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move asmala up.... Tesco surrenders 5.5

I await my next game...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Naw DUC's suck. I'd suggest you skip all military research and go for those empire building techs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

PS ARRRGGGG Meeting on turn 3 sucks!

DavidG (aka Kazarp)

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heh, I think you may be right. At this rate, he may die of old age before someone gets a crack at him.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea and you know he's getting rusty from lack of practice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Should be easy pickings. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ha! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif DavidG, I had no idea it was you...

Darnit you are right. It feels like every freaking decision is crucial. If you were on the other side of the galaxy like you were supposed to be, I could afford a few mistakes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Well, the good news is that most likely one of us is going to knock the cobwebs off of Preacherman... Hate to wake him up from his nap and all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ha! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif DavidG, I had no idea it was you...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehe Yea I keep meaning to change one of my names so they are both the same. At the time I joined it didn't seem to matter plus I never figured I'd still be into the game a year later. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the nice game Tesco. I think the none atmosphere wasn't the best choise for that game. Of course there is moons but I found one large breathable planet two systems away from my home system and it's worth many moons.

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Well our game has turned into a nailbiting game of cat and mouse.

I actually managed to establish a postion on a warp point in DavidG's home system, and hold it for several turns. A minelayer was scurrying feverishly to build up mines on the point. I knew he would counter with sweepers to take back the point...
One turn, I forgot to build mines on the source planet, so my minelayer had to sit and wait. I'll be darned if he did not sweep the point with exactly enough sweeping components. Curses! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif
And I moved the ship I had defending the point to "gun" for his homeworld (I had to test my luck... But he was smart enough to lay mines). Should have kept it there.

A costly turn of events on my part, and a good gamble on his.
He now owns the point, and I lost a serious advantage... back to the guessing game.

He also did a nice job keeping me out of a system: again I gambled that he would not get a warship there to kill the colony so quickly... OOF! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Oh, hey. I missed the surender by Tesco somehow. I guess he and I face off next. Nice. I still owe him a beating from a non-koth game a few weeks ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Congrats Asmala. Looks like the top's getting a bit crowded now.

Geoschmo

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My scouts found Nodachi’s home worlds very early in the game, but lacked supplies for any kind of attack. A little later a small fleet of his bumped into some of my pickets at a warp point. Sucks to jump into a group of ships at a warp point. Now I guess we have both changed tactics and are waiting to spring the next surprise on each other.

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Thanks for the nice game Tesco. I think the none atmosphere wasn't the best choise for that game. Of course there is moons but I found one large breathable planet two systems away from my home system and it's worth many moons.

Ha Ha....

Last 2 games I was in the None would have rocked.... Tesco start I guess... And the only good none world was in your home system http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ha Ha

Good game... I still had many small planets by why drag it out... Have fun next game...

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I have gone down in hard defeat once again. Thanks to Primitive for a well-played game. I was out-researched and likely out-colonized almost from the start, my being out-fought was a given. There was a little give and take, but very little. I did most of the giving up and he did most of the taking, especially from kicking my butt repeatedly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Funny difference in this game was that I still had pretty good production and research going, but the game had been over for a while. I am grateful Primitive was amenable to smearing me just a little longer so I could see how some things played.

I wish him well on the next step up, and I look forward to seeing who I will face next!

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Kudos to Cheeze for a well fought game. I went with the traditional clone setup, he had the guts to do something different. Our Galaxy was split in two roughly equal parts with one single warp-point connecting them (+ a backdoor through a black hole system), with both of us having our home-planet just one system away (from the warp-point). I was lucky and won the first battles for that warp-point and managed to establish myself within his part of the galaxy. Learned a lot from this game, especially those final battles (thanks Cheeze http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

Looking forward to my next game as well.

primitive

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Update on Gandalph vs Rambie;
We have just finished turn 49. His Homeworld is no more. He has 1 other planet in his Home system, but I now have 2 and 1 one the way. My scouts have discovered another 2 planets in another system adjacent, but nothing other than that at this time. He is definitely a die hard and is countering my attacks with WP's quite effectively, however, as I can now build ships faster than I lose them, it's only a matter of time.

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So I was tweaking my empire for my upcoming game against Tesco. I started with the empire from my Last game agaisnt Stonemill. And i realized that in that game I didn't use all the racial points. I had a 0 racial point empire going against a Stonemill's 2000 point empire. DOH! I am such an idiot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That sucks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif If we ever meet on the Hill sometiem Geo, make sure you make the same mistake! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why don't you save that empire for our next game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I might do a little better then.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that is an example of what your personal quote is about...

