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I resemble that remark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The current turn is delayed by 24 hours. Good luck to all in the coming conflict.

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Can someone more in the know provide me with information on Utgards position in this game? Hopefully I can get a replacement provided their stance is still good.

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It would seem they have one fort that'sunder siege and around 100 troops defending...That's it. Probably the capital.

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Utgard has 1 province, his capital and his pretender died 2 turns ago. He still has some nasty troops in his capital.

I go to war against Arco this turn and am already fighting TC.

Thus I am just containing him for the present. Hoping for a DOM kill at some stage I guess.

I am the one surrounding him with my 73 provinces and all that goes along with that. His 1 province against my 73 suggests that his stance is not good.

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And the dagger goes to......

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And here I thought you guys were going to be allies till the end. Though I had noticed you guys "trading" provinces a long while back. Figured then things between you guys were rocky. Thanks for the info.

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Its been interesting. Going way back I had no set plan to attack anyone, including the "screaming Yomi"...just waiting to see what happened.

Then Yellow (Mictlan) invaded a province belonging to Utgard so I attacked Yellow as Utgard was already involved in fighting Yomi. However it seems Yellow and utgard were partners just trading provinces.

So after 2 or 3 battle losses against Yellows blessed troops i came to the next party with a ton on mages and beat Yellow back. Then Utgard gave notice on our NAP and we have been fighting it out for some time.

I did assault his castle some time back, but he beat me. Thus I have left it, though he is far weaker now than that first attempt.

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Caelum, you're an honorless flying monkey. Our NAP was supposed to end on turn 70, not 71.

We knew your people were a cowardly, diabolical lot, but apparently they can't count either.

Know this: I Am the Walrus foresaw your evil treachery over fifty turns ago, so you're "surprise" attack was no surprise at all but rather an elaborate intelligence gathering mission orchestrated by us, but in reverse. We know. The minds of mere bird-brains can't comprehend the vast and unstoppable forces they have unwittingly unleashed against themselves -- although we can sense your fear.

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Make that turn 71 not turn 70.

Anyway, prepare to face my wrath!

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My appologies...I fully believed that orders could be given on turn 69 and hostilities on turn 70...as per my post above stating that war was beginning next turn.

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This is your PM message to me, stating that war begins on turn 70.

It was sent during turn 67, thus 67, 68 and 69 is 3 turns notice and fighting to begin on turn 70.

Our good friends in T'ien Chi have informed us of your merciless aerial invasion against their peace-loving citizens and plan to put them under the yoke of your fascist regime. We know that if we sit idly by that we'll be next on your ruthless plans of subjugation, so it's with a heavy heart that we give you notice of the termination of our non-aggression pact. In three turns (turn 70) our peace-keeping forces will be free to engage your marauders.

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No need to apologize. I just felt like ranting and though it would be fun RP :) As far as I'm concerned anyone who breaks a NAP, i.e., me, are entitled to getting their teeth kicked in before the deadline -- especially in the late game.

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If it's turn 67, then you I would think we would send attacks on 70 to hit on 71

This is how I think it would look:

NAP-0 (no agreement) attacks are sent immediately on turn 67 to hit on 68
NAP-1 (1-turn notice) attacks are sent on turn 68 to hit on 69
NAP-2 (2-turn notice) attacks are sent on turn 69 to hit on 70
NAP-3 (3-turn notice) attacks are sent on turn 70 to hit on 71

As I mentioned before, I'm totally cool with this since I think it was stated in the beginning that NAPs are not binding, and I think it's reasonable to hit the NAP breaker (everyone has different views on NAPs but I think breaking a NAP is an inherently hostile action). Also, my message wasn't real specific so I can see how you would think we would go on turn 70.

Anyway, you didn't do very much damage to me this turn -- and now I know what kind of forces I'll be fighting against. Muahahahah.

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I don't need a 24-hour extension anymore.

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Hi Rev, yeah mate, I knew you weren't having a go at me, but more roleplaying.

It was an unfortunate misunderstanding as I do like to keep my agreements.

War has BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Very sad to see AoE break his NAP with me...means he doesn't get one with me again, which obviously doesn't concern him too much. Interest of to those of you who have a NAP with him in this or another game though.

