESS! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Artillery range annomalies.
As I understand, range 10 km = 200, and a surplus is added to 200 (eg. 2S1 Gvozdika: 15 km = 205, 2S19 Msta: 29 km = 219, M109A1: 23.5 km RAP = 214, M109A6: 30 km RAP = 220) Krab: 40 km = should be 230 (Polish oob weapon #207 155mm L/52 and Ukrainian #115 oob is only 220) K9: 41 km = should be 231 (S.Korean oob #124 155/52 FH is only 220; same for Finland #141 and probably whoever uses it) (BTW: name of Korean unit 045 K-9 should be K9, for a consistency, and usually written this way) PzH 2000: at least 40 km = 230 (or 54 km w/RAP = 244) (German #112 155mm FH155-1 is only 215 - but it shares weapon with L/36 FH155-1, which has range only 30.1 km w/RAP according to German Wikipedia - which should be 221 anyway) Same for Ukrainian #112, Hungarian #113, Greek #93 (used only by PzH2000), Netherlands #112 (shared with FH-70 and M-109). Italian #144 is correct. M109A1 + in British OOB: weapon #110 155mm M198 GH is 220, while it should be max 214 with RAP (23.5 km) (if they use RAP). AS90 in Ukrainian OOB: weapon #141 has range 220, while it should be 24.7 km = 215. It shares weapon with FH-70, which should have the same range 24.7km actually (30.1 km only w/RAP) In British OOB AS90 has correct range 215. |
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Russia
345 2S35 Koalitsiya - surely it's not used since 8/18, and it should have radio x3 as for now. Its real operational status and number is unknown, and the Russians didn't boast of its eventual service on Ukrainian front. Reportedly in 6/20 eight howitzers were handed to experimental military operation. According to Russian Wikipedia [url]https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A135[/url,] in 8/23 a factory director reported, that the production had started, and state trials would be completed by end of 2023. Finally, on 5 January 2024(!) TASS agency informed, that Russian army received first Koalitsya-SV https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19677215 Ordinary range is given on Russian Wikipedia as 40 km, and 70 km only with a corrected ammo. This is BTW another case of GPS/Glonass corrected ammo, but I don't know what is its status. The Russians of course brag as usual, that Koalitsya with its range of 70 or 80 km "has no analogues in the world", but I'd guess, that a long-range precise ammo would be a rarity (provided that it reached production status...). 854 2S43 Malva - now used from 12/22. According to Russian Wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A143, with a given source, on 26 October 2023 first series vehicles were given to the army. It gives range only 24.5 km = 215, or 40 km with RAP according to https://iz.ru/1595380/2023-10-26/voe...stanovki-malva while now it has a super cannon of Koalitsya with 255 range (it basically has the same 2A88 cannon). |
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Sounds like this is now a "Dead Project" but, for me I just found the website I've been missing for the last couple of years. Don knows for many years I had include this sites information for just about every submission I made.
The research was very good, and the equipment data was as well. Then the war came along in 2024, and it seemly died with it. You wanted country listing it had it in alphabetical order based on everything that's in our world. I got it to open up its working on my PC. I simply changed my "search plan" to get it and it worked, so I hope it will work in here, which I'll test when I finish this post. Where I found it from the UK https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thr...om-gone.44256/ (29 Jan 2025 entry bottom. I believe I accidently came across this site a few years back related to their sites main objective.) The site... https://web.archive.org/web/20240808...tarytoday.com/ Artillery Section... https://web.archive.org/web/20240405.../artillery.htm (Scroll all the way down to better appreciate the work they did and how deeply they covered each section. by equipment type.) Couple of random selected individual systems... https://web.archive.org/web/20240321.../jupiter_5.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240522...illery/agm.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...lery/m1992.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20230821...lery/t5_52.htm Field Guns and Howitzers... https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...ery/trajan.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...777_portee.htm SPAA... https://web.archive.org/web/20240324...y/otomatic.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...y/marksman.htm Fire Support/Tank Destroyers... https://web.archive.org/web/20240117..._IIIc_df90.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20230815...illery/mcv.htm (One of the last I got from here the picture might look familiar to some.) MLRS... https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...astros_iii.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...lery/naiza.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240204...ery/rt2000.htm Mortars Carriers/SPM... https://web.archive.org/web/20231126...l_2_mortar.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240204...lery/m1287.htm Guided Artillery Shells... https://web.archive.org/web/20240522.../smart_155.htm (Similar to French Bonus round.) https://web.archive.org/web/20240315.../krasnopol.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20231204.../santimetr.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240420..._excalibur.htm (This was a newer area a couple of years at most before going dark.) These contributors pretty much were volunteers from many countries especially from inside Russia. Very rarely did I have issues corroborating they're data against my other references I regularly use to this day. It at the least was my starting point most of the time once I felt comfortable with their data and fact checking. Many times, it was the "middle word" and also the "final word" but it always provided the foundation to build upon and pointed me in the right direction to further look into a piece of equipment. I HOPE THIS WORKS If for no one else than for me at least. I have detected that this equipment and the others on this site were manually archived be they shut down to save it somewhere safe. Rumors at the time suggested the Ukrainian Govt. shut them down for Security reasons. Other say like KBMW they were targeted as well due to their Russian sources. I would like to think it was a little of the first and more that they joined the fight to save their country. They were young trying to make a living and I hope when this is done that they'll be back "live" again. EDIT: TESTED ALL SAT/HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT THIS? WELL.../MERRY F-ing Christmas! /HOW DOES CINCLANTHOME FEEL ABOUT THIS AS I JUST RECIEVED A VISITATION AT OPPS 0350-WELL SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS RIDICULES!! :eek: Earlier day later I need to get my "6" (Maybe in more ways than one now after the visit.)!! :doh: Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Whether the following has any game impact or not is to be seen.
First half on truck mounted NASAMS in Ukraine. Latter half is on where the USA is going in their system. "According to Colonel Per Steinar Trøite, head of the Norwegian Air Force’s support department for Ukraine, the NASAMS systems deployed to Ukraine have achieved an outstanding 94 percent effectiveness rate, a figure that highlights the advanced capabilities of this air defense system in real-world combat. In an interview with Aftenposten, Norway's largest daily newspaper, Colonel Trøite detailed the significant impact of NASAMS, revealing that it has successfully intercepted over 900 cruise missiles and drones, with more than 60 percent of these targets being cruise missiles, which are notoriously difficult to defend against." In today's world that is a very impressive success rate at having a 94% kill rate. That includes also 300+ drones. To defeat that many cruise missiles equipped with minimal EW is excellent. Radar can pick up and track multiple targets out to 75 miles. "The system’s missile engagement can be executed at varying ranges depending on the type of target. For example, while the AIM-120 missile has an effective range of up to 180 kilometers against some targets, NASAMS typically engages threats at a closer range—often between 25 to 50 kilometers—to maximize interception accuracy and minimize the risk of a missile getting through. " In the field even we use them mounted on trucks (OSHKOSH FMTV 6x6.). The USA will be fielding them in 2025/26. They were also fielded with HIMARS launchers already. https://www.army.mil/article/145021/...ncher_program/ (The MML has since been replaced under another program. Also, in parallel an autonomous system is also being developed currently as well, also truck mounted with "chopped off" cab design.) They as pictured are also used for "static" defense of Strategic assets such as airfields etc. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ess-in-ukraine Regards, Pat :capt: |
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