I also encourage other players to please do the same as Geo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Kazarp (DavidG) vs. Stone Mill:

It is never a good thing to have a big fleet of enemy ships pounding your homeworld. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

DavidG certainly had me in a very bad position; annoyingly used mines (or the threat of mines) against me and continued to control key positions. He expolited the fact I was very late in researching mines 2; it is tough to counterattack when you don't have enough sweepers.

So I pull back the fleet guarding the warp point in my home system for training. Almost on cue, he came through soon after with a fat fleet and cleared my minefield. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif The sad thing was that I could not readily counter attack and risk being baited into a fresh minefield. I knew it would take him at least 2 turns to reach the homeworld, so I patiently waited, knowing he could have his way with all the planets in the system.
On the second turn he fragged a great planet, and moved into striking range. I guessed that he could not resist gunning for my homeworld; so I moved my fleet there for defense.

At this point in the game, things looked grim. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif But I guessed right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (for once); my fleet routed his ships over my homeworld. My home planet took a pounding, but survived. A painful result was that he destroyed my Space Port, which sent my economy crashing. I halted my empire's production for a few turns to build a new one; all the minesweepers needed for a counterattack sat in queue and waited. Unfortunately, this gave him valuable turns to generate a defense fleet.
I finally got things together and plowed through. He generated a surprisingly big fleet at the warp point, but they were no match.

What a relief. I was really sweating.

As it stands now, a bell is tolling in his home system. And do not ask for whom the bell tolls...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh great. Should I bother to load my turn now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Edit -> Did you review that combat Stone Mill? If you can figure out why the F%&k my ships chose the targets they did I would love to know about it. The all had Point Blank Orders with targeting priorites "Has Weapons, Most Damaged, Strongest, Nearest" yet for some reason all my ships targeted those that were far away even though there was a ship right next it with weapons.
If I don't figure out this tac combat thing soon this game is going to lose it's appeal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ February 21, 2003, 22:32: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ding Ding. I have nothing to stop you. I surrender. Now go wake up Preacherman. :-)

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Thank you for the game DavidG. I would say you played a seriously good game. As I mentioned earlier, you gave me much to worry about.

It all came down to those two battles. And yes, I think I had something like a +50% advantage on the high end. I'll write you back using email to chat it up.

As far as your strategies, I was going to ask you what you were using for your ships and fleet. I saw the same result, where your ships would choose targets far away.

I'm not an expert with ships and formations; but here's my guess: I think what was killing you was "Most damaged." Instead of choosing a close target, they went out of their way to fire at a damaged target packed behind a few ships.

For the second battle, you are right; not having ships in a fleet gave you that scattered problem which just made things worse.

I would highly recommend you try the combat simulator to see the results of different strategies. Most of the time, I narrow it down from finding out what doesn't work...

But I have been on the receiving end of butt kickings before, sometimes with little rationale. I do think there is a variable factor that sometimes helps produce lopsided battles. And at times, some unknown logic compels your ships to be piloted by "Capt. Spaz" and behave way differently than you would expect their strategies.

However, the Bottom line is: my fleets and ships were better trained, and I think the was the big factor.

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Defeat in 1.49 game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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Pablo fell a victim of the monster called "Random function". Though he had one more breatheble planet in his home system, the near-by systems were planetless.

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Nodachi and I are 60 turns in, and so far there have been two battles and a few skirmishes. My pickets have prevailed in both battles and he is more or less contained. I have yet to make a push on his home systems. All is calm now, but the storm clouds are clearly visible on the horizon.

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Yup, Thermo's got me boxed in and it ain't looking good! Not over yet, I've still got a couple of ideas, if I get the chance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um….Need to be quick about it. The dieing starts when you open your next turn.

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You got me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Thank you for a fun game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And just like that it is over! One glance at the Thermolian Hordes about to fall upon their home worlds, and the war is over.

Thanks for the game my friend. I suspect that you were not aware of how close we started. I was able to turn back both of your exploration fleets and then move to box you in. After that it was just a mater of time.

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Update on the game between Darkhorse and myself.

It is going slow. We play about 2 turns a day. We haven't be able to be on at the same time to get turns rolling so it's been slow. But we will finish up in due time.
But the current turn is 107. I'm still in first place and plan on staying there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I just took out a fleet of his at a warp point and I'm sure that hurt alot. As soon as repairs are made I will be continuing the charge into his territory.