Current state of play.

provinces gold gems army

Man 29 2634 32 1150
TC 58 4717 117 3062
Arco 68 6739 144 4371

155 14,070 293 8583

Caleum 63 7,040 177 6357
Bogarus 14 1,303 25 703
Agartha 7 636 11 788

84 8,979 213 7,848

Given Arcos, (and no doubt TC's) master enslave, I lost 300 troops and 20 commander, with 185 defecting to Acros side, its an uphill (substitute - forgone conclusion) battle for the lower team. I don't get to late games much and would like to try some things to battle Master Enslave, as i have never encountered it before.

However I can't justify the two hours plus it takes to do my turns given the hopelessness of the situation.

I am more than happy to do quick turns but thats about it. Am happy to be replaced if others would rather see someone spend more time to delay Caleums eventual demise by 5 to 6 tuns.

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My bad...I forgot to add Utgards small contribution to team 1.

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According to my records I had sent a request for an NAP to you but never received a reply. It takes two-way communication to make such agreements. If my notes are wrong then please forgive me. I'll review my PMs again I suppose.

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Interesting. The web site isn't suppose to be supplying you or anyone else with this information because the graphs are set to off. I'm going to have to message llamabeast about this.

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I can't find it either, but I can't the one with Rev either, but I know I had NAPs with both of you.

I'll accept that you believed you acted in a correct manner.

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According to my notes I didn't even request an NAP. I only have a note that indicates you might be attacking Jomon (turn 21), and a note about your announcement that the chalice had been stolen (turn 57).

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Yeah, my oldest PMs are well into the game as well, long after I had first contacted you, Rev etc....

I know we had a NAP, but as I already stated above, I accept you acted in the full belief we didn't. Thus I am cool with that.

Can't undo what can't be undone. Fight on.

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You are far from beaten in this game. You have a load of gem income, a ton of SCs, and a hugely powerful army. Admittedly, you're facing a bit of adversity at the moment, but this game has a long way to go still and is becoming ever more chaotic. If you stick it out and play for the long-term, I think you'll be able to capitolize on some future opportunity pretty easily.

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Mmm...

Could be interesting. Depends on if it's fun though.

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Rev....reality check mate. I have played enough of these games to know how this one plays out.

Yes I do have a huge gem income, my opponents have an even bigger income.
Yes I do have a ton of SC's, my opponents have just as many and can outproduce me.
Yes I have a hugely powerful army..my opponents armies are even more hugely powerful.
You forgot to mention i have some nice late game spells...but my opponents have even more powerful spells.

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i'm not in this game but HoleyDooley you're being a textbook 'wanker', put some effort into the goddamn game for longer before you quit. thanks

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Heheh....Drama!

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You know....Dominions is a unique experience. I'm an inconsistant, mid-level player, so don't take my opinion too seriously.

When I start a game, wars happen. In the middle of the game...wars happen. In the end of the game...I know when the wars are fun and when they are just work.

HD simmed the early game of Prime Cupcakes. Then he took out a neighbor. We're at around turn 70 and he doesn't feel confident about the future.

Don't brow beat the man. He's played every turn. Go pick on someone less active!

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Nobody should be made to feel as though they must commit large amounts of time or have to play to their fullest, especially when the game gets demanding. You may disagree because it skews your opinion of the game balance, but its still a game. We come here to have fun.

HoleyDooley is struggling with the odds being stacked against him, which is actually harder to battle because certain statistics are apparently a known factor. There are multiple armies and combatants coming in from multiple angles and thinking with multiple minds. I'm fighting two other nations at the same time in another game, and though I'm larger then both combined, its very time consuming to hash out a plan that doesn't leave me second guessing my moves five minutes later. Even without the second guessing it takes time. A substantial amount of time in fact.

I don't need my players being hounded about their legitimate concerns, especially by those who have no vested interest in the game.

I'm adding 12 hours to the turn cycle to give our players with vast armies (and vast opposition) more time. Please let me know if 60 hours is not enough or if particular turns need more time.

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Oh, and before I forget (again). Ashix has said that if there is any nation that needs a sub then they would want to stand in. This way they can learn more from seeing how other people play their nations. Its a good idea, in my opinion, for a new players in general.

That said, they subbed for Utgard a turn or so ago and I failed to announce the changeover. My bad.

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Thanks for adding more time to the clock; my mind was about ready to explode with all craziness over the past couple of turns.

Can we add another 5-hours to the clock? I can only take my turns in the depths of the night in Pacific time, and this will effectively give me another day to scheme properly.

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The turn has been postponed by 5 hours as requested by Rev.

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I agree with what AoE said about the difficulty of committing to the endgame. I'm in another game (Smiting_Season) as Marignon. I'm very big... I don't have the most provinces, but my armies are huge, full of quality troops, and backed by vast numbers of mages. I have control of all 4 globals currently up, including Arcane Nexus. I'm under attack by Gath and Patala, both of whom are also huge, with huge (though largely inferior) armies. It's turn 84. I've managed to take about 2 turns in the last 3 weeks or so because the amount of time it takes to deal with everything going on is tremendous. The same can be said for the mental energy it takes to script that many mages, deal with that many SCs, and counter that many armies. It's also demoralizing because I'm falling slowly to attrition- I just can't protect as many provinces as I have from as many armies as I'm being attacked with.

I really want to be more active in the game, but I understand where HD is coming from- this game is one of the best I've ever played, ever... but at some point the endgame does become more work than fun.

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Attack Large Monsters. I should have seen that coming.

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I´ll be on vacation until the 22nd. However Agartha is defeated already,
so please continue. I´ve given all orders for the next turns.

Cheers, Klaus

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Before I forget again. Pythium bit the dust finally. Who did it?

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I think Pythium is still hanging in there, although he's not long for this world.

Any chance I can get a 24-hour extension? I'm out of town this week and won't be back to take a turn until the weekend.

Thanks,

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24 hour extension granted.

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I've got a lot going on with holiday time here... my turn is almost done, but I'm going to need another 24 hours. Requesting an extension, please.

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Groundworm, I just noticed. That was kinda close. Extension granted.

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Can you delay 36 hours for Christmas please?

Thanks!

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Sure. In observance of the holidays there shall be a postponement.

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I've updated the original post so that Ermor is listed as AI, and Argatha as Defeated. I've had my eye on that region the whole time and I believe Tien Chi would get the credit for Argatha's demise?

As for Ermor, its tough. Ermor was at war with Tien Chi the longest and I know they made great advances in cutting down the early hordes. Yet it was Atlantis who closed the deal with many epic battles, including the back-and-forth conflict for Ermor's capitol.

I'll have to see what Unoptimized thinks.

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Thank you for the extensions, AoE.

Yes, I was primarily responsible for Agartha's demise (though, in my defense, I was not the initial aggressor). As for Ermor, I'm not really sure who to give credit to. I did fight with him for a long time, but I'm not sure I would have won without the help of Atlantis. They made many major contributions and, as you said, were ultimately responsible for taking Ermor's capital in a large and nasty battle (that, again, I'm not sure I would have won myself).

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Can I get a 12-hour extension?

I'd also like to request that we change the hosting to 72-hours from 60-hours moving forward because these turns are becoming rather complex and I suspect it will remain this way until the end.

An end that's probably a very long ways out because with nearly 300 territories and some very well armed nations I don't see this ending any time soon. However, no complaints since I'm really digging this match.

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No problems. I'll add the extension and move us to 72 hours. Meaning this turn will be 84 hours long, but since its the new year, it totally makes sense.

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This has indeed become one of those longer games. I can't say that any of the remaining players, Utgard being an exception, could be defeated in just a few rounds. The fact that some of the more powerful nations have to divide their efforts on multiple fronts has not made their job any easier.

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Mictlan went AI.

Kudos to YellowCactus for hanging in there as long as he did even though his position had been hopeless for many many turns. He was one scary dude in the beginning of the game with a crazy bless, but I think he grew too fast too quickly, and didn't have a chance to develop enough counters to what everyone threw his way.

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I'd love to hear a bit about everyone's strategy and a brief synopsis about how things went in the game after this game is done. With a game this epic, I'd think there are some interesting stories to be told.