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Zarix is absolutely schooling me on nonconventional warfare. Between the steady diet of drones he's been sending since we met on turn 9 (it's now turn 30), the mines he's sprinkled hither and yon (though I think the threat of mines is more potent than any actual minefields http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ), and now the ten (!) ship bombs he sprang on me Last turn.... I think he's built a grand total of one warship this whole game, and I still can't touch him! (I also think the handwriting is on the wall....)

Quikngruvn

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The man they call Primitive stands alone on the hill. His rusty (yet pointy) spear still gooey with blood from the mighty battle he fought with "The great block o' Cheeze".

On the ledge above him he can see a Finnish Hyena (?) who also will make good sport, but he can find no path to climb.

Patiently he sits down and wait for the "big Eye" to come and show him the way. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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K.O.T.H. Gecko (Space Sharks) vs Cheeze (United Flora)

Hmmm, carnivores against flora. I don't eat plants, so I guess I will just enslave your race for landscaping purposes. For example, your emperor might make a particularly fine topiary...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why thank you... but you're right it's only a matter of time until you surrender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo, is there a contender waiting? If so then I'll surrender to Gandalph.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why thank you... but you're right it's only a matter of time until you surrender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo, is there a contender waiting? If so then I'll surrender to Gandalph.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Take your next turn and we will see if I was capable of punching through those WP,s. If not, a new fleet with shields is on it's way.

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hey gand.... wanna game

I am moving up...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I bet that it didn't make a difference. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I bet that it didn't make a difference. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Probably not. I have come to the conclusion over the course of the Last few games that I pretty much suck. Doesn't seem to matter what I have for settings, or what I do for strategy.

Rabbie, Gandalph. Is your game over or not?

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What, you want more than the one we are playing?

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It's official, Rambie surrendered to me on turn 64. WOOHOO, Gandalph finally won a game of KOTH. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rambie, great game, could have gone either way on several occasions. You countered my attacks very well and I commend you. Thanks for a good game.

Geo, push me up the hill that I may be knocked down again.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then I guess we'd make a good game, since I don't seem to be much of a threat either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now that is the kind of game I love to hear about. Totally unconventional. Wow, how's this one going? Find a way to get to Zarix yet? Or is it hopeless?

Oh... and Gandalph...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif CONGRATS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
Way to go man!

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Hi Geoschmo,

Just checking out the KOTH League page, and I see the records section (win/loss/streak) is no longer there. Is this due to maintenance?

Or did I miss a discussion, or request to remove it?

I really liked that feature to check that out to see how people are doing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, there was no discussion. I arbitrarily removed it. I may put it back. I am trying to figure out some way to maintain the koth page that doesn't take so much manual effort. I was finding that I was falling behind on the page and it was causing me problems with keeping the games moving. So to make it easier on myself for the short term I pulled the standings since they don't really apply to the league anyway.

Geoschmo

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Ah... thanks for the update... and for your hard work, as always. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I imagine it's manual upkeep is a bit of a challenge. Hoping that you get help, or a really good idea.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Congratulations, Ragnarok. Your economy can support far more ships than mine can; the Last battle left me with exactly six. What little I had was bankrupting me already... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif It was enjoyable while it Lasted, though.

Good luck in the next round. As for me, I think I'll have to withdraw for the time being; it's been hard for me to keep up in a timely manner, and I don't want to hold anyone up longer than necessary. Good luck all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fear the Gharr, we'll be back!

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Darkhorse, I want to thank you for the great game. You had me worried many times that I would lose the game. Although I held 1st place from the start I was still scared.
When I first started pressing your systems your ships did enough damage to stop my fleet until I could get repair ships there. This allowed you to build that final fleet of yours, but alas, it wasn't enough.
Thanks again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geo, who is next for me? I believe Gandalph gets Tesco. So do I have to wait on a partner? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 25, 2003, 04:01: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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Hey Geo, any guesstimate when the KOTH page will be updated and new opponents assigned? Don't get in a big rush to do just because I'm asking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Just curious. I can totally understand that you are extreamly busy.

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Yeah, I need to get that updated. You don't have an opponent right now though. As soon as another game ends though.

Geo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, cool, thanks. That's all I needed to know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Yep, Geo, update the 149 page too when you have time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif